Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Blastom on August 19, 2013, 06:56:01 PM
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While its Wehrmacht brother blows the faces of infantry, the Ostheer misses a lot and :-X create very little crates.
I don't think he has a better anti-infantry capability than even StuG3 :o
It's quite confuse as everyone veteran player summons Tiger for the power to blast up half of a squad in one shot in the old days.
And our beloved Panzer IV has the same issue in Ostheer's hand as well.
Is it intended for balance? :D
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Ostheer doctrinal tanks are balanced for the anti tank role so they have limited anti infantry values.
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Yes. Ost Heer Tiger/Panzer IV/Panther use pzgranate39, while Wehrmacht Panzer IV and Tiger use HE shells. if you want AI use Kugelblitz or Panzer III.
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LOL, now that I've finished my thread regarding this topic i see someone has posted the same 12 hours ago.
And yes, Ostheer tanks are only anti armour, worse accuracy vs infantry than Wehr counterparts balanced with longer range, better penetration and damage against tanks (Panther is unchanged except veterancy I guess)
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;) I see. So T4 is using the same concept as T3 - Assault = Weak Anti-Inf -> Strong Anti-Armor ; Defense = Weak Anti-Armor -> Strong Anti-Inf.
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WELL the Stug is decent. It's not going to be as spammable in the next patch, but it will be pretty usable to fight tanks, at least T34's. Though the Stug 3 is better against infantry, yes.
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If you want PanzerIV and Tiger for Ostheer to be anti infantry, you need to get the command vet otherwise they cannot function well as that. The units for Ostheer is very specific where tanks are generally good as anti tank units, especially Panzer III and Panzer IV, while tanks that are good against infantry will be Kugelblitz and Luchs, and StuG III is in between.
And perhaps they are less efficient because they are not doctrine specific units like Wehr's Tigers do.
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Well Lord Rommel, it is good to know that this is the case. I know that the dev's time is very limited, but it would be super nice to have a detailed manual or something. I have raged very hard when playing with my brother because of the Tiger's now-understood lack of infantry-destroying capability. It makes perfect sense now, but knowledge makes all the difference.
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we can easilly adjust the littlw numbers which say how effective a unit is against things, you know thw little ones by the kill counts
i can take some time today to do that
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If stationary OH Tiger tank is OK in killing infantry.
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Wehrmacht has flak panzer as focused anti infantry but their PZ IV is good against infantry too. So it's not surprised if Ost is decent against infantry, well not's as good as WH PZ IV but should be better than WH Stugs.
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Thank you Mr. Robotnik.
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Wehrmacht has flak panzer as focused anti infantry but their PZ IV is good against infantry too. So it's not surprised if Ost is decent against infantry, well not's as good as WH PZ IV but should be better than WH Stugs.
To repeat myself once more: Ostheer Tiger, Panther and Pz IV use AP ammunition aka PzGranate 39/42. They do not use HE shells like Wehr Pz IV/Tiger I, so they're intended suck against infantry. For AI build Kugelblitz, Pz III with Flamer or StuG III or Luchs.
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As I tried to state in my last thread I think there is still room for improving Tiger's accuracy against infantry, I'd take the Panther and the IS 2 as examples, yeah, I know they aren't meant to be mirror units, but they take similar roles, I guess that a 50% acc (still halved when infantry is moving) should be ok to punish basic rifle infantry while still mobbed by anyone who can wield an AT measure.
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No. That's the drawback of having Tigers compared to Pz IV/Panther. Also one of the reasons why the Tiger I has no turret gunner either.
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Well, I understand the point since the Elite doctrine has already lots of goodies (Sturmpanzer IV, Jagers, several bonuses), just I find quiet weird the Tiger itself, that's it (one can dream :P).
BTW how is it going the Sturmtiger at the moment, is it going to fit the reward unit section or is it getting scrapped?
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sturmtiger will be a reward but not in the next patch
we will show something when everything is ready :P