Company of Heroes: Eastern Front

Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => General Discussion => Topic started by: bigbear948 on October 25, 2009, 10:10:48 AM

Title: Soviet Snipers
Post by: bigbear948 on October 25, 2009, 10:10:48 AM
I am a bit concerned that the soviet sniper team cannot cloak, this will put them at a huge disadvantage to German Snipers

In the guide it says " can ambush while in cover" does this mean they can cloak just like a normal wehr or US sniper but have to be in cover or does it mean they remain cloaked in cover until they fire the first shot like with Fallschirmjägers and Piat Ambush sappers ?   
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: GreenApple on October 25, 2009, 01:14:49 PM
The russians snipers are rather defensive as offensive therefore is the sniperace a sniperkillermachine.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Polkovnik_Petr on October 26, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Not to mention they can eventually call in precision artillery
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: xxredmaxx on October 26, 2009, 11:07:10 PM
Watch enemy at the gates. Russian snipers rule!
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: ford_prefect on October 26, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Watch enemy at the gates. Russian snipers rule!
yes that is a great idea! Lets get all of are info from one or two hollywood movies ;D
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 26, 2009, 11:58:02 PM
Technically, Enemy at the Gates isn't Hollywood, its British  ;D. And besides, vanilla CoH is riddled with film references.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: ford_prefect on October 27, 2009, 12:31:50 AM
Technically, Enemy at the Gates isn't Hollywood, its British  ;D. And besides, vanilla CoH is riddled with film references.
good god
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: groundfire on October 27, 2009, 04:19:04 AM
It will actually be rather fine im sure.

The normal soviet sniper consists of a sniper and a spotter, which means that there are 2 guys that must be counter sniped before the team is dead.

If the first one is sniped, you get the second one out of there asap.

Europe In Ruins: Reinforcements created a British Commando sniper team that works the exact same way and it is quite an absolute hell to counter them with snipers.

Ex. Sometimes the Wehr sniper snipes the observer, and then the second guy with the sniper rifle automatically countersnipes the decloaked wehr sniper.

Imo, so long as you got the second guy you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: xxredmaxx on October 29, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
Sorry if this has already been asked but what weapons will they have? Scoped Mosin Nangit or PTRS? I vote PTRS!
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: TrueSights on October 29, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked but what weapons will they have? Scoped Mosin Nangit or PTRS? I vote PTRS!

Depends when they are basing the units. And reallyk it should just be a Scoped Mosin Nagent because thats what most snipers would have been issued. Though it is fair to say later in the war (so maybe in the later period of the mod) they can have a PTRS, but i spose that would bring balancing issues, as a PTRS is highly powerful (literally one shot one kill, even if it isnt a torso shot) and has a much longer range, and from what i gather so far, the Red Army is already very powerful.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: luz777 on October 29, 2009, 04:37:06 PM
Hmm I think it'd be cool for the Sniper Ace to have a PTRS, although maybe he'd be a little too powerful with that kind of weapon...
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: xxredmaxx on October 29, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
It should be an upgrade, Because PTRS-41 where actualy anti tank weapons :0
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 29, 2009, 06:59:40 PM
In CoH, sniper rifles are one-hit-kill anyway.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: xxredmaxx on October 29, 2009, 07:03:43 PM
So whats your opinion on this Warty?
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Gew00n on October 29, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
i dont see the point to add a sniper upgrade, maybe the sniper can have more damage against vehicles with the upgrade, but with a antitankriflesquad an upgrade like this seems kinda overkill.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 29, 2009, 09:35:31 PM
I'm not allowed an opinion  :P
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on October 29, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Sniper Ace Will be killed by 1 sniper shot? maybe a well placed Artillery Round? or... motorbike?
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 29, 2009, 09:51:26 PM
Sniper Ace is resistant to sniper shots, like the Officer and Knights Cross Holders.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Voop_Bakon on October 29, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
So its like the CoD:WaW sniper fight, except the German is the ace

You only grazed him!! (German sergeant to his sniper)

 :P
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 29, 2009, 11:46:38 PM
Precisely   ;)
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Pvt.LHeureux on October 30, 2009, 05:19:26 AM
Don't you think that have the cloak ability will be a bit too abusive ^^ they already have the arty and they are 2, so I vote for them to be cloaked only when they are close to a cover, a bush, tree, etc.  ;)
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Voop_Bakon on October 30, 2009, 05:39:01 AM
Its a doctrine specific unit called a sniper ace. Why would it be worse than a regular sniper lol

Maybe the Tiger Ace should only have a 2cm cannon  :P
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 30, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
Ah, you are getting confused between the Sniper Ace and the Sharpshooters.

Sharpshooters: Tier 1 Buildable from Weapons Support, Cloak in cover and when stationary, sniper + observer, have very big LOS when stationary

Sniper Ace: Urban Combat Strategy unit, just like regular snipers, but kills all infantry in one shot, takes two sniper shots to kill, also have a variety of gadgets like grenades.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Voop_Bakon on October 30, 2009, 04:24:22 PM
Variety of Gadgets?  :o

Can we get some spoilers? 
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on October 30, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
Grenades, batarangs and stuff?  ::)

Incendiary grenades? Satchel Charge? Smoke Grenade? maybe...

The Sniper Ace Model will be whit Cloak? (Literally)

Like this pick? (:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.nachofoto.com/b-Enemy-At-The-Gates-M-4b6394aa8590.jpeg)

that would be nice, i mean, to recognize him and not confuse him w/ common sniper.

Sniper ace have a normal LOS or is bigger than common snipers?
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: BurroDiablo on October 30, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
rofl, have you been digging inside Warty's mind?
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: ford_prefect on October 30, 2009, 11:37:41 PM
rofl, have you been digging inside Warty's mind?
LOL
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 30, 2009, 11:49:10 PM
Wow that is creepy. It is almost a complete copy-paste of a post I made a few months back...
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on October 31, 2009, 02:00:20 AM
my bad  ??? ??? ???

now I'm confused :'( 


Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: BurroDiablo on October 31, 2009, 02:14:19 AM
Its not bad, its kind of what we had in mind for the Sniper Ace.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on October 31, 2009, 02:53:36 AM
nice!  :D.... Another question, off topic of course ): , maybe a stupid one  :-[

can we use Soviet Union/Ostheer in others mods?

Accord to this

Quote
EF is not going to harm your normal CoH in any way, you can still play it normally. Also, it does not overwrite any of the exisiting factions. It will add the new factions, and you can still play with the old ones as well.

so, playing others mods whit the new armys will be possible?

Pd. Maybe i respond myself with the underline part...  :-X

Cheers (:
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on October 31, 2009, 09:16:30 AM
It's definitely not recommended, and two mods which change the whole core of the game generally don't work together.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on October 31, 2009, 06:47:45 PM
Thanks for answer  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Loupblanc on November 08, 2009, 11:31:39 AM

 : The grenade used is a bangalore. It has V1 firepower
 yet has 105mm Howitzer range. Only with no cooldown.
 It also seeks and sticks to units when thrown. Changing
 course in mid-flight, when necessary :)

 Being soviet unit, it also has no cost.
 But he is special in that it has no cooldown either as well.
 
 No. tiger tank is fine with 8.8 cm gun.
 The sniper ace can hold his own against the ENTIRE
 german might :)

 He has the super man cape.
 He will grasp the tiger's 8.8cm cannon with his bare
 hands, lift it, and wield the Tiger as he would a mere
 club! (one-handed), that is.

 Aye. I do know the sniper ace is a bit underpowered
 currently, but they'Re looking into ways of making it
 more powerful, for things to be balanced.

 soviets, after all, did win the war.
 No, wait, the artillery did!


Post Merge: November 08, 2009, 11:32:54 AM

 It's 05h31AM, and I haven't slept yet.
 I may not do drugs, but this is just as bad, man.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: ford_prefect on November 08, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
I herd sleep is good for you these days ;D
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on November 08, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
I was playing the Tiger Ace Campaign and i found this...

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8692/relic00029h.jpg)

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5138/relic00030e.jpg)

This AT Rifle made a decent dmg to Staghound very similar dmg like Common Sniper Vs Motorbike / Jeep , maybe a Bit more... like double... anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_anti-tank_rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_anti-tank_rifle)

Quote
In service    1937 - 1943
Type    Anti-tank rifle
Place of origin     United Kingdom


Maybe this can be Re-Model to a PTRS, i thinks is very similar.

Boys AT Rifle

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bb/Boys_Mk_I_AT_Rifle.jpg/800px-Boys_Mk_I_AT_Rifle.jpg)

PTRS

(http://moscowbattle.narod.ru/photos/weapons/hand/ptrs1941.jpg)

I Hope this helps  :)

Pd: If the images are too big, i will edit and just put links if is annoying
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: WartyX on November 08, 2009, 09:27:55 PM
One step ahead of you   ;)
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Michael Wittman on November 08, 2009, 09:30:49 PM
so sad )':

Glad to know that!  ;)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Soviet Snipers
Post by: Loupblanc on November 09, 2009, 01:29:44 AM

 : Eh, yes, sleep is good :) I feel saner already :)
 : ! Oh god, those are gorgeous. Nice campaign
 Officer-AT-Sniper pic, lol. I... don't... want... this...
 to be Sniper Ace. Lol. But images are gorgeous :) Thx!
 : Any thoughts on adding burst 2-3 shot ability to
 sniper Ace? (As per the movie)(First time he killed).
 
 What other gadgets will he have? :)
 Laying mines while stealthed would be nice.
 (Like M8 Greyhound, but without breaking stealth)
 (But only 1, not like, a string of them).