Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Topic started by: Chancellor on January 04, 2010, 01:43:23 AM
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Not sure if it was really used during wartime, but if it was, poison gas should be a good ability for the Ostheer to counter the numerous Russians.
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I like the idea... it was certainly used, off the top of my head I remember hearing Gas was used by the Romanians to kill Partisans. Would make an awesome ability if possible.
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Well I found out in my research that Germany produced large ammounts of nerve gas but never, used them in neither western nor eastern fronts.
Any way, I think is interesting, dont mind if I use it in my concept?
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The only way that I think it would work is if you gave certain units in an area fire damage while remodeling it to look like gas of some sort.
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Personally I think it should work like an Axis strafe...the Axis have no real anti-blobbing ability, so maybe the Ostheer's gas should be it to have the faction actually add something to the Axis...PE was a joke. Hopefully no warning smoke but random results (although still mainly deadly? just like the strafe.
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mmm perhaps we have an alternate splution, during my research I found out that the gas was delivired via 105mm shells, 250kg and 150mm rockets. The head was loaded with tobun and sabin gas, what if we could use the flare animation of the artillery barrages or the decoy artillery attack of the commandos to create the gas attack?
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"the Axis have no real anti-blobbing"
LOL I can name like five off the top of my head :P
Machine guns
Bunkers
Flack cannons
Butterfly bombs
Arty
and good Infantry something the Allies are short of
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What is was suggesting was the artillery iniciates a barrage but instead of the explosive shells, warhead filled with sabin gas falls on the enemy.
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What is was suggesting was the artillery iniciates a barrage but instead of the explosive shells, warhead filled with sabin gas falls on the enemy.
I like it should cost a lot if it is gonna do a lot of pain
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Almost every Ostheer proposal is inluding the Lefh 18 as a doctrine unit, why not include a"Nerve Gas Barrage" as special ability to the Howitzer for the price of some ammo?
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To Ford
With the exception of flak cannon, theres nothing on that list that Allies don't have. In addition, all Axis call in artillery have warning smoke, while USA can call in a random 1 hit kill on your 2 snipers with no warning. If you are one of those noobs that don't know how to move when you see red smoke, then you shouldn't be talking here. The PE is a huge joke...the flakwirling is useless...unless you are noob (which at this point I really think you are), don't tell me you actually plan to build one of those things in the middle of the battlefield. Butterfly mines accomplish nothing that regular mines can't.
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ok here are some more
1.) hummel (that mofo packs a giant punch!)
2.) I dont know about you but I put my buterfly bombs on the map before they come loup has seen me do this)
3.) stuka arty
4.) stuka arty on halftrack
5.) stuka arty on hotchkiss (wait none of that arty has smoke! ??? that does not go with your reasoning ??? strange)
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Flakwirling / MG crews can be sniped, hummels/stukas can be hunted down, and any player worth his salt will upgrade a pio/engie with a mine detector after he runs into a mine. And ofc you plant the mines b4 they come...that wasn't my point about the butterflies. If you ask me they are even worse than regular mines. If I run into the first butterfly mine (which does very very little damage) once I just back off until I can use a vehicle to run the rest over (unlike regular mines, they don't even do engine damage) or mine detect the rest. And besides...PE shouldn't even be considered a relevant faction. The point is, all of Wehr's so-called anti-infantry elements have a hard counter. The AB strafe is almost unstoppable, unless you happen to go defensive, and just happen to have the cp to build 88s and the 88 just happens to get a lucky shot off, and the plane just happens not to have unleashed its load yet.
Edit: Stukas, Hummels, Nebels also make a sound when they fire. A decent player will move.
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"PE shouldn't even be considered a relevant faction"
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I would choose PE over Wher. ANY DAY why are they not a relevant faction were talking about the axis the PE have the best infantry in the game I took out 2 American Rifle squads with those beast. ok yeah EVERY THING can be hunted down in this game :P so you can't say that. ;D
Post Merge: January 04, 2010, 05:42:36 AM
have you ever ran 5 squads of US rifle men into a butterfly mine fied I would say 3 squads will make it through and if you have falsh at the other end their dead
Post Merge: January 04, 2010, 05:55:27 AM
"Edit: Stukas, Hummels, Nebels also make a sound when they fire. A decent player will move."
right cause they know where the stuka is gonna land ;D
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Sarin wasn't used by the Axis, they stockpiled it, but never used it. Tabun was made into Arty Shells and Ariel Bombs, but I can't find any info on how much was used. Mustard Gas was used in a few incidents against the Soviets and Poland too.
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I tried my self to find where and how were the chemical weapons used but I didnt have any luck. Most sites talk about Zyclon-B the concentration camp gas but none of them talk about chemicals attacks during War World II
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Apparently, the Axis didn't use Chemical weapons because they were afraid that if they used them, the Allies would retaliate with their own Chemical weapons. They stockpiled them anyway just in case it came to Chemical warfare and they could retaliate by the bucket load.
So Gas? Nuh uh... doesn't sound like it would be very accurate.
That said, I just found out the Germans unleashed a swarm of Malaria carrying Mosquitoes on Allied troops in Italy ;D
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Ugh, if anybody wants to go down the whole germ warfare path, have a look at Japans shining example in China :-[
Whilst were on the subject of different kinds of arty, I always thought Airburst shells would be a cool way of getting rid of infantry.
I'm sure I've seen it done in a mod before, can't find a video of it though. Anybody?
Cheers
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thats nice of you man
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Apparently the British , expecting ww1 style warfare from the start , had the largest stockpile and deadliest arsenal of chemical weapons.
I think they were only to be used in retaliation to chemical attack , explains why germans feared using their own chem weapons.
Also didnt Hitler almost die in ww1 from british gas? Might explain why he hated the thought of chem warfare or worried about british retaliation.
On an eastern front note , I heard a while ago that tulermia was spread by the soviets in 1941 or 1942 , I remember hearing they killed a lot of their own troops with it as a result. Someone confirm?
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He got shot too... German soldiers nicknamed him 'Screamer'
As for Tularemia, here's and excerpt from Pravda -
It goes without saying that secret services were conducting scientific researches of so-called “rat weapons.” The USSR used it during WWII against Friedrich von Paulus's army. The Soviet government did not risk to infect fascists with plague or ulcer – they chose tularemia. Rats spread the disease in German troops very quickly. The effect was astonishing: Paulus had to take a break in his offensive on Stalingrad. According to archive documents, about 50 percent of German prisoners, who were taken captive after the battle of Stalingrad, were suffering from classic symptoms of tularemia. Unfortunately, every action leads to a counteraction. The use of infected rats against the Nazi army had an inverse effect too: the disease came over the front line, and infected a lot of Soviet soldiers.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/14923_tularemia.html (http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/14923_tularemia.html)
So... Rat weapons for the Soviets? ;)
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ahaha nice , infected rat swarm ability ;)
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Sarin wasn't used by the Axis, they stockpiled it, but never used it. Tabun was made into Arty Shells and Ariel Bombs, but I can't find any info on how much was used. Mustard Gas was used in a few incidents against the Soviets and Poland too.
The only instances i have heard of poison gas being used was by the Germans at the seige of sevastopol, though this was from a single paragraph in one book that had no further details. Though is strange given that Hitler ordered under no circumstances was gas to be used. Towards the end of the war the Americans shipped in tonnes of gas in Italy and the ship carrying it was bombed whilst still docked in harbour (Bari I think). Needless to say the gas spread and killed hundreds, and the US in typical fashion denied all knowledge and said it was the Germans using gas, many decades later however the truth slipped out. Though because of the initial lies, many dont know any better and have read old books saying it was the Germans
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So Gas? Nuh uh... doesn't sound like it would be very accurate.
A far stronger case can be made for Germans using gas than the Soviets using phosphor rounds (which are for some reason in this mod but the rounds themselves were never used in any meaningful way).
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Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up.
Back on topic, while gas would be interesting, and besides the problem with whether or not if was actually used, we might end up having the same problem that came up with the SS. Dont know who all remembers, but there was a big debate on this forum about whether or not SS should be in the game and if the PE were the SS with some.
Chemical warfare is considered by some (including Hitler apparently) to be a low brow and dirty form of warfare. Personally, for me its just a game, and that was my opinion with the SS as well. Others aren't so easy to accept something like this.
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"Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up"
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I for one think it'd be interesting. I'd love to see soviet
anti-tank dog packs, though. Especially if they are hard
to control. Use a soft magnet around 'handlers' and dogs
having a tendency to run after any nearby tank... be they
friendly... or enemy ;) Then run handlers back to home, and
reinforce new dogs? :) (I know, I know... animations...)
But the gas, well, would be different from the eternal
mortar, flamestrike, HE strike, anti tank strike... As for
animations, come on. Mortar Smoke rounds!!! Just color
them green or something. Just perfect :)
Make economy run at 50% for awhile as penalty to make
cost steep, or something? :) Like KT/JP.
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Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up.
Back on topic, while gas would be interesting, and besides the problem with whether or not if was actually used, we might end up having the same problem that came up with the SS. Dont know who all remembers, but there was a big debate on this forum about whether or not SS should be in the game and if the PE were the SS with some.
Chemical warfare is considered by some (including Hitler apparently) to be a low brow and dirty form of warfare. Personally, for me its just a game, and that was my opinion with the SS as well. Others aren't so easy to accept something like this.
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If we decide that it should be in the game, a good way to do it would be as a mortar option insted of smoke shells. Mabey we could even use the same animation.
IT SHOULD NOT BE MADE TO AXIS STAFE. Many people dislike the ability so why would you want to make a copy of it?
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Because axis hate it being used against them, but allies
hate it's effect (too poor) and would LOVE the axis to have
it, as they feel it would nerf axis ;)
And you are not allowed to agree about the smoke mortar
shells effect as I was the one proposing it, thus voiding the
value of thus idea :)