Company of Heroes: Eastern Front

Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Balance Discussion => Topic started by: WhiteFlash on January 22, 2010, 09:12:31 PM

Title: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: WhiteFlash on January 22, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
PLEASE ADVISE, in its current state this mod is 100% broken with this strat

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?s=ef567550817a464d60ab56f7c0f3282b&showtopic=573363&st=160&p=6814549&#entry6814549 (http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?s=ef567550817a464d60ab56f7c0f3282b&showtopic=573363&st=160&p=6814549&#entry6814549)

begin fix asap thanks
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: groundfire on January 22, 2010, 09:27:24 PM
I know the axis in the first game personally. O4b is lvl14 1vs1 automatch, he's no push over

2vs1 and the 1 russian wins?

Devs, watch this game pls!
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: DestroAnt on January 22, 2010, 10:00:21 PM
I was one of those people in the second 2v1 game, although im not good at wehrmacht, the amount of infantry he pumped out were ridiculous (on both sides).  I just tried that tactic with one of my friends and we destroyed them....this needs to be fixed soon by either making the ingenerys weaker or lower the squad number. 
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: dbkblk on January 22, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
I have to admit that this replay is impressive. I didn't thought you could do that with engeneers.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Fallen on January 22, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
this is just ridiculous   :o
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: maccollo on January 22, 2010, 11:12:18 PM
Oh my good god...
That's like rifle spam and pio spam combined, on speed.
It's amazing that the soviet player had more units on the field than both axis players after like 30 seconds.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Nimitz on January 22, 2010, 11:33:40 PM
I know the axis in the first game personally. O4b is lvl14 1vs1 automatch, he's no push over

2vs1 and the 1 russian wins?

Devs, watch this game pls!
lvl14 is quite bad.

edit: well obviously it needs to be nerfed, on the otherhand the axis players played badly, more MGs and bikes would have done the job
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Saavedra on January 23, 2010, 12:06:11 AM
More MGs and Bikes? I don“t know about that, but I definitely think they could have done with less pios.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: groundfire on January 23, 2010, 12:25:23 AM
I know the axis in the first game personally. O4b is lvl14 1vs1 automatch, he's no push over

2vs1 and the 1 russian wins?

Devs, watch this game pls!
lvl14 is quite bad.


Way to sandbag nimitz.
We all cant meet your godly standards, but at least lvl14s have some concept of the game mechanics at a competitive level.

Oh and show up if you decide to play in a EIR tourney next time, instead of wasting my time waiting for you all weekend.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Nimitz on January 23, 2010, 12:54:28 AM
I know the axis in the first game personally. O4b is lvl14 1vs1 automatch, he's no push over

2vs1 and the 1 russian wins?

Devs, watch this game pls!
lvl14 is quite bad.


Way to sandbag nimitz.
We all cant meet your godly standards, but at least lvl14s have some concept of the game mechanics at a competitive level.

Oh and show up if you decide to play in a EIR tourney next time, instead of wasting my time waiting for you all weekend.
Yea because asking ppl about my xfire or just pm'ing me on GR is so hard.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Someone on January 23, 2010, 12:58:39 AM
You could give Ingenery an anti-spam ability similar to what Wehr Pioneers have, it helped to control pio-spam to an extent. But there are still other things to consider changing too.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: SquirrellyWrath on January 23, 2010, 03:33:59 AM
Ingenery should = unvetted pios ONLY while at a range... too close and they get nuked. 
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Shadowmetroid on January 23, 2010, 04:33:39 AM
I watched both replays and good God! I'm sorry, but Ingenery need a nerf...
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: BlackMensa on January 23, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
if you think ingenery need a nerf then you never watch sturmory ingenerey raping a base on it own, while ignoring 2 flakvierlings shooting on them :D
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: seq13 on January 23, 2010, 01:04:39 PM
so how the fuck does this got allowed after you've been playing beta tests?
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: ElitistJerk on January 23, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
black is the only sane beta tester. I have seen him say in quite a few post that he brought up balance concerns but they were ignored by the devs. Makes you wonder if Relic is really as bad as we think they are when compared to Devs that dont even listen to their beta testers.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Copernicus on January 23, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
Well, we've got a new Mod Lead so we might do better at balancing now.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: BlackMensa on January 23, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
i stoped playing the beta, because i felt that any hints i gave them weren't used at all.

Besides all the stuff which is sad, it still is an awesome mod. The basics are done and changing the stats isn't so hard. Let them patch it and be nice. Don't rant. they did a great job.

This is not a company. They do this on their spare time.

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so how the fuck does this got allowed after you've been playing beta tests?
I think there were some men who decided whats going on there. ask them, i don't know the "bosses". Perhaps ask apex. I thought he is something like the leaddesigner.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: Copernicus on January 23, 2010, 08:09:42 PM
There is no Apex anymore, take a look at the Team Page.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: ElitistJerk on January 23, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
I love the effort they put into it, something are just baffalling balancing designing decisions tho, which probably has to do with Apex.
Title: Re: PLEASE ADVISE, this makes russians broken and op chek replay
Post by: o4b on January 24, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
I know the axis in the first game personally. O4b is lvl14 1vs1 automatch, he's no push over

2vs1 and the 1 russian wins?

Devs, watch this game pls!
lvl14 is quite bad.

edit: well obviously it needs to be nerfed, on the otherhand the axis players played badly, more MGs and bikes would have done the job

If level 14 is bad, what are levels 1-13, where most people play at? Anyways, if you were that amazing you would know that bikes are inherently poor vs. large squads (8 man squads), and the relative ease that the Soviet player can get PTRD squads (they 2 shot bikes). Finally, while our play wasn't that great here, I don't think anyone will play their best game in a 2v1...