Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Balance Discussion => Topic started by: SexyUnderwaterAction on February 02, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
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I understand that changes are still being made to the soviets and they are more of a work in progress as of now, but I am simply annoyed by how childish people can get, especially mid-noobish players who simply can't adapt to new circumstances so they completely dismiss the soviets and switch to axis because of fear of losing some games.
When the soviets came out and were completely and undeniably overpowered everyone whored them, and now that they are a little bit harder to play and casualties will actually impact the game more and more people are playing axis or giving up on EF as a whole.
So why do you need to win so badly? does it make your E-peen grow? Try them out, lose some games, figure out what they lack and what they have in ridiculous ammounts, get some skills with the new faction and recognize that everything isn't OP or UP, people simply outplay you. We didn't all learn how to play wehrmacht and american overnight.
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Holy shit! I like this guy... well said
+1
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actually when i started playing that mod i was very surprised that it was easier to win for me with a complete new different faction than with the old ones, which i played since 09.2006
people should expect some loses until they figured out some strategies for a different faction
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well that is because then people didn't know how to counter the Soviets... now they do and people who dominated the Russian faction are now at a loss as to what to do because their unstoppable faction can be beat now in a balanced game
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Holy shit! I like this guy... well said
+1
+1.
really well said, everybody should think like you (or we) do.
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This post has Dev approval ;D
I do see people playing from the Soviet perspective though saying 'This is OP!' about their own units, so it's not always due to people losing.
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Wheyy, a good old fashioned level headed sensible post, oh how I've been missing these ;D
Completely agree with this, although theres also a lot of
"I've played CoH since I was in the womb and am level 456007 so how come some level 9 noobs beat me!? Its YOUR fault, definately not mine, no, no, how could it be?"
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+1
Think of it as chess. Some people want Soviets to be all
Queens. So that they can kick butt without effort. It's a
human thing, and I understand it completely.
Once it's purrfectly calibrated either way, then I am fine
with people being their regular retarded selves - soviet op!
- Axis op! ... As long as we're talking white/black sides of
chess. Cmon. In chess it's retarded to say one side is
OP compared to other. Same with pong :)
I am happy. Deeply happy. That EF devs take to heart
the meaning of the word BALANCE :)
Although what we see shows that initial beta testing
was mostly ignored... and what we are doing NOW is
basically the balancing that ought to have been done in
the first place ;) But, oh well ;)
On a side note... eh, I'd like if something could be done
with the IA... Although yea, smarter IA is nice, when I
just want to TEST something stupidly, it's nice when I
don't have to concentrate on staying alive against EASY
comp :)
Yea, solution is to play a friend who plays along, and
nicely goes out to lunch or something as I try things out,
but still...
... And IS2 should be unlocked with T34/85 upgrade.
And THEN still have another upgrade for it's gun culass.
*Early IS2 had really slow reload times* THEN uber IS2
would be okay.
OH! Reward Units. Make KV1 replace IS2 and not T34 plz :)
How about an upgrade that unlocks IS2/T3485/SU100
simulteanously for, say, 400 muni? :)
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+1
Think of it as chess. Some people want Soviets to be all
Queens. So that they can kick butt without effort. It's a
human thing, and I understand it completely.
Once it's purrfectly calibrated either way, then I am fine
with people being their regular retarded selves - soviet op!
- Axis op! ... As long as we're talking white/black sides of
chess. Cmon. In chess it's retarded to say one side is
OP compared to other. Same with pong :)
I'm pretty sure white is op :P not because of stronger pieces, but because of easier playability. White, as the allied in Coh have the initiative and are the ones setting the pace thus they usually end up having the best and earliest impact units. Wehr are reactive, thus much harder to play, as for much of the game you are preventing the opponent from flanking you instead of making decisive advantages yourself. OF just skewed the chess comparative into harder to analyze variables since now there's many playable combinations.
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I sorta-kinda agree with this post. Yes, people need to stop complaining about stupid crap, but with the release of the recent patches it does seem the Soviets have been nerfed to a certain extent. People have a comfort zone when playing games... For instance, many enjoyed spamming Ingenery at the start of a match, now it seems like they take forever to build.
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Good lord, i think i may have found the most common sense on these forums in a long time. At first i couldn't play against soviets, but now i am having no (minimal) issues.
And i dont remember who said it, but the AI does need to be toned down a bit. I used to face easy comp to test things, but now i have to constantly focus to try and stand a chance against them.
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And i dont remember who said it, but the AI does need to be toned down a bit. I used to face easy comp to test things, but now i have to constantly focus to try and stand a chance against them.
The AI is ok, if you want to test things pick a map with high resource points and bridges (the less the better) and block or blow them up.
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what do soviets have to blow bridges? i still havn't figured it out
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And i dont remember who said it, but the AI does need to be toned down a bit. I used to face easy comp to test things, but now i have to constantly focus to try and stand a chance against them.
The AI is ok, if you want to test things pick a map with high resource points and bridges (the less the better) and block or blow them up.
if you want to test things please do not use the AI
grab a buddy and test something playing him
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what do soviets have to blow bridges? i still havn't figured it out
Have you tried the Artillery yet?
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its powerful... when it hits :-\
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Foir me personally, I am quite relaxed when playing the Soviets. You don't have recorded stats so you can be as carefree with them as you like. People need to realize this.
Normally, I don't care about stats on a personal level. But there are people who will try to discredit you in balance discussions if you have bad stats. I don't have to worry about that with the Soviets so I'm happy to play them against any odds.
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i havn't tried the arty because it is sooo darn inaccurate, plus it costs to much to blow up one bridge. kindof wish the igenery had demo charges instead of satchel. Patrisans can have satchel instead