Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Topic started by: TheConqueror on February 09, 2010, 06:53:08 PM
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First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.
There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .
Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
*As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
*Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
*They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
*Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
*Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.
These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...
I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/ (http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/)
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YES!!!
Japonia will bring allot of exotic/fresh air in Eastern Front.
Many times i get answer like=we don't want this because is not historical accurate
With another occasions answer is=>but this mod is not meant to be historical accurate.
What i can believe?
I believe is no direction marked clear for this mod,and answers are given in a second,depending what that person think/feel in that moment.
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Again I don't see the logic of including what is a major Sea + Air WW2 powerhouse (Japan) to a land battle based game.
Italy would make more sense (not for location but for weapon variety)
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Ostheer is certain, japan is not happening. That is what the Pacific Thunder mod is for
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Many times i get answer like=we don't want this because is not historical accurate
With another occasions answer is=>but this mod is not meant to be historical accurate.
It seems that some people don't understand the difference between pure fantasy and creative license. Japan in Europe is a no-no.
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Many times i get answer like=we don't want this because is not historical accurate
With another occasions answer is=>but this mod is not meant to be historical accurate.
It seems that some people don't understand the difference between pure fantasy and creative license. Japan in Europe is a no-no.
Thank YOU. NO JAPANESE ON EASTERN FRONT
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Many times i get answer like=we don't want this because is not historical accurate
With another occasions answer is=>but this mod is not meant to be historical accurate.
It seems that some people don't understand the difference between pure fantasy and creative license. Japan in Europe is a no-no.
Thank YOU. NO JAPANESE ON EASTERN FRONT
+1.
No far eastern front on the eastern front..!
we want to kick real nazi asses not crazy kamikaze ppl.'s little hairy one's.
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The same way the Opposing Fronts expansion brought a very specific part of the Wehrmacht (the Kampfgruppes), the Eastern Front expansion could bring something specific.
I vote for SS units. And to soothe the butthurt, I suggest having the player handle the "good" SS as they race to stop the "bad" SS from committing war crimes. Or that could be a subplot for the last missions, or something.
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SS will be incorporated in the same way as Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite. They won't specifically be called 'SS', but certain units' uniforms and loadout will indicate this.
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Just out of curiosity how come they won't be called the SS?? I understand they where brutal but they where also very tough soldiers to beat. People have to stop beating around the bush regarding the SS they where in the war so have them in the game... For example, the 2nd SS panzer infantry had the most decorations on the eastern front (not sure about the whole german army though) and I don't understand why they aren't incorporated
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Relic didn't call Riflemen 'US Army Riflemen', and they didn't call Stormtroopers 'SS Stormtroopers'. There is no reason to call our elite troops the SS, just to prove that we can write 'SS' in our game.
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Well, Panzer Elite is already taken, so... Heavy Tank Battalion? Lots of KTs and Panthers?
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Relic didn't call Riflemen 'US Army Riflemen', and they didn't call Stormtroopers 'SS Stormtroopers'. There is no reason to call our elite troops the SS, just to prove that we can write 'SS' in our game.
Ah ok just curious
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good to hear that
that was the solution i hoped for
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if you want to make a japanese faction go help the people already trying to make one. If you are wondering were to search just go to www.moddb.com (http://www.moddb.com) and type in at the search log company of heroes opposing fronts then click on the mods tab and you will see it. Once agian this a eastern front mod not a Japanese mod.
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In theory there is nothing wrong with having Japanese in Russia as long as they don't fight along side the Germans. The reasoning for this is that throughout the war and at before the war there was alot of "border wars" between japan and russia also at the very end Russia invaded japanese held territories. So the idea of No Japanese in Russia is well dumb but this mod teams goal is to create faction representing the titanic struggle between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
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Is it illegal in certain countries to have an "SS" faction? Like the illegality of the swastika?
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If so, then I understand why. If not, why not an SS faction? Many differences in supply and priorities were given them - much like the Grossdeutschland (yet another possible faction).
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it is illegal especially in germany and poland
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Hi folks, 1st post on this forum.
My idea for a new faction on the axis side would be a "international" faction. It would be composed of units from germany and its allies/occupied territories. Finnish, romanian, italian, voluenteers from scandinavia, france etc.. There is a loot to take fram here i would say. Maybe a bit unrealisto have them all jammed together in one army... but it could ve great fun!
ah.. dreams ::)
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If someone makes a Japanese fraction that dosnt modify the original game Ill play it. :)
The real problem with the japanese is that most of their army (not navy, airforce) weapons were obsolete.
Every fraction has:
-medium tanks
-doctrinal heavy tanks
-infantry AT weapons
-fanatic infantry - you can make any infantry squad fight to the last man.
Germans even have suicide goliaths.
There is no way to create a balanced COH fraction based only on artillery, banzai and suicide attacks.
Even the defensive British have tanks and PIATs.
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i think that's not a problem
the Japanese had standard weapons like pistols, rifles, submachine guns, light Mg's, heavy Mg's
they got anti tank weapons and not only AT guns but Type 97 20mm AT Rifle which could be light AT on armored vehicles or light tanks and later (as in real the japs get that weapon later)
Type 4 70 mm AT Rocket Launcher
they got light and medium tanks even Brits don't have any really heavy tanks British Sherman is good but not as Panther, Tiger or K Tiger so i don't see any problem of balance at Japanese side... ;)
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they got light and medium tanks even Brits don't have any really heavy tanks British Sherman is good but not as Panther, Tiger or K Tiger so i don't see any problem of balance at Japanese side... ;)
the thing is...brits dont have heavy tanks because they are about artillery and defenses
the japaneses strong points were naval and air warfare, thats kinda hard to implement in a small scale game like COH, and if you changed them a lot so they can fit in the game, you may as well use other countries from Europe
at least in my opinion
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your kinda right. That would be very hard. But having doctines like this would just rock hell:
Venoxxis Proundly presents the almighty:
(just a few minutes of work so dont expect something special xD)
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4715/japansekamikazexd.png) Kamikaze Doctrine xD
We even aim tanks!
:) ;D
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i think that's not a problem
the Japanese had standard weapons like pistols, rifles, submachine guns, light Mg's, heavy Mg's
they got anti tank weapons and not only AT guns but Type 97 20mm AT Rifle which could be light AT on armored vehicles or light tanks and later (as in real the japs get that weapon later)
Type 4 70 mm AT Rocket Launcher
they got light and medium tanks even Brits don't have any really heavy tanks British Sherman is good but not as Panther, Tiger or K Tiger so i don't see any problem of balance at Japanese side... ;)
Japanese dont have Churchills and Fireflies.
Nor they have a Pershing, long barrel guns for their tanks and allied war machine.
Infantry Kamikaze docrine.
Tank Kamikaze docrine.
Airforce Kamikaze docrine.
Is something wrong with these doctrines? :D
The fact is that in 1944 japanese were only good at jungle and mountain warfare. At open planes they sucked. Quick soviet capture of manjuria proofs it.
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yes but that was problem not in equipment but they wasn't trained good, they really was using swords and jumping out of bushes but that was usable maybe in 17 century but not in WW2 its similar to Italians which had normal weapons but their warn strategy wasn't good the same Japanese i just mean that theres no problem to make balanced Japanese faction from the armament which Japanese had
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...theres no problem to make balanced Japanese faction from the armament which Japanese had
I agree with that, even for Italians and for Japanese it could be done. Since they lack some equipment (like heavy tanks) it could be balanced with other abilities - f.e. Japanese inf.can't be suppresed, or they could have ability to dig underground tunnels connecting some points of battlefield...
@Venoxxis: lol you killing me mate, nice artwork. You forgot to add however- Left side: Bushido codex, Right side: Desperate measures :)
Anyway to this topic: Italians or Japanese would be great but not for Eastern Front IMO, when someone says Eastern Front everybody knows it means Russian vs Germans. But it could be inspiration for other gifted modders to make mods of CoH: Afrika campaign or Pacific battlefield...
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yes but that was problem not in equipment but they wasn't trained good, they really was using swords and jumping out of bushes but that was usable maybe in 17 century but not in WW2 its similar to Italians which had normal weapons but their warn strategy wasn't good the same Japanese i just mean that theres no problem to make balanced Japanese faction from the armament which Japanese had
I agree about the strategy, but
Both Italians and Japanese had bad tanks, old rifles, underpowered AT equipment. SMGs were rare, ammunition was not as standarided (different bullets for different smallarms) as in Germany/Allied superpowers.
Both of these armies could defend in rough terrain but had little offensive capabilities on the open ground.
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Can the Ostheer retreat???
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Why not to Japanese army?IMHO it's good even GREAT idea.Doctrines are especially interesting and thought to start with.What if they didn't have heavy tanks?British army also did not.
It doesn't need to be 100% historical accurate,but I wouldn't see IS-3 in Red Army anyway...It's just matter to feel balance (also balance the mod) between fiction and facts.
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I would simply make three doctrines:
Desperate Measures
Last Stand
Yamato
First one would be about self-destructive tactics like kamikaze airplanes, men with bombs attached to their bodies as special anti-infantry (something like a demo charge), men with Anti-tank charges at the end of poles (Teller mine level of lethality), and cloaked kamikaze soldiers with frag-grenade power. Japanese officers could use Heroic Charge.
Last Stand would be the opposite. Defensive emplacements, special artillery and munitions like AP rounds for HMGs, cloakable AT weapons and buried tank turrets, long-ranged mortars. All about crushing the enemy with overwhelming firepower after luring him into ambushes.
Yamato would rely on massive use of manpower and off-maps. The power of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Things like different extra-supplies abilities (pay in manpower, fuel or munitions to receive extra income on the other ones), off-maps in the form of light salvos from DDs, heavy salvos from BBs, and a super-barrage from a Dreadnought Battleship (Yamato or Musashi). Recon airplanes, strafings, bombings.
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I would simply make three doctrines:
Desperate Measures
Last Stand
Yamato
First one would be about self-destructive tactics like kamikaze airplanes, men with bombs attached to their bodies as special anti-infantry (something like a demo charge), men with Anti-tank charges at the end of poles (Teller mine level of lethality), and cloaked kamikaze soldiers with frag-grenade power. Japanese officers could use Heroic Charge.
Last Stand would be the opposite. Defensive emplacements, special artillery and munitions like AP rounds for HMGs, cloakable AT weapons and buried tank turrets, long-ranged mortars. All about crushing the enemy with overwhelming firepower after luring him into ambushes.
Yamato would rely on massive use of manpower and off-maps. The power of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Things like different extra-supplies abilities (pay in manpower, fuel or munitions to receive extra income on the other ones), off-maps in the form of light salvos from DDs, heavy salvos from BBs, and a super-barrage from a Dreadnought Battleship (Yamato or Musashi). Recon airplanes, strafings, bombings.
+1
Sounds interesting.
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+1 from me also. ;)
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I also agree Japanese would be an additional faction I'd be keen to see in CoH, and some of the suggestions above for doctrines sound sensational (so that's my +1) but I also agree with the other posters that Eastern Front is not the mod where the Japanese should be included. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the Ostheer, therefore keeping this mod a self-contained European Eastern Front mod.
Thanks to MG4242 for pointing out the Pacific Thunder mod. That made good reading, and I've turned on tracking to see what comes out of that.
(It's at http://www.moddb.com/mods/pacific-thunder (http://www.moddb.com/mods/pacific-thunder) if you're also keen for a read)
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I think Japan is a good choice, however i think russia needs an enemy they fought. Japan fought in the pacific and italy in the mediterranean. Why not the Finnish army, an elite army whose whole involvement in the war was to fight the russians. the russians and finns hated eachother and had many famous battles against eachother in the winter war in ww2, or at least the ostheer with finnish command tree, having finnish heavy infantry as a call in, with the use of camoflage and finnish engineers who are able to repair destroyed vehicles and make them their own, a famous thing they did to the russians in the famous battle of suomussalmi. It would just seem wrong to not involve the finns at this time
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If we have the Japs, we cant put the any Coh fraction in battle with it. Not even the U.S.A. We will have to make a new type of army with will be named the "Maines" or something. So its twice the work.
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Why not the Finnish army, an elite army whose whole involvement in the war was to fight the russians.
Given the number of fanboys streaming into this mod to specifically ask for Finnish troops, I am pretty damn sure they will be featured. Unless the devs decide they´ve had enough with the nationalisms and don´t include them, Romanians or anyone else out of spite.
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Just wanted to say +1 to the Japanese instead of the Ostheer.
The game already has 2 german factions while "Eastern Front" adding the Soviet and the Japanese would sound perfect in my opinion.
I don't mind if the Japanese never walked on Berlin ground or if the Map Editor can't create sand and palm trees, it's a game and I would love to have the Japanese included for any use, whatever it is.
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i'll just point out ;)
The Dev's are already working on the Ostheer.
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If you want japan, try the Pacific Thunder mod....it ain't gonna come from us ;D
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If anybody is going to add a Japanese faction its some reminder:
- The Japanese DO NOT have armor power thats even close to the Allies/ Soviets. Their mainstay Type 97 medium tanks can't even penetrate the rear armor of M3 Stuarts. (and in some case it was beat by AP bullets of Panzer 1 used by the Chinese) Yes they do have some better tank, namely the Type 3 design in 1944, but they never saw combat and their quality is just barely on par with Panzer 3. What I am trying to say is the Japanese would have a very hard time in a armor-oriented game like COH
- The O-1 super heavy tank is practically non-existent in history, which mean the Jap would not have heavy armor to support them while all other faction did
BTW I'm currently thinking of a mod on the Chinese battlefield. Probably I can borrow some idea from here
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They have!!!
Chi-To (2-5 tanks)
Chi-Nu (60-166 tanks, =Sherman as I think)
and they have Self-propelled artillery!!!
Yes, they didn't see combats, but many people tell me that realism is not important for the Red Army, so why is it important for the Japanese?
O-I (heavy tank) was built in 1944 and afterward sent to Manchuria (but it is probably a legend). Other tank - the "Ultra-Heavy Tank OI" was not built.
And what is about Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha? Type 97 wasn't so bad.
I think Japan is a good choice, however i think Russia needs an enemy they fought.
The Soviet–Japanese War (1945) was a part of the WWII
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They have!!!
Chi-To (2-5 tanks)
Chi-Nu (60-166 tanks, =Sherman as I think)
and they have Self-propelled artillery!!!
Yes, they didn't see combats, but many people tell me that realism is not important for the Red Army, so why is it important for the Japanese?
O-I (heavy tank) was built in 1944 and afterward sent to Manchuria (but it is probably a legend). Other tank - the "Ultra-Heavy Tank OI" was not built.
And what about Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha? Type 97 wasn't so bad.
I don't think to add in a tank that have no combat record or only have barely two or five produced is a good idea
The reason that I said Japanese tanks are gravely inferior to Allies armors are that:
1. Chi-Nu and Chi-To were made in soft iron--yes, SOFT IRON. Toward the end of war the Japanese was in such shortage of material that they can't find enough resource to produce early-war-grade armor. Therefore the armor of Chi-Nu is just barely on-par with, say, Panzer 1.
2. Japanese guns are too weak. Their tank guns were not on par with even per-war tanks. One reason was that their steel production was not advanced enough to produce decent AP-shells. (They didn't even have APC shell) Mostly their AP shells end up shattered upon contact with enemy armor. See this comparison: (source: http://www.luzinde.com/meisaku/tanks/chi-ha.html (http://www.luzinde.com/meisaku/tanks/chi-ha.html))
(http://i.imagehost.org/0696/tankapcomparsion.jpg)
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Let's vote! :D
"What third axis faction you would like to see":
Finns
Italians
Romanians
Japanese
Ostheer
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HEY DEVZ CAN U PLZ STOP MAKIN OSTHEER PLZ I WANTZ JAPANEEZ
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Let's vote! :D
"What third axis faction you would like to see":
Finns
Italians
Romanians
Japanese
Ostheer
Ostheer
This is not All WW2 faction mod this is EASTERN FRONT mod.
Based on Eastern front in Europe not Eastern Asia :D :D :D
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This is the eastern front mod.
Out of a scientifical view the japanese-soviet war was no battle of the eastren front.
The topic eastern front means germany and axis and soviets.
Everything else isnt eastern front.
So out of my view: NO JAPS.
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They world is east. If you start in New York City and go east, you go to London, then Berlin, Moscow,Tokyo, San Fracsioco, And back to New York. These are directions, not places.
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What about Chicago ?? You left out Chicago !! How could you -.-
Don't ignore Matthesien , and Starved Rock either!
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Anyway, theres no place of east. Theres no place of west, North, or south.
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pfft , there is a place of Mideast , Starved Rock , Utica , IL !
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For the USSR the Eastern Front was the Western Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_%28Soviet_Union%29). And Japs were on the Far Eastern Front
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Hey those who have ideas for Japanese are also welcomed to left suggestion here
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0 (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0)
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Let's vote! :D
"What third axis faction you would like to see":
Finns
Italians
Romanians
Japanese
Ostheer
Ostheer
This is not All WW2 faction mod this is EASTERN FRONT mod.
Based on Eastern front in Europe not Eastern Asia :D :D :D
+1
Ostheer
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Ostheer with mixed national units I think.
If everyone wants to complain why don't the devs have us make a unit from a nation , and than turn it into a mod thats compatible with EF ,
so one person could get on Corsaix and rename and reskin some volks and call them Finnish Jager troops ;) I did actually do that but for some reason I can't play Coh with them in it :d I screwed up somewhere , but where.....
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What about Bulgaria?
also: Some of the following are Minor Participants
Italy(axis),France,Greece,Yugoslavia,Hungary(axis),Croatia(axis),Slovakia(axis),Vichy France(axis),Belgium,Netherlands,Albania(axis,under Italian control),Poland
so?
I dont know if you choosed cause i just registered
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Xristos this is exactly what we are talking about. As soon as the post starts: Bulgaria and the "following were minor participants" thing is just plain wrong cause one can say such about Bulgaria.
We don't have the place for everyone's nation. If we have to choose a nation we have to choose the one that (literally) contributed the most to the Germans battles throught the ENTIRE Eastern Front (so sorry Finland fans if we have those guys it would only be in an Army Group North based doctrine) I would think that the more obvious choice would be the Italians or perhaps the Hungarians. Anyway, i'm sure the Devs have already chosen their foreign troops. So lets just let this foreign units thing rest in pieces.
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I haev an Idea!!!
What if the Developers made one unit that is upgraded to represent an area, something like this
Foreign support
-4 man squad of Germany's allies,
-100 mp 5 pop
-no starting weapons
Upgrades:
Scandanavian sharpshooters-200mp-10Mu : your foreign support troops are from the northern regions and are skilled in long range combat
-Armed with 1 G43 , 3 scoped K98's
etc, OR it could be an upgrade that is bought to apply to all of one unit. Say the secondary unit building for example , it could have the foreign units from above but have the upgrades fr said unit be like the NKVD upgrade for conscripts, It would change them to represent an area whithout giving precise names.
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I think that is a passable idea, although I´d make it in a different way.
Make Romanians the basic Foreign Support squad. Then, buy an upgrade in the building you produce them from to make a different nation´s squad. You can either keep the Romanians to use as basic/cannon fodder units, or buy the Finnish upgrade to make sharpshooter squads (four guys with slightly different skins and other weapons), etc...
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Romanians as a cannon fodder ?
:)) It seems you know nothing about romanian mountain hunters.They managed to break russian defense where germans failed many times.
The germans was good but too arrogant.When romanians told them about some defensive problems,germans has ignored the signals,and later events has proved to be true what was predicted.
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Or make in every doctrine one special unit.
Doctrine X - allows you to produce Romanians
Doctrine Y - allows you to produce Finns
Doctrine Z - allows you to produce Hungarians
.... or other nationalities. In this way we can eat cake and have cake ;D
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It was already stated that this aint gonna happen, like the "SS named" unit.
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you guys need to wake up.
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Japenese will not be a fraction for Easternfront as far as we know! If you want to talk about crap, go to off topic. Otherwise, posting will be unnessaly.
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There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?
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There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?
Ostheer won't be entirely made from german allies but germany, perhaps they will include a support squad to fit that, but to build an almost entirely faction(or tiers) with non-germany units, i think that's a little too far from the raison d'être of the concept that EF's devs have been planned.
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There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?
Ostheer won't be entirely made from german allies but germany, perhaps they will include a support squad to fit that, but to build an almost entirely faction(or tiers) with non-germany units, i think that's a little too far from the raison d'être of the concept that EF's devs have been planned.
I knew that, but technically Ostheer will be the new faction.
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Am sorry it was a typeo, but I fixed it :)
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I find it funny that the Devs are probably well under way with the Ostheer and people are still trying to change the whole damn thing...
People need to calm down: the Ostheer's going to be another German faction, but it will probably include some foreign units as doctrine call-ins or something.
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And there with be no japs fraction, end of topic.
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And there with be no japs fraction, end of topic.
+1.5
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The Japs are for PT , not EF .
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I said End of Topic!
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in before lock?
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It seems that some people don't understand the difference between pure fantasy and creative license. Japan in Europe is a no-no.
End of Discussion
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First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.
There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .
Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
*As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
*Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
*They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
*Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
*Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.
These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...
I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/ (http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/)
Hungary would Make More Sense
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Yes ;) ::) ;D
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First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.
There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .
Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
*As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
*Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
*They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
*Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
*Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.
These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...
I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/ (http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/)
Hungary would Make More Sense
Or even Italy, Romania or Finland. Japan is too-far-east for the Eastern Front.
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First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.
There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .
Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
*As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
*Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
*They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
*Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
*Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.
These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...
I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/ (http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/)
Hungary would Make More Sense
Or even Italy, Romania or Finland. Japan is too-far-east for the Eastern Front.
Jesus Christ, not again ::)...the Devs have already decided on this issue a long time ago...putting one specific nation into the Ostheer at the expense of all the others would only invite more conflicts. Like in vCOH, an ambiguously-named unit instead of a completely new faction would be better for everyone and would keep things less complicated. In fact, did the Canadians, New Zealanders, and Australians complain when the British/Commonwealth faction was introduced? Nein. ::)
Still want Polish/Finnish/Spanish/Scandinavian/Swiss/French/Hungarian/Bulgarian/Italian/Ukrainian/Latvian/Rumanian/White Russian etc. formations in the Ostheer? Instead of making 10 or more "national factions" (omg >:(), just make a single unit-type and call them Waffen-Grenadiers. You can then assume any number of nationalities to your hearts' desires. And yes, before you all say "WRONG!!", Waffen-Grenadiers actually existed...in the Waffen-SS and the Volunteer Legions. So those of you who are also SS-fanboys should stop crying and push for this idea instead. ;)
For those "special cases" who keep pushing for the inclusion of the Japanese into the Ostheer, please go help Moknin out with making his Chinese Mod (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0 (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0)) instead. Cheers
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And as werewolf said and I did for a thousand times:
End of topic!
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And who are you to decide this?
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And who are you to decide this?
He isnt deciding something. He is noticing that the debate is closed. No japs, no others axis country like Finland, Romania or Hungary. Only Ostheer, with, perhaps, a universal foreign unit (Waffen-grenadier is a good idea).
And lets be honest, play with germans is much more fun than playing with puppet states of the Reich.
Japs will be release with Pacific Thunder. Thats all! Nothing more!
I said End of Topic!
+1
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And as werewolf said and I did for a thousand times:
End of topic!
+1001 , can someone lock this now please.
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When thread creator say "close" - i will close.
When u start a spam/flame war - i will close.
When u write to much off topic - i will close.
When u want to finish the topic - dont write here anymore ;)
4 options; chose one ^^
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And who are you to decide this?
I can't imagine Seeme as Moderator :P.
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Ok guys we gotta go untopic.
So, arent those roo waaaay to overpowered?
Dang pe, way to op op!!! Darn! Darn! Darn!
When will the obsteer be out?
Lets get some finnsh as a fraction. Come on!
Is that good enough?
And black, I'll be a fine modder.
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Seeme you just spammed off topic, thus making you an invalid cantidate for moderator.
And I think the Thread creator was banned , or just quit
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Oh and what makes YOU a better canidate?
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Read my Personal Text :P
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Junk.
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lol...
Okay.
I see; u have chosen option 4 ::)
Lord Rommel - DEV
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