Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Ostheer Suggestions => Topic started by: frostcnc3 on February 22, 2010, 09:01:45 AM
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I have heard from other fans who mentioned this already in the forum. He suggest the plane is meant to attack enemy air targets only. That's really one of the best suggestions so far since the luftwaffe still has certain control in east by the battle of kursk. To make it more solid, it can be:
Messerschmitt Bf 109 air coverage (3 or 5cps, 75 ammo cost, doctrine specific)
After activate, a bf 109 fighter will enter the battlefield with the duration, cool down time and area covered similar to the pe henshcel. However the enemy cannot see the area of effect and the bf 109 can only target enemy planes. The accuracy ought to be high since the bf109 is one of the best fighters in ww2.
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And how precisely is that supposed to be coded? The planes in the COH engine just fly preset paths to bomb/strafe along a line drawn on the ground. How the heck are they gonna be able to track and shoot down other planes?
And how worthwhile would such an ability be that's ONLY useful against the few allied doctrines that do use planes?
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i think that's useless for keeping air clean should be AA canons (20, 88mm)
and bf 109 was good on the beginning of the ww2 at the middle and at end it cant be compared to the opposing planes such as P51 Mustang, Spitfire or Yak 9
also very big number of pilots died when they was landing the BF109 was more deadly to his own pilots then to an enemy... :o
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Well; i think the last versions of the ME 109 were quiet good against enemy planes but this is an own discussion.
In my opinion i would say that u dont need such an ability because only 2 doctrines of overall 9 available doctrines ( 2 of 9!!! ) had planes which could get fight down by ME 109 planes ;)
So it could happen that u fight against an enemy without any planes and so u would have an ability at your commandtree which u cant use or u dont need...so no good deal when instate of such a "useless" ability u could had have an ability with a strong or helpful unit or ability ( i hope u understand what i want to say xD ).
When such an Ability then as "upgrade" at an building so that u just can use it when u need it ;)
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like lord rommel said, it would only help against british gliders, recon/strafing/bombing run, il-2 and maybe paratroopers. if your opponent chooses any other doctrine it would be completely useless.
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I suggest an ability to disable all enemy aerial ability and also off-map artillery. "Air Superior" or something like that? In a duration, enemy player can't call-in air strike, air drop, can't reinforce paratroopers, and even can't call-in off-map artillery. Great for cover your troop again Command Squad artillery. No plane will appear, just some sound (Stuka sound and Bf sound in indicate that your Kamerad from Luftwaffe are doing their duty). Very useful again all doctrines. On-map artillery can still operate, of course.
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Well; how should "air superior" suppress off-map artillery oO Thats sounds quiet curious for me.
Ad shooting down the gliders; when i had think about this ME 109 idea i thought that i should shoot down the US attack runs and the IL-2, not the gliders and airbornsoldiers ( plans hunt single airbornsoldiers??? Firing with a bazooka on a fly oO ). So altogether i would say that there are not enough "targets" for such an ability.
the idea is good and interesting but at the moment not needed.
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Maybe as to not make the ability useless against non-air doctrines, the BF109 runs can reveal fog of war if there is no enemy planes to shoot at?
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Well then it is a strange "recon-ability" like the recon-fly of the US airborn doctrine. Dont like this idea.
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Well it seems to add a new mechanic to the Axis armada, that's all...imo it seems to be a good idea. If there's no enemy planes it'd just be multiple recon runs on an area for a while. I mean...it costs more CP than the USA recon and it costs 25 munis more...idk whats so odd about it.
Isn't plain arty getting old? I mean, I really hope Ostheer (unlike the PE) can add a new, interesting, and fun type of support for the Axis, or at least a new type of game mechanic. IMO the main point of a faction is to bring something new to the playing table right? Air coverage seems pretty intense.
I really don't want to see the Ostheer to be just an excuse of a faction like PE. Relic: "O the Allies get 2 factions (USA/Brit) now so we have to sh1t a half-assed one out (PE) for the Axis as a compensation now"
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PE is far from half assed. They fill a niche that the Wehrmacht lacks, being able to easily bypass fixed defenses with mechanized infantry and light vehicles. PGs and halftracks provide a mobile self sustaining force, halftrack reinforces PGs while PGs fix halftracks and any other vehicles.
Try learning how to play PE, you'd be surprised how effective they can be.
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I love PE, they can be really nasty late game if used properly
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PE is far from half assed. They fill a niche that the Wehrmacht lacks, being able to easily bypass fixed defenses with mechanized infantry and light vehicles. PGs and halftracks provide a mobile self sustaining force, halftrack reinforces PGs while PGs fix halftracks and any other vehicles.
Try learning how to play PE, you'd be surprised how effective they can be.
That's what everyone wants to think. Ideally it is supposed to work like that, but in practical use, PE fails short of its planned potential. If you look at gamereplays.org, I'm not the only one who feels this way. Don't listen to the noobs here. All I see when I get in EF is Leningrad and compstomps...I wouldn't be surprised if half of the posts here are from those noobs.
My EF account is VVerhmacht and I host 1v1s 500 vp standard (automatch settings) everytime I get on...no one ever comes join my game, instead they go for the compstomps, (go figure) yet everyone here talks like they know more.
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The original idea would be near useless while the no off map support idea would be OP. On a small map, you could just turn that on and you could get to an enemy base with little resistance provided you had been building up the assault.
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The original idea would be near useless while the no off map support idea would be OP. On a small map, you could just turn that on and you could get to an enemy base with little resistance provided you had been building up the assault.
What about a reduced off map effectiveness instead, IE: reduces the suppression and damage from strafe, reduces accuracy of the IL-2 and Bombing run and increases the time for gliders and what not to come in...
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Why can't air superior suppress off-map artillery? Attack planes were used to destroy enemy artillery. I didn't said that BF will shoot down paratroopers or glider, just make them scared so them don't dare to come on. Just for fun. Its duration maybe 30-45 seconds, which mean you must activate it exactly when your offensive begin to cover your attacks. And you can't use it too often. Is it fair?
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because the BF109 was an air superiority fighter not an attack plane... meanin that they targeted Aircraft and other flying objects...not artillery pieces...
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I remember that in my first post on this thread, I mentioned Stuka sound to indicate that the ability is on. Not only Bf come in, but also the famous Ju-87, but not to provide close support, just suppress enemy off-map artillery.
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in all honesty that is rather OP... now there is no counter to a panther rush other then gobs of AT.... or that infamous vet 3 gren blob.....
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because the BF109 was an air superiority fighter not an attack plane... meanin that they targeted Aircraft and other flying objects...not artillery pieces...
BF 109G-16 was an fighter bomber but it was almost end of the war when it was developed
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in all honesty that is rather OP... now there is no counter to a panther rush other then gobs of AT.... or that infamous vet 3 gren blob.....
Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure. Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.
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Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure. Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.
Really?? my 3 man MP44 Group Zeal PE troops demolished upgraded engies... Go figure....
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Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure. Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.
Really?? my 3 man MP44 Group Zeal PE troops demolished upgraded engies... Go figure....
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Who gets group zeal? Go figure.
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Um... any sensible PE player... and if you're MP44 troops are getting killed by Upgraded engies and they aren't out numbered 3:1 then you're doing something wrong
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Um... any sensible PE player... and if you're MP44 troops are getting killed by Upgraded engies and they aren't out numbered 3:1 then you're doing something wrong
First of all, no decent player would use group zeal, and secondly you are not counting sensibly in terms of manpower. The MP44 guys are already having a hard time dealing with the upgraded ppsh engies 1v1...now if you really use your head, you would realize that the engies are only a 150 manpower squad, so if you were to be equal in terms of manpower it would nearly be 2 engies squads vs 1 mp44 squad, this isn't even counting the Pgren's expensive re-enforce cost.
Also it doesn't make sense to me how a 300 manpower grenadier squad at vet 3 (which costs a hell lot more than just 200 munitions) gets raped 1v1 (its not even a close battle) by 2 engie squads (also 300 manpower) or a partisan squad (also 300 manpower)
All this isn't even counting the doctrinal dual flamer upgrade they can get.
With that, I don't want to discuss this any further. If you want, we could do a 1v1 with me as the Soviet Union so I can prove my case when I destroy your noobish group zeal tactics.
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No decent player uses Group Zeal? I don't see why not... It reduces the damage and suppression taken by groups of PGrens of 2 or more squads...THAT and it is a prerequisite to Sprint I would say no decent player would forget it so all i have to say is you are not as good as you claim to be as I have asked multiple ranked players (lvl 14+ all of them) and they agree.... You sir are on crack! And if you care to discuss this more I can make you look like an idiot, just let me know when you get TS3 and I will give you our server address and let them call you a retard in person....
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Me-109 allways wining with P-47?
Anyway who needs air battles in a ground strategy?
Build flack cannons and youll be fine.
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Okay guys!
When u want to talk about the balance between russian engineers and german StG. 44 troops so PLZ USE THE BALANCE board!
Here u can discuss about air weapons or air superiority abilities
( thx Paciat for getting back to topic ;) ).
Lord Rommel
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Yeah, there will be no battle for air superior! Just some sound effects. Do you get annoy when a british commando player deploy fake flares on your troops? And when a battle is on your hand, a P47 come in and pin all of your squad, open a way for enemy SMG squad and grenades come in. Please think, will 30-45 seconds of air cover break the balance? With that short duration, if used at a wrong moment, it will just a muni waste. And no one could claim that Bf109 always beat P47. But who want to run into enemy superior space?
Don't you know that air superior is something very important? It doesn't only stop enemy attack planes/ bombers but also provide close support and to silent enemy artillery.