Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Hurson on May 23, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
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It one-shots Panzer Elite Infantry Halftracks.
Please explain why it should do that. :-\
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Are you sure?? Its an identical US 76mm meaning it should take 3 shots if I remember
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Well it brought it down from 100% to a scrap pile.
I have not tested it further, tho.
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The Lend Lease Sherman can drive over footbrigdes, as it was a infantry unit. it did that on Scheldt + it did a submarine move throw a small river.
Personally i dont like the Range that the unit has, its like a mobile 88mm cannon doing chuck norris moves around the battlefield.
Im in love with the skin and the model ! but please this unit needs some tweaks, its not lie to say its kinda OP atm.
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Never thought that, there will be lend lease sherman tanks cuz if i recall correctly, one of the dev hates the idea of lend lease in EF.
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This tank should have the 75mm cannon, not the 76mm upgun.
I dont know the current stats other than it has no 50cal and lower armor/hp than an american sherman, but it is still pretty much too good for as early as it can come out. It should be exactly as it is now, but with the 75mm.
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75mm cannon = scrap the new model and skin = American copy paste = fail.
Changes will be made through other angles.
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Personally i dont like the Range that the unit has, its like a mobile 88mm cannon doing chuck norris moves around the battlefield.
Bwahaahaha. ;) , I thought the old Shermans were a little OP since they have an excellent Price:Preformance ratio(They're cheap and good) and I have yet to test the Soviet one.
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I think the Sherman as a unit is really unique and should stay, but it really needs a drastic stat tweak. Again I stress that it needs to be roughly the equivalent to a Churchill, because that's the unit role it's supposed to take. The current stats it has is not even close to a Churchill effectiveness by far.
Note: In regards to the Hetzer, it is only slightly stronger than the Churchill, but it also takes 1 more CP to unluck.
I stress once more, it is not supposed to be a mainline battle tank that is "desired"; rather as a tampon / stopgap tank that is supposed to be called in when there is no other alternative for AT in a sticky situation and loses effectiveness late game.
Contrary to the USA Sherman, people should not "want" to field this USSR Sherman late game if they can afford the other Soviet tanks instead.
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i decided to take a look at its stats in corsix mod studio, and the number are a bit crazy for some of them
damage- 184 (damage for 76mm sherman for americans is about 78)
reload - 5-6 seconds
range- 60 (equivalent to the range of most AT guns) with a minimum range of 5 (which is odd for a tank)
also has a splash radius of 4.5, a 1.2 penetration bonus modifier at short range, and the target tables are similar to that of the regular 76mm sherman.
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i decided to take a look at its stats in corsix mod studio, and the number are a bit crazy for some of them
damage- 184 (damage for 76mm sherman for americans is about 78)
reload - 5-6 seconds
range- 60 (equivalent to the range of most AT guns) with a minimum range of 5 (which is odd for a tank)
also has a splash radius of 4.5, a 1.2 penetration bonus modifier at short range, and the target tables are similar to that of the regular 76mm sherman.
Damn, can anyone confirm it?
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It also one-shots Wehr HTs and its accuracy is a bit too good I'd say
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Super American Technology will lulspwn all!
@Chancellor, I don't think it needs to be the Churchills equal they played the same role but the Churchill had a worse gun and better armor with a lower maximum speed.
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Super American Technology will lulspwn all!
@Chancellor, I don't think it needs to be the Churchills equal they played the same role but the Churchill had a worse gun and better armor with a lower maximum speed.
Well obviously I'm not saying to give it the exact same stats as the Churchill. A Sherman that moves like the Churchill would look stupid IMO. It just needs to be equal to the Churchill performance-wise since it plays the same role. Churchill stats or not that Sherman needs a huge nerf anyhow.
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aha, heres da problem
(http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/robotnikman/aha.png)
it does twice the damage to all of panzer elites light vehicles (as well as pumas and Wehrmacht halftracks). so yeah it kills them in one hit.
it also has some other weird modifiers such as a 1.5 dmage modifier vs AT guns and multiple damage and accuracy bonuses against other tanks, and does double damage against soldier and elite armor type infantry
i think this requires a hotfix
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Super American Technology will lulspwn all!
@Chancellor, I don't think it needs to be the Churchills equal they played the same role but the Churchill had a worse gun and better armor with a lower maximum speed.
Well obviously I'm not saying to give it the exact same stats as the Churchill. A Sherman that moves like the Churchill would look stupid IMO. It just needs to be equal to the Churchill performance-wise since it plays the same role. Churchill stats or not that Sherman needs a huge nerf anyhow.
Well your post was very clear that you thought the Sherman should have the same effectivness and combat capabilities as a Churchill, thus implying that they should have similiar stats, IMO They do not play the same roles, The Sherman is more of an operations main battle tank while the Churchill was a defense busting tank.
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Super American Technology will lulspwn all!
@Chancellor, I don't think it needs to be the Churchills equal they played the same role but the Churchill had a worse gun and better armor with a lower maximum speed.
Well obviously I'm not saying to give it the exact same stats as the Churchill. A Sherman that moves like the Churchill would look stupid IMO. It just needs to be equal to the Churchill performance-wise since it plays the same role. Churchill stats or not that Sherman needs a huge nerf anyhow.
Well your post was very clear that you thought the Sherman should have the same effectivness and combat capabilities as a Churchill, thus implying that they should have similiar stats, IMO They do not play the same roles, The Sherman is more of an operations main battle tank while the Churchill was a defense busting tank.
OK I don't want to discuss this any further, sorry. You don't understand what I'm trying to get across.
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well the mecanics should be bought first, the sherman is too early, (3, like the fat brit slow tank)
another lend lease maybe ? or just one at a time ? with the sherman and the riders able, the T3 is unecessary !
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A one-shot kill against halftracks? Daaaaamn ;)
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well the mecanics should be bought first, the sherman is too early, (3, like the fat brit slow tank)
another lend lease maybe ? or just one at a time ? with the sherman and the riders able, the T3 is unecessary !
+1 to that,
maybe a Lend-Lease Jeep (Heaven knows that is needed with the Soviets)
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It does not come too early because, like the churchill, is pretty terrible against infantry due to it's inaccuracy. Very little AT is required to kill it. The tank simply does too much damage and has ridiculous modifiers. The modifiers against AT guns especially must go. Also, the fact that it handily beats a stug (the early armoured counter to the normal sherman) is quite a balance issue.
Just remember that the Gwagon does 250 damage, while this sherman does 184, fires faster, has a turret and has huge modifiers. If the Gwagon is OP then what is this?
well the mecanics should be bought first, the sherman is too early, (3, like the fat brit slow tank)
another lend lease maybe ? or just one at a time ? with the sherman and the riders able, the T3 is unecessary !
+1 to that,
maybe a Lend-Lease Jeep (Heaven knows that is needed with the Soviets)
-1 to that
Soviets should have a jeep from the barracks. A doctrinal jeep that would have to come at 1 point would be too late for the jeep to be effective and also give away your doctrine choice very quickly.
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@GlD 'Your lack of faith is distrubing......'
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Having read all the tweaks and upgrades of 1.10 and what this new "sherman" can do, I have decided not to install this patch.
Such patches make me passionate Axis-Player sick. German Weapons have become junk and are constantly being tweaked.
Why not give the axis slingshots, paperballs, water-baloons and pea-shooters. That should make the allied players happy - on the other hand, they still would whine, that axis is to strong.
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IMO the only thing that's wrong with the sherman is the damage that it does, it one shots a HT, 2 shots an AT..
And I find that if you keep the sherman on a good distance supported with infantry in front of it, no german tank can destroy the sherman.. I've played a couple of hours with the new patch, and I have still never lost a single sherman just by using it as a mobile AT.. HT's, puma's, stugs, P4's, Panthers..
They all got destroyed easily..
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The only weapon in the war that was able to take out practicly any tank (even at 5k, distance) with one shot, was the 88. It makes me sick to see the 88 in this game as such a pethetic weapon. Elite upgrade 3 88 needs up to 3 shots to destroy a US AT-Gun. I played Lyon against Soviets. My 88 needed over 8 shots to kill a SU85. It was allready disabled and was shot up to the point that you could kill it with a handgrenade. Yet the 88 kept shooting at it "boing" shells bounce off.
If this game was somewhat realistic, a Tiger or King Tiger should take out a Sherman with one shot, if they are almost at point blank range. That a Tiger needs several shots to kill a US-Armoured car, is a joke. Its not like anyone could spam the game with tigers, since you only are able to get one. And even that single one which is expensive, isn't what it should be.
Playing Axis is becoming less fun with every new patch. The "Allies" have a nice lobby and the developers always have an open ear for them.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure my Sherman also one-shooted a PE halftrack. Anyway - the current concept of L-L Sherman is wrong imo, it's not in the spirit of Eastern front and should be changed.
Either: a) kick it out, b) make it a reward unit or c) at least make it come after mechanics in the doc tree