Company of Heroes: Eastern Front

Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => General Discussion => Topic started by: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 06:20:52 AM

Title: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 06:20:52 AM: Just wondering.....
Do Devs ACTUALLY take ideas from the general public? Or do they tend to stay in their own little idea bubble? I see alot of people posting some pretty cool ideas on here, but no feedback from the modders unless its telling someone their own idea or just informing someone that that individuals idea is virtually impossible. If anyone knows of any ideas taken from here, please inform me.

(This is not ripping on the modders, Im simply curious)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Blackbishop on May 28, 2010, 06:26:37 AM: Of which ideas are you talking about? ???

I mean which one make you open this thread ::).
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: ThGermanElite on May 28, 2010, 07:17:31 AM: Thats a good question......I dont think they do take ideas from the EF community.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: GodlikeDennis on May 28, 2010, 09:07:03 AM: The suggestion phase for the Russians has mostly passed and instead they are listening to the community's opinions of balance. I've recognised many of the changes in recent patches from the forums, many of which I've contributed to. They might be taking ideas for the Ostheer, I don't know. If you do make suggestions though, remember that balance is paramount. So no railway artillery that one-shot everything in a nuclear blast radius thank you.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Rikard Blixt on May 28, 2010, 09:44:28 AM: We can't take balances ideas from anyone, especially people only player vs. AI. Against the AI all balance get screwed up (extra much/little HP b/c modifiers on difficulties).

Reborn clan is one of our major "sources" for balance suggestions. We do of cause look at the forums and pick bits here and there, one example is the strelky spam thread of 1.10, also the conscript pop cap thread of same version.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 12:21:38 PM: Ok so all the threads posted on here (regarding new ideas) dont mean a thing? Such as veterancy systems, new units/ability ideas? And you just toss em aside??
So basiclly youre saying, once you guys (the devs) get together and talk it out, tend to be very narrow with the plan and stick with the main ideas? Not allowing outsider ideas?
And you use Reborn as your "lab rats" (so to speak), and tend to use just their feedback when it comes to new ideas??
Balance, yeah ok, but theres alot of cool ideas on here that should really be taken into consideration. You guys have something great on here right in front of you.....dont waste it.

(Once again, not ripping, just curious)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Cranialwizard on May 28, 2010, 12:33:54 PM: Sounds like your ripping >:(

Look, like I said in the other thread, don't join the forum and then shoot every single mod down to the ground because they don't want to use every single idea on the forum.

In a brief Statement:

Mods CAN NOT take every idea and combine them all to make one giant jumble. Nor are they likely to take into account 1 single idea and leave it as is.

They take the ideas and build from them and add their own stuff. They look at the suggestions to create their own ideas.

Sure, my Ostheer suggestion didn't work out the way I hoped. But maybe one or two of the mods likes the Ost Pioneers/Field Pioneers system, and will consider integrating.

Tearing the mods to shreds literally seconds after you join the forum seems very negative and aggressive.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 12:52:53 PM: Quote from: Cranialwizard on May 28, 2010, 12:33:54 PM
Sounds like your ripping >:(

Look, like I said in the other thread, don't join the forum and then shoot every single mod down to the ground because they don't want to use every single idea on the forum.

In a brief Statement:

Mods CAN NOT take every idea and combine them all to make one giant jumble. Nor are they likely to take into account 1 single idea and leave it as is.

They take the ideas and build from them and add their own stuff. They look at the suggestions to create their own ideas.

Sure, my Ostheer suggestion didn't work out the way I hoped. But maybe one or two of the mods likes the Ost Pioneers/Field Pioneers system, and will consider integrating.

Tearing the mods to shreds literally seconds after you join the forum seems very negative and aggressive.

A) I dont care for your opinion

B) Dont be a little baby, just because someone likes to talk straight forward and get to the point doesnt mean they are a bad person. Im just curious, and I apologize if anyone's sensitive feelings get hurt...youll have to get over it

C) I clearly stated that I wasnt ripping on them...TWICE.....just in case you cant read plain english.

D) All I asked is for a simple answer, not your 5 paragraph paper why you love EF. Simple answers....PLEASE.

E)I love EF, its a fantastic mod, I have nothing against the DEVs, Im interested in how they run things

F) Your Ostheer idea wasnt that great anyway

G)Thank you for your time. Come again soon 8)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Rikard Blixt on May 28, 2010, 01:49:10 PM: Quote from: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 12:52:53 PM
A) I dont care for your opinion

And that's your problem
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: PersianImm0rtal on May 28, 2010, 05:38:45 PM: wow, what is wrong with him asking a simple question? Well we got the answer...no they mostly don't. Unless its from this "reborn clan" they take ideas from one clan only.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 05:50:42 PM: I think some of you have got confused.

We consult our Reborn contacts for serious advice on competitive balancing. However, somewhere along the lines, someone has twisted that to mean "We don't listen to the forum!", probably because they are miffed that their special idea wasn't used.

Every single idea is read, and many ideas are discussed by the Eastern Front team within the private forums or via XFire. We generally don't like to interfere with community ideas, which is why we don't appear as active on these forums. Yes, we have shot down numerous ideas, but that is because we don't fancy the P.1500 Monster or the Atomic Railway Artillery. It is quite clear from our patching process that the core EF community here at this forum is our primary influence for changes to the Soviet Faction. We carefully regulate which ideas we can use and which ideas we can't.

Oh, and the Ostheer is pretty much comprised of community ideas. Hope this wraps up your concerns.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: BurroDiablo on May 28, 2010, 06:42:30 PM: I'm sorry, but the only person who sounds closed minded around here is you... judging by your name, your personal text and the way you responded to cranialwizard. Not ripping or anything... ::)

If we couldn't give a toss about the community, why would we bother to keep these forums going? It costs money to keep running, it would be easier for us to live in our own little bubble and just update RelicNews every 6 months, but we don't... we have these forums so we can learn more from the playing experiences of our community and break any suggestions or problems into groups so these are easier to follow and not buried in a sea of posts. Yes, we are the Devs and the ultimate end decision of what goes into the mod is our own, but just because we don't comment on every thread with a 'cool' idea does not mean we don't read these threads.

I'd like to know what these cool ideas are that's brought you to make this post in the first place.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 06:51:24 PM: I'll just stand behind WartyX in this. Some of the community ideas are just ridicolous.

Quote from: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 05:50:42 PM
Yes, we have shot down numerous ideas, but that is because we don't fancy the P.1500 Monster or the Atomic Railway Artillery.

I'd rather see the awesome panzer II or III rather than "Atomic Railway Artillery" as Wartyx put it.

And don't be so harsh on Cranial :(
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 06:57:52 PM: That's lucky.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Blackbishop on May 28, 2010, 07:10:32 PM: Quote from: BurroDiablo on May 28, 2010, 06:42:30 PM
...

I'd like to know what these cool ideas are that's brought you to make this post in the first place.
I'm glad to see that I not the only who think about it.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 07:14:35 PM: Quote from: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 06:57:52 PM
That's lucky.

What do you mean with "that's lucky"? Was that a comment to:

Quote from: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 06:51:24 PM
I'd rather see the awesome panzer II or III

OH MY GOD POSSIBLE COMFIRMED UNIT?

I just jizzed in my pants
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on May 28, 2010, 07:17:40 PM: Quote from: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 06:57:52 PM
That's lucky.

What do you mean with "that's lucky"? Was that a comment to:

Quote from: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 06:51:24 PM
I'd rather see the awesome panzer II or III

OH MY GOD POSSIBLE COMFIRMED UNIT?

I just jizzed in my pants

??? Tell me crazy but i hadnt read any confirmation ???
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Hurson on May 28, 2010, 07:28:15 PM: Quote from: Lord Rommel on May 28, 2010, 07:17:40 PM
??? Tell me crazy but i hadnt read any confirmation ???

I said that I'd see a panzer II/III rather than a "super overhyped jumbo tank" and then he said "That's lucky."

Oh, the CONSPIRACIES!
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Akalonor on May 28, 2010, 07:40:23 PM: He seems a bit....... miffed (YKN) , hey, and I thought I was bitter .
I wonder where the line on his 'ban' button is.

@YKN As usual I side with WartyX and Rizz on this, they obviously listen to the community, check the Forum, they held a poll that could've taken out two of the Factions and given Ostheer & Soviets Retreat and such , but the community said no .
Stop thinking your Perfect and take a chill pill.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: omya on May 28, 2010, 07:58:53 PM: lol guy owns 5 posts n a big mouth
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: luz777 on May 28, 2010, 08:18:33 PM: Good to hear that the Ost is comprised of a lot of community ideas. A lot of us joined here after the planning for soviets was more or less complete. So will be cool to see who's idea's got incorporated...

Fingers crossed ;D

Also, just finished 2nd year of Uni today, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey :D

To the pub!
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: WartyX on May 28, 2010, 08:36:27 PM: Quote from: luz777 on May 28, 2010, 08:18:33 PM
To the pub!
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 10:04:37 PM: Thank you WartyX for the reply, you just answered my questions. I appreciate your time sir.

BurroDiablo, thanks for the info, no need to get hyped up over nothing buddy, settle down. Breathe in...and out....innnn, and out ;) But some cool ideas are the veterancy ideas, for both the Ostheer and Red Army, also some of the units....Im NOT a fan of Uber units, such as the railgun (PLEASE NO), Ill post the links to some of the ideas when I get time for you babe.

As for the rest of you, like I said, I apologize if I offended anyone's precious, sensitive, little feelings, but youll just need to get over it.

Thanks for the replies all, and come again soon!! 8)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: thebomb on May 28, 2010, 11:42:57 PM: Quote
If anyone knows of any ideas taken from here, please inform me.

I know my suggestion about renaming the Juggernaut to Zveroboy definitely played a role - you can see the result in-game :)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Sonders on May 28, 2010, 11:49:27 PM: You can please some of the people all the time and almost all the people some of the times but your not going to please that guy ever, lol.

Ok, this is not the right place for this but it is the right thread. I got a great idea that you got to take seriously. Give the Soviets a spy. A beautiful half naked babe riding a bicycle. She rides up to a bunker with a MG42 in it. The Germans lay down their weapons and come out to talk to her. Then you sneak up and waste them with your infantry, lol.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Dominic 'Dragon' Cassidy on May 29, 2010, 12:04:02 AM: LOL

And i thought EF already had too much porn in it....

Oh wait, wrong release xD
My bad.
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Cranialwizard on May 29, 2010, 12:40:26 AM: DID Dragon just slip us some info?
:O:O:O
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: luz777 on May 29, 2010, 04:35:31 AM: You know for a fact that "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" is going to be a call in unit for Ost.

Fact I tell you!
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Headlock on May 29, 2010, 05:44:18 AM: "no need to get hyped up over nothing buddy, settle down."

Classic troll.

claiming one is not doing something ('ripping'), and then going right ahead and actually doing it is just...sad.

Of course the devs listen, but they're the devs, and theyve done a bang up job, esp. considering how bloody awkward it can be to mod CoH in a coherent, balanced manner.

HDLK
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Cranialwizard on May 29, 2010, 06:14:00 AM: This will be my final post in the argument unless I am a bit more than irritated at your arrogance.

"Not Ripping, just Curious"

That's your blank statement that basically says:

"No offense, but I'm going to start ripping you guys."

You basically told the mods that they think they are better than everybody and we have no say.

And what, you've had experience? Psh.

Telling them your not ripping them and then going right ahead and tearing them apart to bits must make them feel a bit sad, I'm guessing, since they put so much work into this awesome thing and you end up telling them that they are arrogant.

Not only must it sadden the mods but it irritates me.
And as you can see, the community is behind me.

Like Rizz said:

Quote
And that is your problem.

If you don't want to hear it from me, you can ask almost ANY of the others that posted on this particular topic. They'll mostly tell you the same thing.

(This is to you mods:
Honestly, I believe this topic is well, off topic. And I think it either needs to be moved or deleted at this point, seeing that we went from arguing about what the devs do and don't, to the devs intervening, to talking about a reward unit. Must say?)
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Blackbishop on May 29, 2010, 07:04:39 AM: Quote from: YouKnowNOTIHNG on May 28, 2010, 10:04:37 PM
Thank you WartyX for the reply, you just answered my questions. I appreciate your time sir.

BurroDiablo, thanks for the info, no need to get hyped up over nothing buddy, settle down. Breathe in...and out....innnn, and out ;) But some cool ideas are the veterancy ideas, for both the Ostheer and Red Army, also some of the units....Im NOT a fan of Uber units, such as the railgun (PLEASE NO), Ill post the links to some of the ideas when I get time for you babe.

As for the rest of you, like I said, I apologize if I offended anyone's precious, sensitive, little feelings, but youll just need to get over it.

Thanks for the replies all, and come again soon!! 8)
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Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Akalonor on May 29, 2010, 08:36:25 AM: +231!
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Cranialwizard on May 29, 2010, 09:11:04 AM: Wow, that was extremely appropriate XD

+1337
Title: Re: Are they ACTUALLY open minded??
Post by: Zerstörer on May 29, 2010, 09:34:22 AM: YouKnowNothing has clearly registered to to troll and flame the forum by acting like Mr Smarty Pants...so if you think he's talking bullshit and annoys you just don't reply (aka feed the troll) and waste time on flame wars. No need for drama...
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