Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Other discussions (Read-Only) => Eastern Front => Topic started by: Newbie. on August 04, 2010, 01:30:26 PM
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What was THE best Machinegun of WW2? You Deciede here! The Factors...
Accuacy
Suppression
Rate-Of-Fire
Cartidge
Ease of use
Reload time
Reliablitty
Size
Wieght
Effective Range
Vote nows!
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What was THE best Machinegun of WW2? You Deciede here! The Factors...
Accuacy
Suppression
Rate-Of-Fire
Cartidge
Ease of use
Reload time
Reliablitty
Size
Wieght
Effective Range
Vote nows!
Another factor...who is the Machine gunner ;D
I think with no doubts the best is MG42:
Rate of fire: 1200/1300 bullet at minute
Range of fire: 1.094 mts
Weight: 11.6 kgs (BAR weight 14.05 kgs :o)
Cartridge belt: 75 or 100
High speed of bullet: 710 mt/sec (2329 ft/s)
Cheaper to produce.
Defect: the barrel overheats easily
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MG42 easily. Not necessarily for the gun itself (which was excellent) but also for the tactics that the Germans developed for it.
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Cal 0.5.
It was everywhere where allies were, it could replace both 20mm guns and 0.3 or 0.303 MGs on aircrafts.
Germans were scared of penetration power that 12,7mm bullet had. You couldnt hide from its bullets in a brick house and if you got hit...
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Close tie between MG42 and M2 Browning, both are still used today with almost no modifications. 60-70 years of service.
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I don't think LMG's like the BAR would count as general purpose machine guns... But anyway It would be a hard choice between the M2, M1919, and MG42 for a medium to heavy machine gun. The MG42 was easy to produce, fast, and reasonably powerful. I have heard that German soldiers complaining about the ammo consumption of the weapon, which was 1200+ a minute. The M1919 was very well balanced, and was used by USMC legend Tony Stein, who saved his comrades, took on Japanese fortifications on Iwo Jima with his ANM2 Browning, which was a variant of the M1919 made for aircraft, was lighter and fired up to 1200+, all by himself. The .50cal was just a beast, I remember hearing about it killing an Iraqi fighter more than a mile away, by a US soldier firing it with a mounted scope. It was actually created as an AT weapon for dealing with the early WW1 tanks, but was never completed in time. I might sound like I'm totally a redneck gun lover, but I'm actually very liberal, don't own any guns and would never want to, I just love history, and weapons are well a part of it. Thanks for the poll anyways.
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the LMG 42 is by far the best , there is no arguement ( so shut up Paciat ! (jk) )
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.50 cal for sure , great penetration and excellent design
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the LMG 42 is by far the best , there is no arguement ( so shut up Paciat ! (jk) )
Dont overheat like youre MG would. ;D
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Guess i'm the only one who liks the extremely ease of production, ease of use, accurate, and Powerfull Bren? :P
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Guess i'm the only one who liks the extremely ease of production, ease of use, accurate, and Powerfull Bren? :P
But thats a redesigned ZB vz. 26.
A lot of armies used it too. Good design.
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I voted for .50 cal. It was and still is a beast, though MG42 and its newer rechambered version for standart NATO amunition the MG3 is a very good and reliable machine gun too. But the M2HB simply wins in my opinion...if nothing else it uses 12.7mm rounds and i certainly wouldnt want to stand in its way, even behind a concrete wall.
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the LMG 42 is by far the best , there is no arguement ( so shut up Paciat ! (jk) )
Dont overheat like youre MG would. ;D
Better suppression than yours :P
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lol. i thing this poll should be "What is better? M2HB or MG42?"
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the LMG 42 is by far the best , there is no arguement ( so shut up Paciat ! (jk) )
Dont overheat like youre MG would. ;D
That's why MG34 and MG42 allows you to change the barrel pretty fast. Don't know about a possibility for that on other mgs.
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the other MG doesnt fire fast enough to need it :P whats the rpm for a non combat situation , last I remember it was 500.
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50cal, of course! Still in use by ~91 countries, It is tried and true. ;)
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what its used for though is not squad combat, its used in emplacements and mounted on vehicles , as a General purpose Mg for anti infantry the MG42 is better.
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In a static defence role, .50 cal just OWNS everything.
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but the question is as a GPMG , not a Static MG.
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Guess i'm the only one who liks the extremely ease of production, ease of use, accurate, and Powerfull Bren? :P
But thats a redesigned ZB vz. 26.
A lot of armies used it too. Good design.
...including the Waffen-SS, who were known to favor large numbers of Polish rifles and Czech automatic weapons due to supply problems. ;D
Post Merge: August 06, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
In the GPMG/LMG role, the MG42 wins, hands-down. The excellent combination of accuracy, range, interchangeability, interoperability, portability, flexibility in multiple roles, ease of use, simplicity of design and incredible suppression rate made it a machine-gun which was way ahead of its time---and which definitely set the standard for every MG which came after it (FN Mag, M60, MG3, SiG 710 series, etc.).
In the anti-materiel, static-defense, and vehicle-mounted roles, the Browning M2HB 50.cal is superior to everything else. It combines power with excellent range, enough to stop thin-skinned vehicles at a considerable distance. However, it failed as a GPMG because it was (and still is) too heavy and bulky. It's more of an HMG.
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Well, I would have said M2HB, but since the poll is "As a GPMG" I've gotta say MG42, I live in Denmark and we still use them :)
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Dont overheat like youre MG would. ;D
M2 Browning can easily overheat, and it's not as easy to change the overheated barell as on the MG42.
In any case - the poll was about which was the best GPMG. And in that case, he MG42 is easily the best one, together with the MG34. A very flexible weapon thhat can easily be carried by a single man and used in all kinds of combat situation.
The M2 Browning is a very good weapon, dont get me wrong, but much more "specialized" for certain tasks and therefore not as good as a GPMG as the MG42.
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I have to disagree that the MG34 was second , it was too fragile for combat situations , Itd say the Bren is second , MG34 third
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Yea, the bren was pretty good.
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I gotta say the MG42 is an excellent weapon, but the ammo consumption caused many problems. Rate of fire isn't everything you know. The MG42's accuracy is pretty good if you fire it in bursts( like any other machine gun), and if you do whats the big idea of having a high rate of fire for. That's why the Americans made the M60 because they thought 1200+ rpm was just downright overkill. I gotta give it to the Browning M1919, reliable like any other machine gun of its era. Powerful, firing the 30-06, which has similar performance to the 7.92x57mm Mauser round. It has a longer effective range than the MG42, and can be used by a single person with a sling or bi-pod, did you watch the Pacific or read about Tony Stein on Iwo Jima? It weighed just a little bit more than the MG42 because it used more machined parts rather than stamped parts which I heard gives you more reliability, not sure about this. Doesn't fire fast enough to need barrel changes often. The M1919 also just looks awesome. Everyone has there own opinion, and I respect all of them, but I just wanted to present mine.
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Did you look into it much , the 1919 does infact need a barrel change , not as often as the 42 but still , also the Mg 42 was a squad weapon , the 1919 was meant to be mounted , not carried by a single person , using the Pacific as a source isnt that credible either , but I respect your ways even though I disagree.
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He was referring to the ANM2 "Stinger", which was an M1919 modification used by the USMC in Iwo Jima. However, the total number of units which were produced and subsequently used in battle were only 5-6 (including Tony Stein's) --- so these were pretty isolated cases. The M1919 was designed and used as a crew-served company or battalion-level support weapon, and not as a squad LMG or GPMG. The fact that the M1919's handle was designed to be gripped while in a prone, dug-in or mounted static-defence position illustrates its role as being primarily defensive in nature. It wasn't as effective in the assault role, since it was considered too cumbersome to lug around (unless it was mounted on a vehicle, such as a jeep). Also, the prevalence of machined parts made it extremely difficult to clean and maintain, not to mention the fact that it also required a greater amount of resources and man-hours to produce. I should know, since I actually own one. ;)
By the time WW2 started, it was already considered obsolete, since it was originally a water-cooled MG converted to use an air-cooled system. When it was decided try to lighten the gun and make it an air-cooled gun, its design as a "gun that fires from the closed bolt" created a potentially dangerous situation. If the gun was very hot from prolonged firing, the cartridge ready to be fired could be resting in a red hot barrel, causing the propellant in the round to "cook off": firing from the intense heat without any warning.
Its use could be illustrated as such:
"The M1919 required at least a two-man machine gun team. But in practice, four men were normally involved: the gunner (who fired the gun and when advancing carried the tripod and box of ammo), the assistant gunner (who helped feed the gun and carried the gun, and box of spare parts and tools), and two ammunition carriers. The original idea was to allow the gun to be more easily packed for transport, and featured a light barrel and bipod when first introduced as the M1919A1. Unfortunately, it quickly became clear that the gun was too heavy to be easily moved, while at the same time too light for sustained fire." (Garrison, Gene, Unless Victory Comes, NAI Press (2004), ISBN 9780451222244, 1932033300, p.8 )
Therefore, the M1919, like the M2HB was NOT a GPMG. :)
BTW, the designers of the M60---in looking for a possible successor to replace the BAR and the M1919---got it all wrong. The reduced firing rate was more the result of the gas-operated, open bolt design (combined from both the FG42 and MG42---two entirely different weapon systems) than anything else. A higher rate of fire would have necessitated a higher amount of barrel changes and might also have lead to faster equipment deterioration. The M60's a difficult monster with a very fragile leaf-spring clip, an awkward safety mechanism, and was prone to jamming in the field--along with other malfunctions. Nowadays, it is being supplemented in the US Military by the M240 and M249 SAW (based on the FN Mag and FN Minimi, which are just two of the more reliable and better-designed descendants of the MG42).
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Always got to prove us forum people wrong with your fancy pancy facts...
Just kidding, its a forum and when theirs a forum theirs probably someone wrong and theirs got to be someone to correct it ;)
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Always got to prove us forum people wrong with your fancy pancy facts...
Just kidding, its a forum and when theirs a forum theirs probably someone wrong and theirs got to be someone to correct it ;)
LOL ;D ... No worries, I just thought that the whole comparison was a bit unfair, since technically only one weapon (MG42) really qualified as a GPMG, while all the others were either HMGs, Medium-MGs (M1919) or LMGs. Perhaps we should remove the "GPMG" emphasis altogether...
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Hurray! .50 Cal!
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If you do that than the arguement has no guidlines .
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As shown above...
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I'd say MG42, no doubt.
It's design is still used in modern Mg's, and it had overall advantages.
although the massive fire rate may have been just a little too much.
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6 for US M2HB , 25 for MG42...... Victory !
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I think we know whats won then..
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I think we know whats won then..
The most produced WWII MG today is of course the best.
M2 is used so widelly becouse it was chosen by men that know more about guns than anyone on this forum.
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Which happens to be you :)
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I think we know whats won then..
The most produced WWII MG today is of course the best.
I have a problem with that statement , just because somehthing is the most produced doesnt mean it was the best.
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Actually is sorta is.
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he's right for about 50%, if a gun is produced in large numbers, it is the best gun a country uses at that moment.
However, the US tried to make a copy of the MG42 themselves, which failed due to a failed design.
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They tried to make it a super version, and failed/.
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he's right for about 50%, if a gun is produced in large numbers, it is the best gun a country uses at that moment.
However, the US tried to make a copy of the MG42 themselves, which failed due to a failed design.
Because they tried combining key components from what they thought were the best available German weapons. The mashed-up design which eventually became the M60 was an EPIC FAIL on their part. At least the Soviets got it right with the StG44 >> AK47... the Americans were still using technically the same WW2 firearms in Korea and Vietnam (early Vietnam war). Ironically, the antique MG42s and DshKs used by the NVA and VC outperformed the Americans' M60s, M1919s and Stoner 63 LMGs in the field.
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he's right for about 50%, if a gun is produced in large numbers, it is the best gun a country uses at that moment.
However, the US tried to make a copy of the MG42 themselves, which failed due to a failed design.
Because they tried combining key components from what they thought were the best available German weapons. The mashed-up design which eventually became the M60 was an EPIC FAIL on their part. At least the Soviets got it right with the StG44 >> AK47... the Americans were still using technically the same WW2 firearms in Korea and Vietnam (early Vietnam war). Ironically, the antique MG42s and DshKs used by the NVA and VC outperformed the Americans' M60s, M1919s and Stoner 63 LMGs in the field.
Didn't the M60 actually become rather (or at least somewhat) reliable when they made the E3 version right before it was replaced by the M240?
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Yea, rather very useful.
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he's right for about 50%, if a gun is produced in large numbers, it is the best gun a country uses at that moment.
However, the US tried to make a copy of the MG42 themselves, which failed due to a failed design.
Because they tried combining key components from what they thought were the best available German weapons. The mashed-up design which eventually became the M60 was an EPIC FAIL on their part. At least the Soviets got it right with the StG44 >> AK47... the Americans were still using technically the same WW2 firearms in Korea and Vietnam (early Vietnam war). Ironically, the antique MG42s and DshKs used by the NVA and VC outperformed the Americans' M60s, M1919s and Stoner 63 LMGs in the field.
Didn't the M60 actually become rather (or at least somewhat) reliable when they made the E3 version right before it was replaced by the M240?
The M60E3 was an improvement, however the M240 performed better in the field. Honestly, the E3 variant was long overdue IMO.
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heh, i'd perfer a FN Mimmini to a M240 or M60E3 Anyday.
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The M60 wasn't only based on the MG42, it's design was also heavily influenced by the FG42, which is among the most advanced designs of the Second World War.
Unfortunately, the weapon wasn't produced in large quantities, and isn't among the commonly known weapons of its time.
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It was late war, late 1944
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Wasn't the FG42 produced for the invasion of Crete when Germany declared war on Greece? That was early in the war.
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was produced AFTEr the germans soo what happend on greece, first used mid-war in the commando raid to rescue Benito Mousolini.
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Am thinking of the lastest version with improved sights, sorry if I added any confusion.
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Luckily, the Germans commonly included (like most countries did) the design year in the full description of weapons, so there shouldn't be much confusion about the right years.
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Very little information about mass prodused MGs
(http://werstrelok.ru/images/pulemet/mg-42.jpg)
MG42
Rate of fire
800-1500
Range
1000m
bullet speed
730-740m/s
(http://w-war2.narod.ru/images/174.jpg)
M2 browning
ROF
450-600
Range
1800
Bullet speed
855=895
(http://www.weaponplace.ru/images/dshk.gif)
DSHK
ROF
600
Range
3500m
Bullet speed
850-870
(http://www.weaponplace.ru/images/gorunov_guns.jpg)
Goryunov MG
ROF
500-700
Range
2500
Bullet speed
800
(http://www.weaponplace.ru/images/maxim_guns.jpg)
Maksim
ROF
300
Range
2700
Bullet speed
800-865
(http://copypast.ru/uploads/posts/thumbs/1241462544_dp.jpg)
(http://www.weaponplace.ru/images/762_dpm_rp46s.jpg)
DP
ROF
600
Range
(effective) 800-900
Bullet speed
840
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Where did you get the range stats?
Dou you really belive that MG 42 had less than 3 times range of the DSHK?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't DshK intended to serve as Anti-Aircraft machine-gun? For that purpose you need a very long effective range to be efficient at least at low altitude.
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Maybe, but it does seem strange that all the Russian MGs have further ranges than the other guns, especially considering the poster.
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DSHK manual & constructors book & 12,5mm MG manual
altitude maximum 2500m
sighting distance 3500m
Ammo 12,7х108 мм
rate of fire (maximum) 600 sh/s
battle rate of fire 125 sh/s
Armor pearsing ammo can penetrate (B-30)
500 m - Steel of 16mm
100 m - Steel of 20mm
(http://russianguns.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dshk_002.jpg)
Post Merge: September 29, 2010, 06:43:15 AM
DS-39 (1939 PRODUSED)
sighting distance with heavy bullet 3000m
sighting distance with light bullet 2500m
Ammo 7,62х54 мм
rate of fire (maximum) 600-1200 sh/s
battle rate of fire 300 sh/s
(http://russianguns.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/DS003.jpg)
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What i've been wanting to know since the beginning of coh.. why do the americans have the watercooled m1917 in coh instead of the aircooled m1919? wasn't the m1919 used more often? and much more known than the m1917..?
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m1917 was used heavily just as much as the M1919A6, but i see your point.
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What i've been wanting to know since the beginning of coh.. why do the americans have the watercooled m1917 in coh instead of the aircooled m1919? wasn't the m1919 used more often? and much more known than the m1917..?
Can be ... Water cooled Browning was used during first battles of war ... mostly on the Pacific theater. Firdt battles was the most memorized ... i think. That's why ...
Later models is marked with ... machine & armor placed mostly ... Thats periods of war was most memorized for Amy's machine of war for programmers & advisors.
It's logical series.
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yeah but coh is placed in 1944..
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You could really ask that question for a LOT of things on CoH.
Why the Schwimmwagen instead of the much more common Kubelwagen?
They chose the Schwimmwagen, yet it can't even swim through the water. The Kubelwagen would have been a more logical choice.
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You could really ask that question for a LOT of things on CoH.
Why the Schwimmwagen instead of the much more common Kubelwagen?
I think the answer to that question is the same that "why the pershing?" or "why the bergetiger?".
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Exactly. Just because they thought it was cool, or they liked it, or they wanted to. :P
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They chose the Schwimmwagen, yet it can't even swim through the water.
Schwimm moves thru shallow water with 0,8 of its normal speed. Most vechicles slow down to 0,3 of their normal speed.
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I still would want the Kubelwagon better... I love its name!
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ohyeah, stupid me, stupid question xD
i actually would've loved the m1919, i think it's a much better looking gun
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There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.
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oh rly? is there mod that has incorporated it?
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Battle o' The Bulge.
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Schwimm moves thru shallow water with 0,8 of its normal speed. Most vechicles slow down to 0,3 of their normal speed.
True, but they could have just used the Kubelwagen and had the same result, due to the Kubelwagen's flat underbelly. It would also make sense due to the fact that the Kubelwagen cannot go float in deep water while the Schwimm can.
There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.
Man, that would have been neat to have. They should make it available as an upgrade for those who's purchased BAR's. That would be pretty cool.
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There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.
Man, that would have been neat to have. They should make it available as an upgrade for those who's purchased BAR's. That would be pretty cool.
It would be cool, but I think quite OP as well. But thats just my opinion.
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BK mod has the 1919A6 aswell , it comes as a rifle upgrade. ( volks get an MG34 ;) )
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I cant vote for some strange reason but my vote goes for others. ^^
And then I would say the russian RPD. Fires the great 7.62x39mm caliber and simpel design ^^
Edit: Now I voted for others :3
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Battle o' The Bulge.
yeah there's an icon, but have you ever zoomed in on that squad?
it's a mg42 model..
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It's not.. I've zoomed in, It's Cleary a '1919. You patched up?
Post Merge: October 03, 2010, 11:15:54 PM
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Sk8tr , Ive had a similiar issue with BK , they added the MG34 and 1919 , when your settings are low they overla , giving it an MG 34/1919 look with a quad stand. It should fix if you increase your graphic settings.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/628d57df72.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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Hmm, true, when i'm on low, the 1919 doesn't even appear (Same with DP-28)
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High range of the soviet MG,s ...
Most MG's of the Soviet army have been ordered by the RKKA command for the designer bureau for the multiple perpose ...
Anti-aircraft capability, high fire support capability, using for the defence & attack perpose to pinned down & other.
Maxim MG have been modified in 1930 years ... during war maxin have been easily used for AA, anti-infantry ...
(http://www.diorama.ru/_img/content//gallery/840/photo.jpg)
(http://artofwar.ru/img/c/chekmarew_w_a/text_0690/gaz111.jpg)
Maxim MG modified ...
(http://commi.narod.ru/txt/tm/7309.jpg)
Degtyarev MG ... have been used AA, AI, & via aircraft turret ...
(http://weapon.at.ua/images/statyi/orugeyniki/Neizvestniy_Degtyarev-5.jpg)
Infantry ...
(http://commi.narod.ru/txt/tm/7305.jpg)
Aircraft turret modification ...
(http://commi.narod.ru/txt/tm/7307.jpg)
DSHK
AA using
(http://zvezda.org.ru/images/sets/3609.gif)
Armoring Train MG AA installation
(http://army.lv/uploads/1233740619.08.jpg)
Infantry platoon crew weapon
(http://www.oruzie.su/images/stories/pulemety/dshk.JPG)
For that perposes soviet MGs must have a wide range first ... most of them must have lightweight, because mechanased, tank, infantry battalions must have easy carried AA & other installations & others.
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It's not.. I've zoomed in, It's Cleary a '1919. You patched up?
Post Merge: October 03, 2010, 11:15:54 PM
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yeah i patched up.. but i will try what akalanor said.. i don't really have a good computer, so i hope it'll be without too much framedrop..
otherwise i'll just have to live with a mg42 instead of m1919 :P
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Sk8tr , Ive had a similiar issue with BK , they added the MG34 and 1919 , when your settings are low they overla , giving it an MG 34/1919 look with a quad stand. It should fix if you increase your graphic settings.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/628d57df72.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
thank you my man, it worked!
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If someone could hold those two guns and fire them both..
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Stop watching Rambo :P
Rambo would easily get killed by the German Stormtroopers of WWII.
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You would be easily kill if a child found a rock...
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why don't you try that out?
find a rock! ;D
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Ahem , B1 battle droids have blastere rifles :P and OOM-9 was an AAT commander , so enjoy napalm missles !
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Thanks for the completely irrelevant star wars info lol.
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not many people like real star wars these days, not that cartoon crap , but real star wars ;( it saddens me.
BTT
Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?
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Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?
<crickets chirping>
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Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?
<crickets chirping>
+1
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Me, .50 call is way better, it could blow up light tanks.
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Played Day of Defeat:Source today for the first time in 2 years and remembered the awesomeness of MG42s. In other news, exams suck.
Yes I'm bored.
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Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops D:
@Seeme, What happens when the infantry wave comes ? Thats right , you die from low RoF
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Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops D:
I don't have it either :P
yet.. ^^
but seeing the footage put up yesterday, it seems it will be a noob, camp, knife fest.. so i don't know if it's even worth buying.. better play coh or battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam when it comes out =D
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Its just going to be another Modern Warfare with some new cheesy features to steal no-lifers money because they beat the other games 100 million times.
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I'm gonna buy it after exams. I'm hoping it's a return to the quality of WaW and CoD4 and not a disgusting piece of shit like MW2.
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Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops D:
I don't have it either :P
yet.. ^^
but seeing the footage put up yesterday, it seems it will be a noob, camp, knife fest.. so i don't know if it's even worth buying.. better play coh or battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam when it comes out =D
I dont have it either ^^"
Like GodlikeDennis I have exams and I want to have something really fun to play, not like MW2. And anyway, I am now playing RO for a while, which is incredibly funnier than COD. I am waiting for RO2, hope its not a crap casual game for playstation and others xbox...
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I want to Get RO, but I don't know where to get it.
Anyway we are going off-topic and blackbishop loves closing things like this.
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I want to Get RO, but I don't know where to get it.
Anyway we are going off-topic and blackbishop loves closing things like this.
You can find it on Steam at 9.99 € at the moment.
I also play at RO...c u online :D
SORRY FOR OT
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RO is probably the best Shooter around right now. Nice mix of Realism and gameplay.
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Ahem , B1 battle droids have blastere rifles :P and OOM-9 was an AAT commander , so enjoy napalm missles !
Meh, B-1's suck. I was one in a Star wars roleplay.
Problem is every person chooses Jedi or Sith, so you get pretty f'd.
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Wasn't the FG42 produced for the invasion of Crete when Germany declared war on Greece? That was early in the war.
No. German paras jumped out of the plane with pistols only! and picked other weapons from supply drops.
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Wasn't the FG42 produced for the invasion of Crete when Germany declared war on Greece? That was early in the war.
No. German paras jumped out of the plane with pistols only! and picked other weapons from supply drops.
...which, due to "genius" strategic planning, often landed far from the DZs and into the welcoming arms of local partisans (the crates usually contained extra ammo, supplies, rifles and support weapons such as MGs and mortars). :P These were during the earlier stages.
The FG42 was actually conceived some time later (after Crete) as the need for a lightweight selective-fire weapon firing a larger cartridge with better stopping power compared to the MP40's 9mm Parabellum round arose. They were purposefully designed to be light enough so that they could be lugged around easily and carried as personal weapons by the paratroopers during a "jump", without having them dropped in special munitions crates (a rather practical request made by Göring). So, in a sense, it was also intended as a "universal replacement" for the various standard infantry firearms which the Fallschirmjägers used in Crete. However, I wouldn't recommend firing it full-auto from the hip, I tried doing that once in a re-enactment and received a crapload of bruises as a result. The bipod is there for a very good reason.
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:o :o
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Well, you can't say what's the ''Best'' Machinegun. Every machinegun were good on their own roles, with their own tactics.
MG34 and MG42 were both very good multi-purpose machineguns, but you can't forget stuff like Bren, which was light, accurate, didn't overheat so it didn't need changeable barrel like the MG42 (and sometimes MG34) needed and also it is more faster to reload a 30 cartridge mag into the weapon.
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I voted MG-34, a generally reliable weapon, with a solid combat record and served on all fronts and in all sorts of roles until 1945. I also consider the MG-42 more as a LMG.
Also the MG-34 is considered the world's first GPMG.
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I agree, but the MG-34 was overall not at all as good as the MG-42, which was indeed more of an LMG, but don't think it was weak ;D.
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Both your notions that the MG42 is "more of an LMG" whereas the MG34 isn't are completely misguided. Both are GPMGs and can thusly be used in both the HMG and the LMG role.
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sorry, i didn't intend to say it's an LMG, the weapon is surely an GPMG, but has much more characteristics of an LMG when it's handled. :)
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How so? It doesn't even have a drum magazine like the Mg34 had. Sorry, but I just don't see how one can make such a differentiation between two so similar weapons of the same breeding.
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it didn't had a drum mag, but the drum was replaced with a special container which held an 50-round belt.
and I'm not saying the 42 was an LMG, it just had more of an LMG's handling and was sadly not capable of vehicle mounting, due to it's rapid overheating.
what I'm trying to say here, although the 34 and the 42 are of the same breed, their very different from each other, and the 42 simply proofed to be superior in most roles.
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I'm still not convinced. The point about vehicle mounting is obviously false (Just look at the Halftracks or the AA-MG on tanks), but I suppose you were referring to tanks in the coax and radio operator role where the MG34 was indeed preferred. That still doesn't mean the MG42 couldn't have been used, and tbh I wouldn't bet on it that there were absolutely no tanks with a Mg42 coax. While I'm far from an expert I'd guess the MG34 was used there because it was available and it wouldn't have most of its jamming problems from dust and dirt. While a bit far fetched, the Leopards also have MG3 coax's so its not like its impossible. With a vehicle mounting you also have less weight constrains, permitting a heavier barrel which will alleviate overheating issues.
Anyway, my point is, they aren't very different from each other if you are referring to their role. They don't have a different handling. How would you even account for that? How does the MG42 have an LMG handling and the Mg34 does not? They both feed from the same side,they only feed from belts(whereas a typical LMG feeds from drums or magazines), they allow for quick barrel changes(whereas some LMG wouldn't), they don't have carrying handles or provisions, they can't be fired from the shoulder(whereas some LMGs can). Where is the difference in their handling? The Mg42 is 2 kilos lighter, but weight doesn't make an LMG it's the tactical employment. Indeed I'd say they are exactly the same in their tactical capabilites and their employment. Both were used on vehicles, on tripods and and on bipods. The MG42 is just the successor to the MG34, an evolution to the concept.
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wait why are HMG's in this a GPMG was supposed to combine the roles of a light and medium machine gun not just be a good machine gun in its primary role and no way on earth is something like the Browning .50 cal able to be used as a light machine gun so therefore it is a HMG not a MMG, LMG, or GPMG seriously learn the definiotions of the 4 types of machine guns
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Concerning the vehicle mounting, I was talking about the MG42 being used for tanks, which wasn't possible, because of it's design.....the MG3 is a newer and better design, remember.
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MG42 FTW!!!!
Not only its good power, but the morale. Once the Yanks and Tommies hear that, they get pretty scared
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Yes, MG42 is best. But I really love the DP-28. As other members stated, it is very impressive MG 42 is still in service. Although it's called the MG 3, which is revised (although not the best way to put it), is still used by the German Army.
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Yes, MG42 is best. But I really love the DP-28. As other members stated, it is very impressive MG 42 is still in service. Although it's called the MG 3, which is revised (although not the best way to put it), is still used by the German Army.
me too :D
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dp-28 best sorry german
how long was this poll take to research? :o
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how long was this poll take to research? :o
It is the fortune, it is the order of all those disscussions of that kind.
I already post the basic characteristics of geman & soviet MGs ... it is not inought. All examples must be posted for quotes with basic stats, examples of combat effectiveness ect.
It is the mind of forum members all over the world. Need to be listened. Their voice must be important like these kind of thread. Question-thread take a chance to voute everyone, include not specialist.
Maxim MG. Serve to the army all over the war. & not only infantry support weapon.
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Well, you can't say what's the ''Best'' Machinegun. Every machinegun were good on their own roles, with their own tactics.
QFTl, nothing to add.
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Dont overheat like youre MG would. ;D
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too bad you can change the barrel very easily :P
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I love the Jap Type 99 LMG as its my fav WWII overall weapon, but I dont think it was a huge difference maker like the MG42, so the latter gets my vote.
Post Merge: June 29, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
BTW is the FG42 considered a Assault rifle or a LMG, because its similar to the BAR in that it uses rifle cartridges, low cap magazines and incorporates a bipod.
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The poll says it all. No one voted for any Jap MG, only only one taker for French ones
while 63% voted for the MG42. The FG42 was designed for paratroopers and used by them. The Americans tried to combine both the MG42 & FG42 and ended up with the M60. The rest is history. ;D