Company of Heroes: Eastern Front

Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => General Discussion => Topic started by: spparty on August 15, 2010, 07:57:39 AM

Title: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: spparty on August 15, 2010, 07:57:39 AM
question 1:
ISU-152 has a skill called "animal killer", what's the function of it?  It seemed that the skill only extend the field of view slightly.

question 2:
ISU-152 & Jagdtiger,which is stronger?
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: AbhMkh on August 15, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
I havent done this ISU 152 vs Jagdtiger as yet but ISU 152 requires some skill to be handled effectively


Its like a "LARGE" field gun , capable of destroying most tanks in 2 hits , but it can be circle strafed easily hence it requires a great deal of support , however you can use it to smash your way through to the enemy base , it is effectively a breakthrough assault tank
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Blackbishop on August 15, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
ISU-152' skill "animal killer", try to work as a marder lock down, but with the same reload time and accuracy, correct me if I'm wrong :).
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 15, 2010, 10:38:18 PM
@ Question number 2.

Anyone could win. It depends on skills, how well surrported, if any bounce, etc
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: GreenApple on August 15, 2010, 10:49:34 PM
I guess, ...

ISU-152 > Panther
ISU-152 > Tiger
ISU-152 > Jagdpanther
ISU-152 < Kingtiger
ISU-152 < Jagdtiger

Certainly CoH.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 16, 2010, 12:51:48 AM
I find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: spparty on August 16, 2010, 03:29:48 AM
I havent done this ISU 152 vs Jagdtiger as yet but ISU 152 requires some skill to be handled effectively


Its like a "LARGE" field gun , capable of destroying most tanks in 2 hits , but it can be circle strafed easily hence it requires a great deal of support , however you can use it to smash your way through to the enemy base , it is effectively a breakthrough assault tank

So does the Jagdtiger
They have the similar firepower,range,accuracy,speed and poor reload time(I haven't tested their armor yet)

Difference:
ISU-152 has a special skill but Jagdtiger hasn't
Jagdtiger's barrel can rotate in a small angle but ISU-152's cannot
Any more?
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 16, 2010, 03:31:58 AM
Jadgpanther reloads alot faster then ISU 152.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: GreenApple on August 16, 2010, 03:36:45 AM
ISU-152 can not shoot while moving.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 16, 2010, 03:38:21 AM
So forget retreating while shooting.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: spparty on August 16, 2010, 03:40:12 AM
ISU-152' skill "animal killer", try to work as a marder lock down, but with the same reload time and accuracy, correct me if I'm wrong :).

The skill explanation do not explain the effect of the skill clearly.

Here is the Eastern Front Mod Offical Forums. I hope the mod designer could see this post and give us some offical explanations

Post Merge: August 15, 2010, 07:44:48 PM
Jadgpanther reloads alot faster then ISU 152.
It's Jadgtiger, not the Jadgpanther ;)

Post Merge: August 15, 2010, 07:49:25 PM
ISU-152 can not shoot while moving.
So forget retreating while shooting.

It's a big problem,I just forgot it
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Kolaris on August 16, 2010, 03:52:27 AM
The Animal Killer ability doesn't work atm. I'm not sure if the intention is to fix it or to remove it though.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: AbhMkh on August 16, 2010, 04:13:53 AM
The ISU-152's ambush ability is bugged , it needs to be fixed


ISU-152 is chiefly a TD , however it should be supported

IN a 1vs 1 match

"ISU-152 is superior to all super-heavy German tanks except the Jagdtiger which i haven't tested as yet "


When used with repair support , it can be used to draw heavy fire and while it is being fired upon , you can use either your AT guns or supporting tanks to destroy what is firing on it , like a couple of marders or panthers ( these are the usual counters for soviet heavy tanks)
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Zerstörer on August 17, 2010, 10:11:32 AM
I'm pretty sure a KT/Jagdpanther both beat it...but only just
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: AbhMkh on August 17, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
we have  to find out the stats , interesting problem

can anyone post the following

HP
Reload time
penetration of each

I think the ISU-152 would be the winner
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Raider217 on August 17, 2010, 12:48:54 PM
The ISU loses out to king tiger so possibly JagdTiger as well :S
Eastern Front Soviet vs Axis Armor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAytBxUiOIc#ws)
Not my video but shows that King will beat it convincingly I am aware its an older patch, also what exactly does the JagdTiger have over the King Tiger anyway health/ damage?
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: GodlikeDennis on August 17, 2010, 01:16:30 PM
All I know is that the Jagdtiger has 1600 health compared to the KT's 2100 and has an AMAZING main gun against enemy tanks. It has not turret though, which is a big negative. Still, the gun does 250 damage or something and always penetrates. I think it might have Jagdpanther armour too, which is worse than the KT's "Tiger -20" armour I believe.

That video is completely inaccurate. You can see some of the tanks start on low health with engine damage. Also, a single battle will never be representative of the overall comparison. You would have to redo the battle at least 30 times to get a good result. Or just use the simulator program someone made.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Raider217 on August 17, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
That video is completely inaccurate. You can see some of the tanks start on low health with engine damage.
If you went through to youtube you'd see he has edited the video's so that only the result was shown otherwise it would be ALOT longer, also this is a rough 1v1 scenario of course situations could differ depending on bounce etc but this just gives an idea of the differences
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 17, 2010, 03:10:52 PM
Not in the reload time.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Kolaris on August 17, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
Wow, the ISU-152 OHK's Pumas. That is...excessive. Even for its reload time.
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: Seeme on August 17, 2010, 06:36:48 PM
Things wrong with that video:

-Did not start with full health

-Not right damage(Su-100 killing a tiger 1 shot in the front)

-Old patch

-Usually people don't have tank battles where you put your tanks right on front of each other...

Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: AbhMkh on August 17, 2010, 06:58:49 PM
FAKE :P
Title: Re: Some questions about ISU-152
Post by: GodlikeDennis on August 17, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Even if it's edited to be shorter, a single test isn't representative of the average battle between the two. The tank simulator program is a much more accurate way of testing the strength of the units. Also, range and turret/no turret are EXTREMELY important factors in tank battles (and even sometimes accuracy) which that clip did not show.

Wow, the ISU-152 OHK's Pumas. That is...excessive. Even for its reload time.

It is if it's still like that. It wasn't in this patch though so who knows if the ISU has been nerfed since then. This is definitely something to test.