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Title: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 24, 2010, 06:38:38 PM
(http://www.easternfront.org/uploads/WartyX/osth.png)

The Infanterie Gruppen Post

You can recruit infantry support here. The Infanterie Gruppen Post is the backbone of your army; this building allows you to call in your early support units and basic infantry units, such as the Landser.

The Ostheer use a special new way to build their units. The Ostheer is able to switch its unit-pool for different battle-situations. The building units are divided by Light Assault(LA) units and Light Support(LS) units.

That means: each building had at least three units to select from. 1 is always buildable. An upgrade switches which of the other 2 units can currently be built, switching between Pool 1 and Pool 2 - for a price...

The units that belong to LA are the MG-34 Team and the Marksman.

The units that belong to LS are the FlaK 38 Team and the Ofenrohr Truppen.

The Landser is a neutral unit, you can recruit them whatever you choose.

Units deployable:

Landser
Role: Infantry
Weapons: 5xKar98.
Abilities: Sandbags, Grenade.
Upgrades: Feldwebel.
Summary: Early infrantry of the Ostheer... these soldiers armed with Kar98k rifles will serve you faithfully during the match. As they use those bolt rifles they are good firing at long distance, however you can promote one soldier to Sargeant w/StG44 and it's combat effectiveness in medium range will increase. They won't fair well in close combat fights.

This unit can build sandbags from scratch. Throw Grenade ability will be available when Feldwebel upgrade is researched.

Marksman
Abilities: Sneak.
Weapons: StG-44 scoped.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: The marksman wields an StG-44, has similar traits to a normal sniper except that he'll dispatch their enemies from medium/short (not long) distance and has higher rate of fire. Sneak allows the marksman to move cloaked like any other sniper, but while he's hiding he cannot fire. Remember this before engaging.

MG-34 Team
Role: Infantry Support
Weapons: 1xMG34 + 2xKar98.
Abilities: None.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: This support team carries a MG34, set on a tripod and it's crew members wields kar98ks. Ideal for supporting your landsers or/and marksman(or marksmen). Let's welcome those soviets with a rain of lead!

Ofenrohr Truppen
Role: Anti-Tank Support
Weapons:  2x Panzerschreck 43 + 2x Luger Pistole 08
Abilities: Sandbags, Reload Focus.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: Early AT infrantry of the Ostheer, they use the early version, the RPzB 43. Activating Reload Focus makes them shoot with more precision and reduces the reload time but decrease the speed of the unit and makes them more vulnerable to enemy fire. They must be stationary to fire and have the ability to build sandbags as well.

Flugabwehrkanone 38 - FlaK 38
Role: Heavy Anti-Infantry.
Weapons: 2cm Flak 38 + 2x Luger Pistole 08 (4 men in total).
Abilities: Fire Position.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: The FlaK 38 is a light anti-aircraft weapon carried by a 4 man squad, ready to support your troops as anti-infantry support. Fire position grants the weapon more precision while losing mobility... as seen on TV! (Except for the part when it dismembered some soldiers).

Upgrades available:

Light Assault
Summary: Enables the production of Marksmen and MG teams. When you active LA, the FlaK 38 and Ofenrohr Truppen are disabled.

Light Support
Summary: Enables the production of Ofenrohr Truppen and FlaK 38 teams. When you active LS, MG teams and marksmen are disabled.

You can purchase both upgrades whenever you want(as long as you have resources of course), but only one can be active at time.

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: patronsaintescort on December 24, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
I can't see any pictures! Great job btw
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Walentin 'Walki' L. on December 24, 2010, 07:04:25 PM
flak 38 teams... wow Faces of War style :D.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Max 'DonXavi' von B. on December 24, 2010, 07:12:45 PM
Really nice, now my Christmas presents are complete  ;D

Finally there are Schrecks? I thought you decided to leave them out.

But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 24, 2010, 07:35:53 PM
I can't see any pictures! Great job btw
No model was ready to be present at the deadline :(.

Really nice, now my Christmas presents are complete  ;D

Finally there are Schrecks? I thought you decided to leave them out.

But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?
I thought so, but was mistaken, at least not normal shrecks but the earlier model.
It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Max 'DonXavi' von B. on December 24, 2010, 08:26:50 PM
But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?
It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.

You mean PAK38 right?  :P Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 24, 2010, 08:33:59 PM
But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?
It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.

You mean PAK38 right?  :P Thanks for the explanation.
Yeah, I meant PaK 38 :).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: cephalos on December 24, 2010, 08:34:06 PM
or maybe the PaK40 is going to be included ::) ?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Max 'DonXavi' von B. on December 24, 2010, 08:53:44 PM
or maybe the PaK40 is going to be included ::) ?
That was my first thought, too..
I bet it will be in the next update.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Walentin 'Walki' L. on December 24, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
A pak40 emplacment would be nice like the british 17 punder :D.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: revoluzer on December 24, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
Congratulation, you are in the top 5 of MOTY   :D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: vadlama on December 24, 2010, 09:57:02 PM
will be there any changes in the 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post? I mean if you choose LA, then you see a flag, and when you choose LS then you see a radar or something, so we see what we can "summon" without clicking on it. btw nice update, and merry christmas to you guys
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: nico97one on December 24, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
Just a question, if you build 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post, both have the same upgrade ? Or each Infanterie Gruppen Post has a different upgrade ?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Ts4EVER on December 24, 2010, 11:26:19 PM
Sounds very good, however, if it is at all possible, I would like you to reconsider the StG44 scoped. This weapon was never used. It was only tested once and then discarded for being bad at what it was supposed to do.
However, I suppose you still want this kind of "close range sniper" in? In that case, I would suggest the K98k ZF41:

(http://www.germanmanuals.com/images/ZF41-12.jpg)

With over 10 000 produced, this was the most numerous German sniper rifle. The scope only had a magnification of 1.5x, so it wasn't as effective as a long range sniper rifle, but it was perfect for a marksman to support his squad. Since the K98k model already exists, this should be possible to create, right?

Other than that, I really like how you included some older weapons into the game. It makes you feel like you command a veteran force of "front swine" ;) the new way of buying troops also sounds very interesting and will make for some complicated tactical decisions.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: mawr on December 24, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
probably too late but in will craigs book of stalingrad iread of a group of veteran german soldiers that fought in ww1 an now they are fighting in ww2 i dont know but...


good job and merry Christmas 
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Rikard Blixt on December 24, 2010, 11:55:55 PM
Just a question, if you build 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post, both have the same upgrade ? Or each Infanterie Gruppen Post has a different upgrade ?

They count as global upgrades. Meaning if you activate it in one IGP, all IGP will have it activated. However all IGP must have the same one active, you can't have one IGP with Pool 1 and one with Pool 2.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 25, 2010, 12:26:05 AM
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Desert_Fox on December 25, 2010, 12:38:15 AM
Thanks for this Xmas present.  ;D ;D

It's AWESOME. :D :D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Ts4EVER on December 25, 2010, 01:30:39 AM
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Rikard Blixt on December 25, 2010, 02:02:28 AM
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)

Almost 500,000 StG 44 was built during WW2 (43-45). I'm sure that a fairly large amount of these were equipped with some kind of scope.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Ts4EVER on December 25, 2010, 02:34:54 AM
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)

Almost 500,000 StG 44 was built during WW2 (43-45). I'm sure that a fairly large amount of these were equipped with some kind of scope.

Afaik the only evidence of a scope mount is this picture:

(http://www.gewehr43.com/mp44zf4.jpg)

This was taken on a firing range during testing. After that the project was halted. I think some of the MK42(W) prototypes were fitted with the 1.5x scope and used in the field, but don't quote me on that.

On top of that, only the early MP43/1 version had a scope rail, once mass production started, the rail was deleted. That also hints at a discontinuation of scope use.

On axis history I found this:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=105617&start=0 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=105617&start=0)

Quote
There was No sniper version of the MP.43/1 MP.43 MP.44 StG.44 series. It had been hoped that it would be possible to issue them with scopes and have a sniper version but trials showed that the mount was unstable and shot dispersion was too high.

It was also found that 8mm kurz did not have enough range for a sniper role and that the profile of the MP.43/1 was too high.

So for me that sounds like the K98k ZF41 is the better option tbh.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: TheAllMihtyOne on December 25, 2010, 02:48:44 AM
Well all the other games have scopes on their stg44's  ::)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Versedhorison on December 25, 2010, 03:17:34 AM
this is cool  ;D though a few things

*whats the reason behind landseer only being able to build sand bags and not barbed wire as well?

*Stg44 scoped is awasome

*Imo the support option seems better because you get both an anti tank squad and an anti infantry squad whereas witht the assault option you only get anti infanty options.

I look foward to seeing pics at some point.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: delmar77 on December 25, 2010, 03:58:35 AM
pics dont open!!  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 25, 2010, 04:14:40 AM
pics dont open!!  :'( :'( :'(
There aren't pics yet :-[.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: TheAllMihtyOne on December 25, 2010, 10:27:06 AM
it said that the granade abilety ís only avaible until the feldwebel uppgrade, does this mean wha I think it means? that you have to make a  choise of getting better midrange firepower or tossing granades?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: revoluzer on December 25, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
The only evidence you need:

http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2 (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Red_Stinger on December 25, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Awesome guys!!!! Thank you!!!! :D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Venoxxis on December 25, 2010, 11:42:32 AM
Nice to see some ideas, which were thrown into the ostheer thread 1/2 year ago.

hope to see some models soon  :P



Regards,

-V-
Title: pics??
Post by: zemma on December 25, 2010, 11:56:47 AM
good ideas, definitly
but poorly I cannot see the pictures :(
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 25, 2010, 12:35:18 PM
Sorry. We had no pics at the moment.
We hope to present u pics later.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Rikard Blixt on December 25, 2010, 01:25:55 PM
it said that the granade abilety ís only avaible until the feldwebel uppgrade, does this mean wha I think it means? that you have to make a  choise of getting better midrange firepower or tossing granades?

Typo in the text, should be that grenades are available AFTER the upgrade :>
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Ts4EVER on December 25, 2010, 02:03:16 PM
The only evidence you need:

http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2 (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2)

 ;D

Nice one, but this weapon was more or less included as an easter egg kit (same as the German shotgun) and many mappers don't even use it because of it being historically inaccurate-#.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Ghost on December 25, 2010, 04:26:51 PM
about stg 44/43 with scope:
i did some research and still can't say if it was used or not. there are some sources that say it was and others that say it wasn't.

but i think it's a cool idea and something new making the ostheer sniper unique (though i was hoping for the scoped k98 to be part of the ostheer, maybe as a reward unit or upgrade for elite infantry).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: SublimeSnugz on December 25, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
Personally i don't like the Scoped STG44 either, not that im a sucker for historical accuracy but this just feels wrong to me. And does the Ostheer really need a sniper unit?

Apart from that looks interesting can't wait to see the flak38.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 25, 2010, 07:59:19 PM
Well. Thats the point ;)
The StG-44 "sniper" isnt a real sniper.
He hadnt the range of all the other CoH snipers so he would lose all 1-vs-1 situations with enemy snipers on high range.
This "sniper" is more an "anti infantry specialist"; When u dont watch your soliers he will wipe out your soldiers in a short time.
So out of my view a new kind of unit and hopefully a cool unit on the battlefield (it is one of my most favourite units during the first Ostheer alpha games with Dragon ^^).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: WartyX on December 25, 2010, 08:13:25 PM
The Ostheer Marksman is a highly unique and fun unit in the current alpha-build, because he puts a different spin on the familiar sniper unit. He needs an automatic weapon due to his quick-firing medium-range abilities, so we felt that the StG44 was the best choice, whether it was common or not.

I think we have the K98 sniper rifle reserved for another unit ;)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: SublimeSnugz on December 25, 2010, 10:48:28 PM
The Ostheer Marksman is a highly unique and fun unit in the current alpha-build, because he puts a different spin on the familiar sniper unit. He needs an automatic weapon due to his quick-firing medium-range abilities, so we felt that the StG44 was the best choice, whether it was common or not.

Sure but arent there enough different spins out there for the Sniper unit allready? To me a sniper in medium range = dead sniper.
But since you guys are telling me it works very well in the alpha im gonna trust you blindly and wait n see for myself.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: vadlama on December 26, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?

Post Merge: December 26, 2010, 01:04:14 AM
I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?
SRY ... FAIL, Ostheer have MG34 teams ...
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Rikard Blixt on December 26, 2010, 01:04:34 AM
I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?

Ostheer will have a MG34 rather then a MG42 that Wehrmacht has. Details on what differs is to early to tell, since it will change based on balance.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Aouch on December 26, 2010, 01:33:21 AM
Wow, thanks for this update!  :)

I like the idea of the mid-range sniper unit, however I don't like the scoped StG44. Actually, I don't like the StG44 at all, Feldwebel wielding a MP40 would be way cooler and (probably) more authentic.  ;)

I suppose the MG34 being more like the US-MG: Accurate and deadly, but not as much suppression as the MG42. So it won't be just a "skin" for Wehr-MG-team.


Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on December 26, 2010, 07:44:06 AM
Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Versedhorison on December 26, 2010, 07:46:00 AM
and lower ROF
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: IJoe on December 26, 2010, 07:51:46 AM
And, which is even more important, he's not immune to one-hit sniper kill.  ;D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 26, 2010, 07:53:11 AM
Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.
He is not that tough ::).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on December 26, 2010, 08:29:09 AM
Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.
He is not that tough ::).

Yeah he doesnt have elite armour etc etc but you wouldnt exactly send a lone rifle squad or consripts after either of them would you
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: KILLTEK on December 26, 2010, 12:48:05 PM
wait...so when do we get the new patch and infantry
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on December 26, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
wait...so when do we get the new patch and infantry

Wrong thread this is for Ostheer update not patch 1.30
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: KILLTEK on December 26, 2010, 11:37:39 PM
i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: vadlama on December 27, 2010, 12:31:00 AM
i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P
When it's done!
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Walentin 'Walki' L. on December 27, 2010, 09:58:44 AM
i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P
When it's done!

best answer ever! :D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on December 27, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P
When it's done!
best answer ever! :D
And most common.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: ReckLESS on December 27, 2010, 04:59:59 PM
Stupid questions breed plain answers.

How about that:
-When it's done?
-When you stop asking about it at least for a month.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: giu on December 27, 2010, 06:53:12 PM
Bonsoir a tous je ne sais pas si quelqu un parle francais mais j aimerais savoir comment mettre a jour ef et avoir Ostheer .merci a vous
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 27, 2010, 07:16:37 PM
Bonsoir a tous je ne sais pas si quelqu un parle francais mais j aimerais savoir comment mettre a jour ef et avoir Ostheer .merci a vous
Please post in english so we can understand you :(, perhaps someone who speaks french could help us; but for the part I understand (google translator didn't translate it very well...) the Ostheer is not released yet, but we hope that will be soon.

Our priorities are balance reward brits->release patch 1.30->work in something else for the soviets->release it->...->Ostheer.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 27, 2010, 08:35:50 PM
Well.
Think he said:
Quote
Hello everyone. I dont know if someone is able to understand french but i want to know how i can get EF and the Ostheer.
Okay. I have problems with "aimerais savoir comment mettre" xD

Hadnt talked or wrote french for a long now...
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Red_Stinger on December 27, 2010, 08:49:10 PM
Bonsoir a tous je ne sais pas si quelqu un parle francais mais j aimerais savoir comment mettre a jour ef et avoir Ostheer .merci a vous

I answered by PM.  ;)

Back to topic; the stg44 sniper seem so cool, but I hope it will not be OP. For MG-34 team, well, we will see, but I would have seen ostheer without MG.

I'm glad that there is a landser unit with 5 guys in. I took them for my second ostheer concept, but it was in more complex way; this way is far simpler. Thank you!  :)
I'm also glad that Lord Rommel's idea is taken into account; it's a nice idea, but I wonder if it can work with COH engine (I mean, the fact that a player is able to switch between two pool, is it possible like that?).

Hope to take command of those landser soon! Again, marvelous work!

Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 27, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: Red_Stinger
I'm also glad that Lord Rommel's idea is taken into account; it's a nice idea, but I wonder if it can work with COH engine (I mean, the fact that a player is able to switch between two pool, is it possible like that?).
Already working in Ostheer alpha.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: cephalos on December 27, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
Alpha? It's like the beta of beta  ???
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Rikard Blixt on December 27, 2010, 11:12:54 PM
Alpha? It's like the beta of beta  ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Development)

Should give you some idea...
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: 40oz on December 28, 2010, 02:08:51 AM
I know its still all in developpment but it seems to me like this will be another "brit vs PE" match-up style, where ruskies pack a huge punch, tough units and numbers and all axis have is speed? if i'm wrong then your welcome to correct me ( if your a dev, that is).

Also, im FKN HAPPY to see that you've included the AA gun that appeared in Saving Private Ryan that mowed down the american soldiers nading the Tiger :P, now if you guys can actually make it dissmember ppl, ill buy you all a beer haha. Good job guys, keep it up!
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 28, 2010, 02:32:46 AM
Watching the current state of the Ostheer I don't think is like that. I think is more like US vs Wehr&PE.

However, I think all axis based factions are based on quality over quantity; hence EF Devs thought the Ostheer in that way.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: khaitheman222 on December 28, 2010, 01:12:54 PM
Basically the ostheer marksman is like a sniper armed with a auto sniper?? i have try using theStG 44 with its scope in FPS like MOH:airborne.. Good mid range weapon that offers more range than unscoped rifles, yet does more damage than Submachine guns and a still acurrate
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: cephalos on December 28, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
I have question: can you make the Landser wearing helmets and caps? I know that strange question, but I'm really sick off seeing clones in one squad  :)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: IJoe on December 28, 2010, 01:23:09 PM
I have question: can you make the Landser wearing helmets and caps? I know that strange question, but I'm really sick off seeing clones in one squad  :)

Technically, there's nothing hard to it. You are seeing clones for the mere sake of not letting you to get lost on the battlefield (amongst different types of infantry).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Griptonix on December 28, 2010, 05:04:31 PM
Now when I take my STG 44 mid-range sniper into combat, will he be as weak as a regular sniper or will he have a bit more health since he has to be closer to the enemy.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: vadlama on December 28, 2010, 05:35:44 PM
I have some question too
1.:The AA gun can damage a tank (sherman especially, not the heavy ones)?
2.:I think at least 1 of you developer guys tried the "Battle of the bulge" mod. So there is the infantry uniforms, they are not clones. Should be the same for Ostheers? Or like in Call of Duty, 1-1 is white, 1-1 is grey, 1 with a cap, 1 with a helmet.
3.:do you release another release note before 2011???  ;D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 28, 2010, 05:58:37 PM
1- I think that weapon will do less damage to tanks than PE's Flakvierling.
2-The team already thought of it, the skins for ostheer will be unique as well.
3-I don't know if the patch 1.30 will be ready before new year's eve :(

Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: SirKuggorna on December 28, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Have you made any voice acting for Ostheer or have you just copied voice material from Wehr and PE? I would really like to hear some different voice acting than T-34 speaking about Shermans. Plus IF you do the voice acting yourself can you put some humour in it like Schwimmwagens "Don't let any Volksgrenadiers in, they can't Schwimm"?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Red_Stinger on December 28, 2010, 06:55:50 PM
3.:do you release another release note before 2011???  ;D

I dont think it will be ready for a while; dev also have a life, and I really hope they are enjoying their free time rather than working "non-stop" on the next patch, though these vacation are probably the last time I could myself enjoy the patch.  :P
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: vadlama on December 28, 2010, 08:43:35 PM
maybe I wrote it bad, but I question only for the next ostheer update
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: golbez on December 28, 2010, 08:59:17 PM
Is the stg44 sniper going to be that Vampir nachtjager?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G. on December 28, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
No.
The StG44 use a ZF 4 - no vampire night sight.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on December 28, 2010, 09:11:03 PM
maybe I wrote it bad, but I question only for the next ostheer update
The next ostheer sneaky peeky will be posted around january 15 of 2011. And that will be the february update that we promised if EF could get at the top 5.

Then the next update will be on march.

Top 100-> January update posted on December. No January update.
Top 5 -> February update will be posted on January. No update on February.

On the bright side, february has 28 days :).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: golbez on December 28, 2010, 09:15:10 PM
 ;) maybe Soviet snipers should get this...

(http://www.ppsh41.com/Ppsh-ir.jpg)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: IJoe on December 28, 2010, 09:29:33 PM
A katiusha (Stalin's organ) scoped automatic rifle would do better IMO  :D
But in this case landsers definitely need dora sub-machine guns  ;D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Desert_Fox on December 28, 2010, 09:34:13 PM
;) maybe Soviet snipers should get this...

(http://www.ppsh41.com/Ppsh-ir.jpg)

Uncontrollable  :o :o
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: otto man on December 30, 2010, 07:12:06 AM
I like these updates, i dont know why people keep ranting on and on about this german snipers weapon. It clearly says "Role: Marksman"
Marksman, in my opinion, are trained men with a degree of a accuracy. This OpDef fits perfectly with the Stg-44 scoped.

Besides Call of Duty WAW has a stg-44, one of its attachments is a telescopic scope  8)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Pathfinder777 on December 30, 2010, 07:56:15 AM
;) maybe Soviet snipers should get this...

(http://www.ppsh41.com/Ppsh-ir.jpg)

Uncontrollable  :o :o
What else could those communists come up with. HAHA  ;D

By the way guys, if the writting at the bottom is translated it say:

Machine-Gun PPSH with a night vision scope (Year 1943)

By the way, that's my translation.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on December 30, 2010, 08:03:43 AM
Whilst I realize that this will be a long way down the track and feeble to be thinking of this yet I hope that the option is considered the have the 8,8 cm Raketenwerfer 43 to be a reward unit for the Ofenrohr. A long way away I know, still it's a little pet hope of mine :P
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: MatzeHTC on January 04, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
Fabtastic work guys. I love it. :D
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Jono on January 11, 2011, 01:13:36 AM
couldn't the landser get an mp40 instead of stg44 since all the axis armies all have the stg44 for the most of thier aquads and only one squad volks has mp40 it would also represent the early game where germans didnt have the stg44 since landser is meant to be early inftry
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: BurroDiablo on January 11, 2011, 05:17:39 AM
Subject to change. I brought up a topic up on this already in the Dev section a few weeks back regarding late war stuff in the early game.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: IJoe on January 11, 2011, 11:36:30 AM
Actually, MP40 wasn't all that common in the early days either. There was like 1 mp to about 50 rifles at some point...
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Jono on January 11, 2011, 12:01:12 PM
yeah but they did have them unlike stg44 and anyway i dont know why this is an upgrade it sounds like it wouldn't do shit all
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on January 11, 2011, 04:40:02 PM
And that's why just the leader of the landser squad will use that kind of weapon ;).
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: GodlikeDennis on January 12, 2011, 02:44:25 AM
Personally I would also rather an MP40 over StG44. It makes more sense historically and MP44s are designed to be fired while moving in this game, which a volks-like squad will not want to do. MP40 makes more gameplay sense.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Desert_Fox on January 12, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
So,this update? When?

When peoples stop to ask when next patch will be released  ;)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: neosdark on January 12, 2011, 04:23:55 PM
Subject to change. I brought up a topic up on this already in the Dev section a few weeks back regarding late war stuff in the early game.

Can't we use the MKb 42. Its not like there was just one, they had a couple of thousand of these things. Make them weaker then the regular StG in some way and we have happy players, earlier in the war, with the same capabilities
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Raider217 on January 12, 2011, 05:35:05 PM
When peoples stop to ask when next patch will be released  ;)

When the answer of that question goes from When it's done to It's done i guess
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: skycaptain_p40 on March 24, 2011, 03:28:30 PM
I love the units, but this choosing between units will really mess with the way I would play as this faction. 
The choices i would most often make are:

Light Assault
Summary: Enables the production of Marksmen and MG teams. When you active LA, the FlaK 38 and Ofenrohr Truppen are disabled.

Heavy Assault
Summary: Allows to enable the production of Stormpioniers and Troop Halftracks. When you active HA, PaKs 40 and 75mm ISG teams are disabled.

Panzer Assault
Summary: Allows the production of Panthers and StuG IIIs. Disables the production of Marders and Brummbärs.

Those are the ones that would fit my play style, but the major problem being is i would have no AT capabilities until late game. 
Now I know that's mostly my fault because of my choosing, though still feel like that is an issue that should be addressed.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: cephalos on March 24, 2011, 03:29:44 PM
need AT? switch the pools  ;D

what doesn "early" version of Pzscherck mean? It won't have shield?
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on March 24, 2011, 05:10:32 PM
need AT? switch the pools  ;D

what doesn "early" version of Pzscherck mean? It won't have shield?
Indeed.

Yep, the early version of the panzershreck didn't use shield.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Mattdamon07 on April 17, 2011, 11:41:21 PM
alright heres a good idea, well i think. In codwaw you can have ur stg with some osta sight wich looks like a small magnifying glass instead of its iron sights, we could use that and maybe and upgrade replaceing it with the scope forbetter range or something like that.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Blackbishop on April 18, 2011, 12:13:09 AM
alright heres a good idea, well i think. In codwaw you can have ur stg with some osta sight wich looks like a small magnifying glass instead of its iron sights, we could use that and maybe and upgrade replaceing it with the scope forbetter range or something like that.
You mean, like Reflex Sights??

(http://www.marstar.ca/ac-optics/images/MS-1x33RSB-350px.jpg)
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Cranialwizard on April 18, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
alright heres a good idea, well i think. In codwaw you can have ur stg with some osta sight wich looks like a small magnifying glass instead of its iron sights, we could use that and maybe and upgrade replaceing it with the scope forbetter range or something like that.
You mean, like Reflex Sights??

(http://www.marstar.ca/ac-optics/images/MS-1x33RSB-350px.jpg)

Looks like Modern Warfare to me.
Title: Re: Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post
Post by: Mattdamon07 on April 18, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
kind of like that yes ill see if i can get a picture