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Other discussions (Read-Only) => Off Topic => Topic started by: TacticalNuke on January 13, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
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We've been hearing about it for years. Parents blaming the woes of society on the typical... drugs, alcohol... and videogames? No big news right? Wrong. As most people know, the state of California has already passed a law that bans the sale of violent videogames to minors. Naturally, it has been challenged as violating the freedom of speech, and its fate is uncertain. Nothing to worry about right? Actually... no. This year, The U.S. Supreme Court has revealed plans to decide on this very controversial issue.
Unfortunately, its uncertainty is exactly what we gamers don't want. According to many surveys, this concept is actually gaining favor among the American people. As of yet, those in favor are still the minority. There are certain compelling arguments. To some, violent games equals violent children. Children who play videogames may also become antisocial and lose touch with reality. To them, its plain and simple. Supporters cry for a nationwide ban on the sale to minors. Some even believe its in the countries best interest to ban videogames completely.
What are your views to this subject? Keep in mind that this is slowly gaining the power to actually do something (even if, for now, its only drawing more attention).
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it's like prohibiting alcohol in mid twenties last century. It will work, but will be just ridicolous.
And maybe we should prohibit knives ( to slice bread) - as researches have shown, it's the most popular weapon of home murderers.
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I completely agree. However, prohibition had one thing that doomed it to fail. Anyone can make alcohol. The reson I made this was because I find it so surprising that people are considering this. If it passes, it could severely harm the indusrtry. If a total No-games ban passed, it would be the end of an industrty.
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its simle supply and demand, limit the supply and the demand will only increase. Think about it. has the war on drugs worked? have they been able to ban guns? did prohibition work? nah, it'll never happen.
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Why not? All you have to do is tell companies they cant make them. EA games isnt going to go underground and sell on a blackmarket. We can too easily track profits.
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Moral panics have been around since the beginning of recorded history, this is nothing new historically. In the 80's it was Metal music, Dungeons and Dragons influencing Satanic ritualism in youths, back in the 50's some nutjobs thought COMICS made youths go out and commit crimes which has since been rightly outed as utter bullshit. It's only a matter of time before the same happens to the naysayers of violent video games.
If they ban violent video games, they will have to ban violent movies, tv programmes, music... you cannot ban one and let the others continue, It's simply ludicrous and a waste of everyone's time. Everyday life is violent enough, might as well super-glue up your children's eyes and ears.
To be perfectly honest, its always nice for parents of these youths to have a scapegoat for their crimes. It was always something else that influenced them... videogames, TV, music... it was never their upbringing, parents will never admit to that... even though 85% of violent criminals admit to having a shitty childhood. I don't think courts should pander to scapegoating...
I love the fact that the Governments who try an enact these kinds of laws are also the ones that give us the premise to make these kinds of games. Raging poverty, people stealing and killing each other, Nations declaring war on each other, they need to take a look in the mirror and see who is really creating a violent society.
Sociologists will always say that, 'Violent media is not the cause of a violent society, but the reflection of a violent society'...
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Epic thumbs up for BurroDiablos comment!
This whole debate is just so fucking ludicrous... I honestly don't know what to say on it other than OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES!!! Just because videogames are an interactive medium doesn't mean people who play them are going to turn into serial killers! I feel as though i am reducing my own intelligence by discussing such a stupid matter...
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+1 BurroDiablo! The only reason I put this up because it was a recent headliner and I thought people would be interested. It also would have been nice to get a good discussion up. That part failed! :P
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Failed? No, it hasn't failed until everybody has lost interest. I am still interested!
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Don't take this the wrong way around, I do feel that dismembering people with a chainsaw shouldn't become a casual leisure for a ten year old kid...
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Don't take this the wrong way around, I do feel that dismembering people with a chainsaw shouldn't become a casual leisure for a ten year old kid...
of course, that's why I'm mad ;D
just joking, I mean this is parents and only their job to protect children from it. I was 16 (!) when I started playing First-Person-Shooters - my father was so crayze about it... so until then I was playing strategies, and Sim-City-like games. I don't say that I was happy because of this prohibition, but now I understand that they were protecting me from violence. Somehow they did...
Once I was working in game-store. I saw maybe 15-year old kid with dad. He ( the dad) bought him Left4Dead 2. And how can be children protected from violence when his father, who is supposed to do so, buys him one of most brutal games I've ever seen ( that doesn't mean that I don't like playing this game, I'm just mad ;D ).
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Don't take this the wrong way around, I do feel that dismembering people with a chainsaw shouldn't become a casual leisure for a ten year old kid...
of course, that's why I'm mad ;D
just joking, I mean this is parents and only their job to protect children from it. I was 16 (!) when I started playing First-Person-Shooters - my father was so crayze about it... so until then I was playing strategies, and Sim-City-like games. I don't say that I was happy because of this prohibition, but now I understand that they were protecting me from violence. Somehow they did...
Once I was working in game-store. I saw maybe 15-year old kid with dad. He ( the dad) bought him Left4Dead 2. And how can be children protected from violence when his father, who is supposed to do so, buys him one of most brutal games I've ever seen ( that doesn't mean that I don't like playing this game, I'm just mad ;D ).
Funnily enough i was about to say the same thing about parental responsibilities [capson] THE AGE INDICATORS ARE THERE FOR A REASON PEOPLE [capsoff]. LFD2 is low violence compared to alot of games. I would classify Gears with is chainsaw bayonets higher on the gore scale however people dont realise that i dont stare at the gore laughing maniacly all the time (only sometimes hehe :P... im joking) .
Edit: Another factor in these violence problems is whether it is being commited against humans or aliens, bugs etc. The reason why (in Australia) AVP was allowed and LFD2 wasnt
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Don't take this the wrong way around, I do feel that dismembering people with a chainsaw shouldn't become a casual leisure for a ten year old kid...
of course, that's why I'm mad ;D
just joking, I mean this is parents and only their job to protect children from it. I was 16 (!) when I started playing First-Person-Shooters - my father was so crayze about it... so until then I was playing strategies, and Sim-City-like games. I don't say that I was happy because of this prohibition, but now I understand that they were protecting me from violence. Somehow they did...
Once I was working in game-store. I saw maybe 15-year old kid with dad. He ( the dad) bought him Left4Dead 2. And how can be children protected from violence when his father, who is supposed to do so, buys him one of most brutal games I've ever seen ( that doesn't mean that I don't like playing this game, I'm just mad ;D ).
Well, parents can't always stand behind every kid's shoulder, nor can they deal with torrent downloads, online games, etc., unless they're good with PC (which a lot of them aren't). And even if they all were that, then there still are friends, school, whatever else. So some extent of legal prohibition is quite welcomed. As it is with heavy drugs. Sure, it doesn't remove the subject completely, but creates serious problems for juveniles to acquire it, and promises potential severe penalty for those grown-ups, who contribute to such illegal acquirements.
After all, it's just a matter of your overall relation to the law in general, and the way you view the state phenomena as such. You should really consider, that a continuous massive neglection of any system usually results in it's collapse. If such a collapse is what you want, then you should definitely continue moving in that direction.
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Actually, that's not quite the way it went;
Aliens Versus Predator (2010) was initially banned, but when Rebellion appealed the ban was lifted about a week later, since it was a science-fiction setting.
Left 4 Dead 2, however, is quite a sad story; It was also initially banned, but Valve decided to censor it, which is bad enough as it is. But the things the Australian governmet made them remove were nothing short of ludicrous. Such as cutting out the police (i think they were riot police), because it's violence against 'authority figures', which is wrong on so many levels. For starters, they are fucking ZOMBIES, you idiots! They are NOT people! The do NOT want to give you a parking ticket! They just want to eat your brain (or something of the like)! Furthermore, making them cut it out on the grounds of violence against police is VERY hypocritical, since games such as the Grand Theft Auto series are allowed without alter, which feature the killing of police (as well as innocent civilians). In fact, you could argure that Grand Theft Auto is worse, because you are killing simulations of real people, rather than zombies.
So, in short: The Australian government are fuckwits.
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haha, I always thought that drunken people look and behave like zombies... ;D
I mean if somebody can't see the difference between real world and this ingame should go to psychiatrist.
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haha, I always thought that drunken people look and behave like zombies... ;D
I mean if somebody can't see the difference between real world and this ingame should go to psychiatrist.
Well, most infants can't tell the difference between a thumb and a titt. Where should they go? OK, that's a joke.
But really, I thought we're talking 'bout kids here - people with underformed and somewhat mobile psychics. You know, when I was like 10 y.o. I remember, how some silly stories scared the shit out of me, and I would have real nightmares that night. And my psychics is considered to be stable.
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haha, I always thought that drunken people look and behave like zombies... ;D
I mean if somebody can't see the difference between real world and this ingame should go to psychiatrist.
YES! That's the point i often try to bring up in this debate; The people who want these games banned or censored obviously don't know the difference between games and real life, so in fact THEY are the ones with the problem!
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Actually, that's not quite the way it went;
Aliens Versus Predator (2010) was initially banned, but when Rebellion appealed the ban was lifted about a week later, since it was a science-fiction setting.
Left 4 Dead 2, however, is quite a sad story; It was also initially banned, but Valve decided to censor it, which is bad enough as it is. But the things the Australian governmet made them remove were nothing short of ludicrous. Such as cutting out the police (i think they were riot police), because it's violence against 'authority figures', which is wrong on so many levels. For starters, they are fucking ZOMBIES, you idiots! They are NOT people! The do NOT want to give you a parking ticket! They just want to eat your brain (or something of the like)! Furthermore, making them cut it out on the grounds of violence against police is VERY hypocritical, since games such as the Grand Theft Auto series are allowed without alter, which feature the killing of police (as well as innocent civilians). In fact, you could argure that Grand Theft Auto is worse, because you are killing simulations of real people, rather than zombies.
So, in short: The Australian government are fuckwits.
Hence why some of us managed to get it from places such as Indonesia and the UK... cough
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Yes, that's what a lot of people do, but it's very hard to order something from another country without an Internet connection.
But Indonesia, though? Wouldn't it be best to get it from an English county?
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I got it from UK but a friend of mine who goes to Indonesia often decided to get it whilst he was over there as he didnt want the censored version either
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I wonder how looks the censored version of L4D2...
OMG LOL
Left 4 Dead 2 - Censor Comparison L4D2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7QCtuaXgI#)
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in germany we have pretty strict laws but sometimes it doesnt seem logic how the government (or the organisation who does the testing which is industry funded) does it
LfD for example isnt censorred at all but other games which are way less brutal are cut or banned for minors
most brutal games have an 18 rating so no one under this age can buy them
i think it works fine enough
i have played my first FPS with 16 i think thats a good age
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If it passes, it could severely harm the indusrtry. If a total No-games ban passed, it would be the end of an industrty.
No offense, but you do realise that there are other countries/places aside from the USA where we have PC's and consoles capable of running these games and that a bann passed in the USA does not mean that the bann is for each and other country.
On topic:
Walking into a school and shooting up people and blaming it on a video games means 1 out of 2 things:
1: you are going for the insanity plea
2: you are actually not sane and can't differentiate
Either way, it's not the games fault, but rather has to do with your biology or upbringing, hence, banning games isn't the right solution. Furthermore, studies have not proven that playing violent games makes you violent. A rise in hormones such as adrenaline are seen in similar amounts while playing sports, watching films, and seeing accidents.
To put it bluntly, there is not a decent argument to bann violent games.
This is however not to say that there shouldn't be age restrictions for certain games.
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If it passes, it could severely harm the indusrtry. If a total No-games ban passed, it would be the end of an industrty.
No offense, but you do realise that there are other countries/places aside from the USA where we have PC's and consoles capable of running these games and that a bann passed in the USA does not mean that the bann is for each and other country.
Yes I did realize that. But as it is the U.S. that is considering the ban, this only represents the industry in the U.S. ;)
I am also strangely glad that my topic reached over 100 views and 22 post! Yay!
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If it passes, it could severely harm the indusrtry. If a total No-games ban passed, it would be the end of an industrty.
No offense, but you do realise that there are other countries/places aside from the USA where we have PC's and consoles capable of running these games and that a bann passed in the USA does not mean that the bann is for each and other country.
Yes I did realize that. But as it is the U.S. that is considering the ban, this only represents the industry in the U.S. ;)
I am also strangely glad that my topic reached over 100 views and 22 post! Yay!
Ok, just checking and congrats;)
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The "coolest" Cut in Germany is in World in Conflict
The NUKE is named BFG in the german version, but it looks just like a nuclear attack....also the Napalm-Strike is named Anti Vegetation Strike but it is actually the old Napalm Attack
so stupid...
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I think that if someone would seriously dismember someone with a Chainsaw or commit another serious crime like that, belongs to a ''Nuthouse''. No clear minded human would do something like that, unless something has ''snapped'' in that persons mind.
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Yeah, but surely it's O.K. to go on a killing spree when you're bored? Right?...
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I think that if someone would seriously dismember someone with a Chainsaw or commit another serious crime like that, belongs to a ''Nuthouse''. No clear minded human would do something like that, unless something has ''snapped'' in that persons mind.
Well, lets make some pedophilic scenes in games now. I mean, it could well suit some in-game scenarios. And that, still, would be just a game, right?
Just a joke (not a real suggestion).
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There already is, man... Have you not heard of Rape-Lay?
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There already is, man... Have you not heard of Rape-Lay?
Oh, FFS! You gotta be kidding, right?
Where the hell is this world rolling to?! :o
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Actually, porno games are very popular in Japan....
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Actually, porno games are very popular in Japan....
I'm not talking 'bout some jerkoffs, who masturbate on some porn scenery. I wrote about paedophilia specifically. This would be some really crazy (and illegal BTW) shite.
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Personally, i don't see the difference.
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They can't ban video games, not when Skyrim is only a few months away!
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If they ban violent video games, 40% of the nation is doing something illegal. Lets make America look even worst :(
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Personally, i don't see the difference.
It's really simple: f.cking is legal, but f.cking children is not.
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Yes, but rape is illegal, no matter the victims age. And in my opinion, rape games should be illegal as well.
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But not games like Call of duty >:( >:(
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Eh, it wouldn't bother me if Call Of Duty was banned.
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Especially the later ones.
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Well, I usually play COH with a friend. I would be pretty sad if this was taken away because people want to blame all this violence on something.
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What do you mean by "this" violence? You mean real-life or in videogames?
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. Lets make America look even worst :(
ROFL!
Banning video games wouldnt do athing, the damage has been done.
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Umm... What damage?
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Umm... What damage?
... to the reputation, I guess.
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Yeah, all this controversy shit has indeed damaged videogames. >:( I really don't know why everybody has to be hating on them. :'(
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Because we always need something to blame. It conveniently shelters people from the fact that maybe they're just bad parents, or maybe someones just a bad egg in the bunch.
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The best way what to do is civil disobedience- You could buy violent video games in Mexico/Canada/Cuba/Japan/Russia(not sure about Canada- since they banNed Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" I could expect that there is a restriction of destribution of "immoral games"), then go into middle of your city with a huge banner I'M SELLING VIOLENT, IMMORAL AND BANNED GAMES. Probably most of teenagers would buy something and if cops arrives and they will arrest you, you can go to court and say, that authority limits your law to dispose of your property.
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The best way what to do is civil disobedience- You could buy violent video games in Mexico/Canada/Cuba/Japan/Russia(not sure about Canada- since they banNed Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" I could expect that there is a restriction of destribution of "immoral games"), then go into middle of your city with a huge banner I'M SELLING VIOLENT, IMMORAL AND BANNED GAMES. Probably most of teenagers would buy something and if cops arrives and they will arrest you, you can go to court and say, that authority limits your law to dispose of your property.
And then? You know, they can limit your "right to dispose of your property"(don't think that's legally correct). Even more so if you want to dispose of property you illegally obtained. Just think about, if what you said would be a proper legal defence all the drug dealers or people dumping waste in rivers etc. could do it too.
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Well, you can't have any drugs with you, not only you can't selling them. But there:
As most people know, the state of California has already passed a law that bans the sale of violent videogames to minors.
There's nothing about having violent games, only distribution is restricted. As far as I know, C&C Generals was banned in Germany, so Germans buy it in UK/France/Poland etc. There was also a lot of internet auctions at german e-bay(or something similiar) where you could buy this game.
About banning violent video games- yes, games such as Manhunt/Postal are dangerous to all people, like cocaine or alcohol. Even if you are 18+ you don't know what is real and what is fiction. You can buy beer, smokes or vote in elections(you are adult, so you can), but you aren't enough adult to realize that video game isn't real. Well, it's just stupid. Better way is punishing shops for selling games 18+ to childs- seriously, did you ever hear about police that give a ticket to shopkeeper for selling brutal game to child?
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There may be language problem here, but I'm not sure what you're going on about? You're saying the government should crack down on selling violent games but you're for being able to own them?
Anyway, I think it isn't mainly about people not being able to tell fiction from reality but more about how much and what kind of display of violence you do tolerate in your society.
So I think the German system somewhat makes sense, that only people over 18 may buy the really violent games and that they mustn't be advertised. After all, excessively violent movies also have to be cut.
The US approach I however find fairly contradictory. There's almost unrestricted access to firearms and no real censoring in the movie industry but yet they want it in the game industry?
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There may be language problem here, but I'm not sure what you're going on about? You're saying the government should crack down on selling violent games but you're for being able to own them?
Anyway, I think it isn't mainly about people not being able to tell fiction from reality but more about how much and what kind of display of violence you do tolerate in your society.
So I think the German system somewhat makes sense, that only people over 18 may buy the really violent games and that they mustn't be advertised. After all, excessively violent movies also have to be cut.
The US approach I however find fairly contradictory. There's almost unrestricted access to firearms and no real censoring in the movie industry but yet they want it in the game industry?
Answer is simple. Games are interactive, movies not. That's why they try to limit violence ingames.
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That answer is as simple as it's insufficient. Sure in games you do the killing, still I doubt that scars you(or a child for that matter) more then some of the torture orgies like the SAW movies or Hostel for example. Violence in such movies is by far more explicit and disturbing than in any game I've ever come across. In both genres (movies and videogames) theres some extreme stuff that shouldn't be accessible to minors.
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Yes, it's a most terribly stupid excuse, but it is nonetheless how the government thinks. They like to think that because videogames are an interactive medium, people are far more likely to copy the acts of the characters in-game than those in films, books, any other medium. It's totally illogical, but they do what they want...
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I guess it's rather what the majority wants. Most voters are too old to be playing games, and therefore the games appear strange and weird to them. That or they don't care if they're banned because they don't have an opinion on them.
And I think there's also the issue of lazy parenting, parents expecting the government to do their job so they don't have to look out for what their child does since all things bad for children have been banned ::) (or so they'd imagine it to be)
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There may be language problem here, but I'm not sure what you're going on about? You're saying the government should crack down on selling violent games but you're for being able to own them?
Well, I just want that stores with video games would abide by the law, so they wouldn't sell games 18+ to childs and I want that goverment wouldn't ban violent games, only give them rating 18+.
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No one ever listens to rating....
The problem is everyone in the Government Voting for this is , nonetheless, old. They all maybe never touched a video game in their life, so they have to listen to what the Parents say, and not the people playing it! That leads to a little Exaggerating problems and lies as well.
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Ah politics, nothing good will ever come out of it ::)
Still, you can always bitch about it and that's what people love most of all.
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Well the other problem is that some developers/publishers will actually go out of their way to be controversial, the most recent one that I can recall would be Call Of Duty : Modern Warfare 2 with it's "No Russian" level. So I will just focus on this one as an example but before I do.
I am not having a go at COD fans and have not played the game myself as I prefer more how can I put this... 'challenging' games such as ARMA II, but I have looked into the MW2 issue.
Why is Infinity Ward's No Russian level controversial? The simple answer to that question would be, that it didn't need to be there.
What it did not do : Further the plot in a substantial way.
What it did do : Provided extra publicity for the product. Due to human nature because it was controversial and gained more publicity more profits where made as it was like the "car crash"* effect. More younger people will have bought it just because it was controversial.
The level was also skippable further proof if you will that it was put in just for controversy, as if it was significant to the game plot it would not have been skippable.
* Car Crash Effect : When you go past a road traffic accident (RTA) you can't help but look basically.
Now what does all that above have to do with this thread? I'm just trying to point out that some developers/publishers are not exactly helping their corner with stuff like that.
Regards Hawk (Silk)
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Yeah, and also these recent Dead Space 2 ads, which i think are harming gaming more than anything else...
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Yeah, and I think the worst part is that they(the Dead Space 2 ads) are directed at minors. I mean the game is rated mature, what do people 18+ care what their mom thinks of the games they're playing?
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I hate the Dead Space series, its just one of those games thats too much, there is a line where the gore and violence is acceptable and is just too much, this game is one of those on that line, its not violent video games thats the problem, its these companies that make them,
they can put whatever they damn well please in a game, they could put a fountain of blood come out of someones neck when they're beheaded, this is what causes the problem.
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funny thing, I actually can't wait to play DS2. I've played DS1, and I enjoyed it. Using my example can be useful - I just tolerate games I'd like to play, and I don't see anything scary in them. I haven't play Manhunt, so I can't agree with things you do there... Actually I wonder if I play Manhunt, I could change my mind. It's all in us, we decide what we call too much and what will be at the end of this line.
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Well the other problem is that some developers/publishers will actually go out of their way to be controversial, the most recent one that I can recall would be Call Of Duty : Modern Warfare 2 with it's "No Russian" level. So I will just focus on this one as an example but before I do.
I am not having a go at COD fans and have not played the game myself as I prefer more how can I put this... 'challenging' games such as ARMA II, but I have looked into the MW2 issue.
Why is Infinity Ward's No Russian level controversial? The simple answer to that question would be, that it didn't need to be there.
What it did not do : Further the plot in a substantial way.
What it did do : Provided extra publicity for the product. Due to human nature because it was controversial and gained more publicity more profits where made as it was like the "car crash"* effect. More younger people will have bought it just because it was controversial.
The level was also skippable further proof if you will that it was put in just for controversy, as if it was significant to the game plot it would not have been skippable.
* Car Crash Effect : When you go past a road traffic accident (RTA) you can't help but look basically.
Now what does all that above have to do with this thread? I'm just trying to point out that some developers/publishers are not exactly helping their corner with stuff like that.
Regards Hawk (Silk)
I would like to add to that as CoD's most recent unneccessary edition Black ops has its own controversies with the killing of a Fidel Castro double (major political figure in Cuba for those who dont know).
It is unfortunate that recent game titles are having to turn to these tactics to gain attention and sales coupled with the fact that I and the people I usually talk with agree that the quality and well.. fun factor has been dipping of late seeming that the designers (not all however mind you) spend more on advertising than pleasing loyal fans and customers.
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I honestly don't get what's so controversial about killing famous people... It's just that it's so inconsistent, you know?
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It depends upon the person Mercenaries 2 had issues as they were accused of spreading government propanganda to support the invasion of Venezuela and thats not even a person is it :P. However Hugo Chavez is >.>
Here's and interesting quote for you:
-Gunnar Gundersen, cofounder of the Venezuela Solidarity Network, dismissed arguments that it's "just a game", saying.
-We have to put it in the context of how it would feel if the reverse was done. Can you imagine if a wealthy Venezuelan game-designing company with links to the military and funding from a famous Latin American entertainer invented a game where you invade the US to assassinate the president and take over the economy?
Funnily enough thats (almost) exactly what happens in Homefront... AND ITS MADE BY AMERICANS.
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@Raider217
Yeah, but IT'S MADE BY AMERICANS.
Get the point?
ADDON:
And, after all, "The world is a theatre, and people are actors".
So "What is this life? - A game."
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@IJoe
I understand it's not really the same circumstances but from the point of being invaded themselves in a game (made by one of their own companies at least) it poses no issue as for by another countries producer you need only look at say Ubisoft (French) in Endwar you invade American major cities as EU and Russia at will.
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I actually started thinking of endwar when I read the post before yours raider ^.^
Something like that is on a more Global scale, and made after a book, not made from one country to the next for no reason or source.
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@Raider217
Yeah, but IT'S MADE BY ACTIVISIONS.
Get the point?
Fix'd..
They are beyond evil...
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on the point of activision and violent games:
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/25/russian-media-points-to-modern-warfare-2-over-airport-bombing/ (http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/25/russian-media-points-to-modern-warfare-2-over-airport-bombing/)
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Oh, yeah, because firing a machine gun is exactly like detonating a bomb. ::)
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Oh, yeah, because firing a machine gun is exactly like detonating a bomb. ::)
That was exactly what i thought.
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Wow I had heard of the bomb attack but not of the finger pointing at CoD, pure (unlucky) coincidence in my opinion. :-X
And of course condolences to those lost or injured.
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I guess if terrorists were THAT retarded that they needed CoD to point them to targets of opportunity we'd have no terrorism problem to begin with.
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It didn't seem to me that they were saying the Terrorists played this and thought to do it, only the one reference did, hey, there was a comic about a plane crashing into the World trade centers before it happened, its just full of coincidences.
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I remember that.... My father had some of those, pretty weird.
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Think y'all should watch this:
http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/02/call-of-duty-no-russian-controversy/ (http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/02/call-of-duty-no-russian-controversy/)
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lol, this reminds me funny situation in my country. Some TV talk-show was about violence in videogames. So they went to school with micro and asked few teenagers what was the most brutal game they've ever played. The most common answer was TETRIS ( lol ). Morover, nobody checked what TETRIS was, and they went on vision.... we had a lot of fun next day at school...
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107628-Fox-News-Says-Bulletstorm-Could-Make-You-a-Rapist (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107628-Fox-News-Says-Bulletstorm-Could-Make-You-a-Rapist)
Just wondering if anyone else knew about this latest shinnanigans (aka lies) from FOX
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The American Propaganda........
Puts American Idol over Egypt Protest
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107628-Fox-News-Says-Bulletstorm-Could-Make-You-a-Rapist (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107628-Fox-News-Says-Bulletstorm-Could-Make-You-a-Rapist)
Just wondering if anyone else knew about this latest shinnanigans (aka lies) from FOX
CABLE NEWS RACE
THURS., FEB 10, 2011
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,325,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,335,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,293,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,243,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,936,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,744,000
CNN BLITZER 1,036,000
CNN MORGAN 941,000
MSNBC HARDBLL 844,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 843,000
CNN COOPER 826,000
MSNBC MADDOW 765,000
CNN PARKERSPITZER 724,000
MSNBC SHULTZ 575,000
Something tells me all those millions of people know something that perhaps you have yet to admit....
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For those of you who are still interested...
I did some digging and found that, at the moment, its expected that the Supreme Court will rule on this case sometime in June. Its too soon for it to be confirmed however. I will keep posting as information is given.
Also, I came across a story posted by some advocate for the ban. Apparently some kid jumped off a 19 story building when he got grounded. His logic is were all going to either kill ourselves or go on a killing spree.
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And for anyone interested in the state of the Australian game ratings:
http://www.r18games.com.au/ (http://www.r18games.com.au/)
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Update: Mortal Kombat has been banned, whilst We Dare (essentially a porn game) has been rated PG.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/a-wii-bit-kinky-sexy-spanking-game-rated-pg-but-mortal-kombat-banned-20110228-1baqx.html (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/a-wii-bit-kinky-sexy-spanking-game-rated-pg-but-mortal-kombat-banned-20110228-1baqx.html)
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