Boooooooo-Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;D ;D ;DYes, is his fault ;).
Really nice shite, StuG III, finally :-*
I don't know who made it, but I guess Burro was it. Right?
Yeaaaah good update and nice models,the marder 2 is awesone but i like more the SdKfz 131 model.lol... different models.
one question ¿the brummbar model is new or eliwood and dmz model?
A Marder that can brake tracks? :oAnd since when the panther and the brummbar have similar roles ;). Remember that abilities and other similar stuff are alpha. They may or not be present on the ostheer beta.
Dont forget to add button ability to Fireflies to ballance that. ::)
And who would choose Brummbar over an upgraded Panther? Its like choosing KV-2 over T-34/85.
A Marder that can brake tracks? :o
Dont forget to add button ability to Fireflies to ballance that. ::)
And who would choose Brummbar over an upgraded Panther? Its like choosing KV-2 over T-34/85.
I wouldnt say Marder and Gwagon abilities are to protect them. The only protection they have is called a reverse gear.A Marder that can brake tracks? :o
Dont forget to add button ability to Fireflies to ballance that. ::)
And who would choose Brummbar over an upgraded Panther? Its like choosing KV-2 over T-34/85.
Marder II is quiet fragile. So u need some abilities to protect it.
About Panther and Brummbär:I guess that the Brummbär can be usefull when supporting an Elephant. :)
Well: Keep pools in mine! When u chose the pool of the Panther u wont get Brummbär. When u need the Brummbär u cant build the Panther - your chose!
Seriously, this year? :D
I made a graphic for an article for my own german gamer blog (click on image):Nice graphic Morvagor, makes it alot easier to quick distinguish the different vehicles from the pools.
In the case of the Panther and Panzer III, skins will definitely change.
The panzergrenate ability needs another name it sounds corny and people who are going to use it need a small indication on wtf this ability is going to do
Its kind of wierd that Stugs and Marders apear on the field at the same time that the hevies do. My favorite WH and PE strategies were T1 T3 based. Now I will need an upgrade on TLast to get those fun midgame units. :(
PE is already field grey so we've chosen to give them mid-late camo scheme. I like the Field grey I gave the the Marder, but having a mix of Camo units and then some field grey units may look a little off. I dunno, it's currently being discussed, but I think most, if not all, buildable Ostheer vehicles will be camo'ed.
PE is already field grey so we've chosen to give them mid-late camo scheme. I like the Field grey I gave the the Marder, but having a mix of Camo units and then some field grey units may look a little off. I dunno, it's currently being discussed, but I think most, if not all, buildable Ostheer vehicles will be camo'ed.
MAYBE, it would be a good idea to make early Ostheer vehicles (like panzer 2, 3) wear field grey, and have the more later ones authentically camouflaged.
After all, Ostheer, unlike the rest of axis factions, is supposed to represent the german army throughout 1941-1945, not just 1944-45, right?
I hope you don't change PIII-skin anymore. It looks so sweet, probably the best CoH screen I've ever seeen :-*
[...] Marder II is also modified off an old Panzer II Ausf.C I had made before we decided we'd rather have the Luchs. [...]
[...]But I may be wrong, only the tracks are looking strange to me.look at this picture (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/mar2_8.jpg) they look fine to me
PE is already field grey so we've chosen to give them mid-late camo scheme. I like the Field grey I gave the the Marder, but having a mix of Camo units and then some field grey units may look a little off. I dunno, it's currently being discussed, but I think most, if not all, buildable Ostheer vehicles will be camo'ed.
Boooooooo-Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;D ;D ;DYes, is his fault ;).
Really nice shite, StuG III, finally :-*
I don't know who made it, but I guess Burro was it. Right?
why does the 7.5cm upgrade reduce firepower against tanks? in reality the stubby was the replacement for the 50mm because it could shoot HEAT rounds giving the PZIIIN the same firepower as a
T-34/41' allowing it to go toe-to-toe with it's foes while gaining the extra HE strength. Also Bumbbar had a ball mounted coax MG34 standard on all production models.
why does the 7.5cm upgrade reduce firepower against tanks? in reality the stubby was the replacement for the 50mm because it could shoot HEAT rounds giving the PZIIIN the same firepower as a
T-34/41' allowing it to go toe-to-toe with it's foes while gaining the extra HE strength. Also Bumbbar had a ball mounted coax MG34 standard on all production models.
Ostheer will need something different and camo could be a solution.
But camo is nonsense. Why not clown shoes and bunny tails then?
Thats great man, It looks great. Now I'm happy :). Any date set for when the next update about the doctrines will be published?At the next month.
Nice ;D. And after the Doctrines are finished, are you close to the release? Or do we have months left? :-\before it can be released, OH will have to go into beta-testing. it's still in alpha phase if i got it right ??? so be patient 8)
i would rather wait for a balanced soviet and OH release than another half made factionSee you in 2012. ;D
The world will end in 2012, so please hurry, Devs! :D:D:Di would rather wait for a balanced soviet and OH release than another half made factionSee you in 2012. ;D
The world will end in 2012, so please hurry, Devs! :D:D:DOnly on december 21st, so we'll still have some time to check the new faction out ;D
@delmar77
Meh, who needs buildable tigers :P.
ITS TRUE!!!!
What? ???
Marder II is an own unit. There is no linking with Marder III oO
And no linking with "Panzergrenadiers".
The black wearing soldiers who drive the tank are "Panzermänner" - tank soldiers. Panzergrenadiere are support infantry who is trained in armour supporting combat.
So i think u had mixed up a lot of stuff here xD
the Ostheer havent Ant.Aircraft? only doctrines perhaps?
the sistem for vets?
and fortification the sector?
coming soon in next Preview?
put on a camouflage net on the StugIII, or a half tree (branches with leaves :D), and then I'll cum into my pants :D:D[writing this on a notebook...]
and then I'll cum into my pants :D:D
put on a camouflage net on the StugIII, or a half tree (branches with leaves :D), and then I'll cum into my pants :D:D[writing this on a notebook...]
May I asked, although I like all the other ostheer tank skin, the only skin that bugged me is the Panther. Cause.....why the Panther tanks have to be field grey? ??? Is this to standardized all Panther tanks? Any possibility of changing the Panther skin? Perhaps a camo brown or something, at least the ostheer Panther color reflected its deployment on the Eastern Front, which majority of the Panther tanks are in camo brown or yellow.......
Just a suggestion an opinion, hope you guys won't angry :-\ please, an explanation or answer will be suffice, thanks ;)
Soldat.... the general populace of EF has agreed that the Ostheer does not need a Panzer IV because they get the Panzer III which far more customizable and is available in larger numbers because it should be cheaper to make. The only possibility of seeing a Panzer IV of any kind would be the Sturmpanzer IV, which is available post-Modernization in this very Panzer Kampf Kommand.
Soldat.... the general populace of EF has agreed that the Ostheer does not need a Panzer IV because they get the Panzer III which far more customizable and is available in larger numbers because it should be cheaper to make. The only possibility of seeing a Panzer IV of any kind would be the Sturmpanzer IV, which is available post-Modernization in this very Panzer Kampf Kommand.
The 50mm KwK 39 of late-model Panzer IIIs was not suitable against all but the lightest Russian armour, Panzer IVs were the real battle tanks after they were equipped with the L43. Making an Ostheer without the Panzer IV is like making the Red Army with the T-34/76. I guess the general populace just wants to see new models...
Soldat.... the general populace of EF has agreed that the Ostheer does not need a Panzer IV because they get the Panzer III which far more customizable and is available in larger numbers because it should be cheaper to make. The only possibility of seeing a Panzer IV of any kind would be the Sturmpanzer IV, which is available post-Modernization in this very Panzer Kampf Kommand.
The 50mm KwK 39 of late-model Panzer IIIs was not suitable against all but the lightest Russian armour, Panzer IVs were the real battle tanks after they were equipped with the L43. Making an Ostheer without the Panzer IV is like making the Red Army with the T-34/76. I guess the general populace just wants to see new models...
There were more StuG variants produced by the end of the war than there were Panzer IVs. Even Panthers were just slightly under the number of Panzer IVs made. The tank overall is outclassed and is just a slight step up from the last class. It's not too major. It's like a Sherman to a Cromwell.
The general populace does like new models, that is quite true, and we are tired of seeing the Panzer IV. And the Red Army has a choice not to use T-34's, as I'm sure you are aware, they can use KV-1 and KV-85 instead.
The 50mm KwK 39 armed Panzer III isn't supposed to go head on against the T-34 and especially not the KV series. It is designed for fighting off the T-90, T70 and possibly SU-76 and SU-85, as well as supporting Infantry. It can be used to attack T-34s in a 2 on 1 situation and with proper micro it can be used for good engagements from the rear.
I originally wanted to see both Panzer IIIs and Panzer IVs in the design, with one taking place of the other post-Modernization, but it makes more sense for us to just stick to using Panzer IIIs.
Ninja'ed by Cranial
I think although the Panzer IV was a valuable part of the German war machine, in gameplay it has already be used so many times and there are a bunch of variations (in which they utilize Panzer IV chassis'). Really the Panzer III is new to COH and will be nce to see :P. I think the devs like filling Ostheer with new interesting stuff rather than old stuff.
We don't need Panzer III & Panzer IV in the same place, and since Pz. IV has enough presence in the other axis factions, it was decided to use only Pz. III.
It wasn't included as part of modernization because we don't want to add more stuff to Ostheer, it has enough units and it won't be a reward unit of the Pz. III because it is not interesting at all.
Your opinion(@Ost_Front_Soldat) seems to be based from historic perspective and although it has nothing wrong, however, you need to see this through the gameplay perspective because that's has priority.
I do hope to see Ferdinand/Elefant at least(very Ostheer).
I do hope to see Ferdinand/Elefant at least(very Ostheer).
There will be the Elefant...look at OH Tech Tree. ;)
Honestly the Hull mounted MGs on any tank rarley do any significant damage gameplay wise :P. The top MG (IDK what its called) does far more damage like the .50 cals on the US tanks or thr MGs on Axis tanks.
walki is right. stuart mg for example.
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
wow. didnt even know ostwind had coaxials. gonna have to check that out ;)
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.
If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?
Too much over thinking.
We have upgrades in vCoH for a tank commnader, cupola gunner, mortar flail, optics, lots of upgrades that do not help a whole lot. For the sake of balance and a taste of realism, allow the Elefant to marginally defend itself from frontal charges. Give the MG stats that will be notable but not game-breaking.We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.
If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?
Too much over thinking.
We have upgrades in vCoH for a tank commnader, cupola gunner, mortar flail, optics, lots of upgrades that do not help a whole lot. For the sake of balance and a taste of realism, allow the Elefant to marginally defend itself from frontal charges. Give the MG stats that will be notable but not game-breaking.We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.
If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?
Too much over thinking.
Probably not going to happen, and probably not going to be an upgrade. Else it's an improvised Ferdinand, and the only MGs that I see that are of any use on Vehicles is MG42s manned by a gunner on the outside on Panthers, Tigers, KT, and .50 cals on Stags and Greyhound and the Hellcat.
For the sake of balance those MGs are quite useless. If you want to defend from a frontal change, use other supporting units, like an actual MG.
Because it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.
We're off topic.
Because it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.
We're off topic.
Hellcat is dedicatd AI? lol
Because it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.
We're off topic.
Hellcat is dedicatd AI? lol
I was referring to the PE P4.
It doesn't even matter, even those MGs are minor and are only helpful in certain situations. Stag MG gunner is OP and deals a shit ton of suppression.
Case closed. MG is going on Elefant and will likely not be stronger than a coaxial. It's a AT vehicle and doesn't need to be able to stomp and suppress infantry as well.
Guys, you don't need to quote the whole block of text if it is right above your post ;).
Ostheer is going to have Elefants not Ferdinands, meaning that the hull mg will be there right off the bat. Now, for the cupola MG 34, that's up to the modeler, but it will be cool if has it :). If this mg would be implemente probably will come with vet, like happens with all OH tanks with coupola mgs.
if im right, this is all about the elafant having an MG right? whatever. who cares. one little hull mg will not affect balance that much. even if it does, it will be changed. i would take the hint from cranial and suggest getting back on topic. just calm down and leave it to the devs.
Hmmm... if you put it that way I'd do this:[...]
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
Hmmm... if you put it that way I'd do this:[...]
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
* Vet 0 -> Ferdinand
* Vet 1 -> Becomes Elefant, and now has a hull MG among other bonuses
* Vet 2 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander or some other bonus.
* Vet 3 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander if not given in vet 3 or some other bonus.
But that's just me and I'm not the one that decides it :P.
@stealthattack1
You are right, we are a bit off-topic ^^.
Hmmm... if you put it that way I'd do this:[...]
Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
* Vet 0 -> Ferdinand
* Vet 1 -> Becomes Elefant, and now has a hull MG among other bonuses
* Vet 2 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander or some other bonus.
* Vet 3 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander if not given in vet 3 or some other bonus.
But that's just me and I'm not the one that decides it :P.
@stealthattack1
You are right, we are a bit off-topic ^^.