is that cool or is that cool ??It depends on the stats. Otherwise it's just a skin.
IS-3 ?
wow
i love you guys
Stats doesn't matter. Will be an IS-3 even if a fly could take it down ::).is that cool or is that cool ??It depends on the stats. Otherwise it's just a skin.
IS-3 ?
wow
i love you guys
But the skin is nice. Well, at least the way it looks on the screenshot.
I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.That's enough for the mod, IMO.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.
I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.we've been through this before - get over it
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.
Well, @IJoe nailed the idea. Besides it has been explained a couple of times, there's no way for us to check that information... however the IS-3 is the pinnacle of soviet armour... would be wrong if doesn't appears in the only Eastern Front mod available by now.I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.That's enough for the mod, IMO.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.
But the soviets already have ISU-152 and buildable IS-2.And wehr has panthers and that doesn't mean anything. But don't worry IS-3 will be a reward unit.
The IS-3 is a great tank and all I know, but it's just the balance I'm concerned about... Could it possibly be a reward unit for ISU-152? And don't worry, Mauss is not at all on my mind.That Maus note wasn't aimed at you XD... just write to because was something necessary for the other users reading this that could have thought that would be an opportunity.
So certain units can only be built after modernizing?
Just a quick question, what snow map is that?It's called Ardennes Forest... ironic isn't it :P.
Ehhh KV 1, KV 2, KV 85, IS 2, T 34, T 34/85, T 90, T 70, SU 85....and now IS-3??? I hope you guys know what mean balance, because i don't want another unbalanced patch, yea SU is balanced but i think that little not.[...]KV1 -> replaces T34/76 (reward unit)
For the sake of good! There a lot of historical in incorrectness in CoH. And no one seems to be bothered too much.I have source, a Tank Commander named Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov who wrote his memoir after gone to america. He fought in the beggining of the offensive, started as a regular infantry, then he made it to a KV-2 and after the Germans shot out his tank and survived he got the first of the first IS-3. That was after the siege of Budapest, so we are still in the time period, when the war is not over, so a reward IS-3 would be nice.
Besides, there is what is called a "reasonable doubt" backing up the historical aspect of the inclusion of IS-3. And, unlike many vanilla units, it was mass produced as well.
Funny that KV-1, Kv-85 and IS3 were demanded but always declined "not going to happen" especially IS3. What changed your mind? ;)
[...]Regardless, as an eye candy and cool factor, I'd say that if we ever got hold of an animated IS3, we'd put it in EF ;D
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IS-3 is going to be tough beast. I personally don't know, which one is better and cooler... IS-3 or ISU? ISU should go to Propaganda then.It's a reward, so no one is going anywhere ;)
IS-3....
... I'm just getting either tired or older.... :-\
I wonder how did you pushed it through LordRommel who every time I see whines about historical accuracy...
@ evil spike. Yes it is the new king tiger. It is mounted with a heschel turret and looks as if it is in for quit a fight. :o
IS3 doesn't take fuel because it is an off-map unit. Like others, it has an inflated MP cost to make up for no fuel cost. It costs 800MP to call in.KT takes 980...
Seriously, the thing is beastial.
Haven't tested it yet. However, the 800MP is an upfront cost compared to the KT upfront +MP reduction. Upfront costs are more difficult to achieve. I believe the KT would probably beat the IS3. However, the IS3 can gain vet which would flip the balance around again. Seriously, the thing is beastial.Would be better if that IS would cost 1000, but would actually beat that KT, since that latter has an mg, and thus is harder to circle-strafe by infantry and far more deadly against it (apart from the monstrous gun).
Yes it is... i'm completely sure ;D. And will be featured in 1.40.@ evil spike. Yes it is the new king tiger. It is mounted with a heschel turret and looks as if it is in for quit a fight. :o
Are you sure it is the henschel turret?
I don't know much about W.W.II, but wasn't the Henschel an aircraft? ???It's a name.
I dont wanna the game is only heavy tanks battle.
As british user , I just say an request that british army no longer depend on PIAT or poor defensive tanks.
For want to fight King Tiger by using Only one Tank
..or even with a Tetrarch ;)...And that's why you don't send in the big guns without support. ;D
Tetrarch beats King Tiger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JKIZR9zuns#ws)
Allied heavy tanks?thats it.
- Pershing.
- IS-3. (Sort of...)
...What else is there?
88 armor-piercing round was unable to penetrate IS-3 frontal armor from 100 meter distance. ::)
while high explosive shells 122mm rounds didn't really need to penetrate KT - is would simply kill everyone inside on impact. And there were AP 122mm rounds as well. Indirect fire on distances up to 5km, direct (straight-line fire) up to 1km with staring velocity of about 750m/s.
Overall: IS-3 was the best ever tank of the entire war. And reliable as well. ;)
88 armor-piercing round was unable to penetrate IS-3 frontal armor from 100 meter distance
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site ;D ;D ;D
Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site ;D ;D ;D
Depends...which countries ministry? ;)
Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site ;D ;D ;D
Depends...which countries ministry? ;)
Well, obviously not the third reich's one.Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site ;D ;D ;D
Depends...which countries ministry? ;)
No I meant which country's ministry, excuse me.
As in the information could be bi-ist. Different sources?
Yeah, guys, stop talking about real life when you should be talking about how cool it would be for the Ostheer to have the Maus! ;D
I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.
Not angry at you Paciat, but some people genuinely think that now the IS3 has been added the Maus stands a chance. Seriously, the IS3 is like a King Tiger. King Tiger is already in the game. IS3 does not equate to a Maus because the Maus was an utter failure... fucking logic, how does it work?!
the germans probably would have perfected alot of there weapons systems, given a year but by then they proably would have been nuked by the USA by then. though alot of cool stuff propably would have likly been created or proposed in that time. the germans were inovatores on the highest level.I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.
Not angry at you Paciat, but some people genuinely think that now the IS3 has been added the Maus stands a chance. Seriously, the IS3 is like a King Tiger. King Tiger is already in the game. IS3 does not equate to a Maus because the Maus was an utter failure... fucking logic, how does it work?!
Well I think if the germans had another year they may have perfected the Maus, but nonetheless, you're right. I'm going to put you in my sig too :D
Well I think if the germans had another year they may have perfected the Maus
:Poh, when? when? when?
:Poh, when? when? when?
:Poh, when? when? when?ಠ-ಠ *sigh*
I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.
Nice Feature. Here is my German summary: Link (http://www.morvagor.de/3738/eastern-front-ostheer-vorschau-teil-4-modernisierung/)Nice presentation :).
I know, maybe it's just purpose (for zhe atmozphere)AFAIK Schutzen War Camp was named like that because of what you said. Aboutthe other units, could be a typo :P... don't remember if in CoH use umlauts.
I know, maybe it's just purpose (for zhe atmozphere)AFAIK Schutzen War Camp was named like that because of what you said. Aboutthe other units, could be a typo :P... don't remember if in CoH use umlauts.
..or even with a Tetrarch ;)
Tetrarch beats King Tiger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JKIZR9zuns#ws)
Well, obviously not the third reich's one.Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site ;D ;D ;D
Depends...which countries ministry? ;)
No I meant which country's ministry, excuse me.
As in the information could be bi-ist. Different sources?
How does that affect the thickness of the frontal armor (BTW up to 200mm penetration means in best conditions - cast steel in a perpendicular position to projectile, while IS-3 armor was welded and sloped)
:Poh, when? when? when?
Tomorrow ;D
Oh, yeah, i totally forgot that W.W.II stretched into the 1950s! ::)lol ;D.
I don't claim that the Centurion Mk1 fought in ww2 - "Manufacture of the Centurion began in January 1945, and six prototypes arrived in Belgium soon after the war in Europe ended in May 1945" - Wikipedia.I don't think you will find it otherwise we wouldn't have to think it twice to add it. Possibly all the tests of the IS-3 in WW2 surely were covered, and unlike the T-44 (that wasn't approved, hence released the information) will never be known.
I thought the IS-3 was only deployed to Manchuria in 1945 pretty similar to the centurion being rushed into germany in may 1945
"The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria" - Wikipedia.
Now i'm not debating it being in the game i see this as a good thing and i'm not trying to say you must have a centurion Mk1 in the game either, but i've searched the internet to find an IS-3 in combat during ww2 and came up with nothing so far...
Thankyou for being honest, regarding my opinion, having a grown up discussion and meeting me half way.
Centurion Mk1 couldn't fit in the game even as a reward unit for the kangaroo carrier?
- Wikipedia.The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.
I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?- Wikipedia.The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.
The soviets were the "Tanker-nation" of the allied nations.The Soviet Union wasn't part of the Allied Nations. ;)
It's the memoir of Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov. He was in a regular infantry group and after he made it to the KV tank. Alihanov is live in the West all I know about him. The book is hungarian sadly, but surley it was translated.I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?- Wikipedia.The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.
Thanks.It's the memoir of Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov. He was in a regular infantry group and after he made it to the KV tank. Alihanov is live in the West all I know about him. The book is hungarian sadly, but surley it was translated.I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?- Wikipedia.The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.
http://moly.hu/konyvek/pjotr-sztyepanovics-alihanov-nemere-istvan-loveszezred (http://moly.hu/konyvek/pjotr-sztyepanovics-alihanov-nemere-istvan-loveszezred)
Ok, here it is. The Official EF Unit Inclusion Chart!Nice chart :). I should post it on the Ostheer section, where is needed because the reward units for vanilla and soviet faction are pretty much done. Perhaps we should upload it at ModDB, a lot of users are confused about this there :).
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Such a valuable use of my time! :P
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/afv_production.htm#IS (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/afv_production.htm#IS) So iwas searchin for some data about production of this tank and that all i found.That information is useful as well :).
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I know its a stupid question but how big mp/ammo drain he have ? im thinking about using his weaknes against him.
i leave it for others to decide if the is-3 could be used in EF or not. historically it shouldn't but you can argue to keep up relic's sense of history and use it as a one-time call-in ;) (which the danger of some crazy people calling for a Maus ;D)
I don't think it would make a bad reward unit, but brits don't have anything to offer for that. Reward for the Comet? Don't think so, über tanks should be doctrinals and limited to one.
Besides we have a no writen rule that we'll make up to 2 reward units for each faction:
- US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo
- Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC
- Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.
- PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and ???
- SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and ???
So, there's no place for such unit... let alone that Lord Rommel will scold us again for including units with doubtful fighting reputation on ww2 ;).
BurroDiablo, are you saying that you are not going to add the Maus?! :o I am heartbroken! :'(
;D ;D ;D
- US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo
- Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC
- Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.
- PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and ???
- SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and ???
Doesn't the Sturmtiger in BotB basically throw out a V1?
Jagdtiger is out of EF :(. But i think the last reward unit for PE is going to surprise you :).
About the sturmtiger, Halftrack have a model (which uses in his mod, BotB) but we haven't asked him to use it so... it's not a Sturmtiger->Hummel but certainly is closer XD.
To be honest, Voss Tiger is a waste of space and doesn't count as a reward unit. You guys should think about another reward unit for Wehr (not the Maus lol).Actually this is a fact. Voss Tiger skin is:
BurroDiablo, are you saying that you are not going to add the Maus?! :o I am heartbroken! :'(
;D ;D ;D
Why does it have to be the Maus? >:(
No, I think he understands fine. He's probably more excited than any other single person on here about it. We're discussing the pointlessness of including the Voss Tiger skin in the 4 reward per faction limit.
[...]I wonder if anyone can guess what the new PE unit will be before it's announced (who isn't a dev, tester or translator of course).as i have no idea i'll throw in the Nashorn ;)
+1, it should stay as a reward for the tiger, but shouldn't be counted as a real reward unit.To be honest, Voss Tiger is a waste of space and doesn't count as a reward unit. You guys should think about another reward unit for Wehr (not the Maus lol).Actually this is a fact. Voss Tiger skin is:
1) just a skin
2) boring, because there are no stat changes
3) another Tiger
So, no reward units after all. Either it should be replaced or another reward unit should be added.
Jagdtiger is out of EF
No, I think he understands fine. He's probably more excited than any other single person on here about it. We're discussing the pointlessness of including the Voss Tiger skin in the 4 reward per faction limit.
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i also think that a stormtiger works better with terror doctrin than tiger ace, but this would make terror op i think.It's like replacing T-34/85 with IS-2 ::)
i actually hope last reward unit for pe will be the jagdtiger which replace the jagdpanther
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.
Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP... ;)
Only if it would lock down forever.Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.
Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP... ;)
It could have to lock down before firing.. ;)
Only if it would lock down forever.Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.
Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP... ;)
It could have to lock down before firing.. ;)
Tell that to Relic - "KT! KT!" ;D ;D
Don't let my PaK 43/41 question die without a devs answer.
What the hell is it with people who are like "Maus Maus! IS-3 IS-3! Some other barely World War II tank! Rabble Rabble!"
The more people whine about Maus and other stupid tanks, the more and more I hate the diea of the IS-3. It's a cool tank, but this entire super mega tank obsession is getting annoying.
Because it is the HQ where you research the upgrades, I think the icons are the ones of SdKfz. 10 and the upgrade to heal troups. I don't know if they are in beta stage, but the devs don't want us to see them..You are correct, in both assertions.
are there any plans to grant a special call in or abillity when you research all 3 upgrades? like it is at the panzer elite with the two panthers?At this point no. Ostheer currently has a lot of stuff, more than other factions.
Now that you mention it, I remember a lot of whining about soviets having "way too many units and building options". As I see from the 1.4. changelog this "call of the community" was heard. Ironic, isn't it, that the ostheer already has more units and building options than soviets ever did?are there any plans to grant a special call in or abillity when you research all 3 upgrades? like it is at the panzer elite with the two panthers?At this point no. Ostheer currently has a lot of stuff, more than other factions.
Their units aren't redundant, like the penal troops. You may get some units depending of your path teching.Now that you mention it, I remember a lot of whining about soviets having "way too many units and building options". As I see from the 1.4. changelog this "call of the community" was heard. Ironic, isn't it, that the ostheer already has more units and building options than soviets ever did?are there any plans to grant a special call in or abillity when you research all 3 upgrades? like it is at the panzer elite with the two panthers?At this point no. Ostheer currently has a lot of stuff, more than other factions.
Cant forget ZIS-3 8)Their units aren't redundant, like the penal troops. You may get some units depending of your path teching.Now that you mention it, I remember a lot of whining about soviets having "way too many units and building options". As I see from the 1.4. changelog this "call of the community" was heard. Ironic, isn't it, that the ostheer already has more units and building options than soviets ever did?are there any plans to grant a special call in or abillity when you research all 3 upgrades? like it is at the panzer elite with the two panthers?At this point no. Ostheer currently has a lot of stuff, more than other factions.
Now i think, you are whining a lot because of that. So, because we removed penal troops but we introduced Naval Infantry, and everything else remain there soviets have less units. Math doesn't lie, soviets had X units, removed one and added one, so we get X again. I don't see a minor number of units.
ZiS3 is an emplacement.
I'm not whining.
Pools are switchable. Penals/conscripts were not.
You also removed call-in option of T-34/76 after the upgrade, for reason yet unknown to me (I loved it!)
Thank you, I understand. ^-^ It will be interesting to see what you come up with. ;)
Looks abit to much like soviet upgrades, which works in the same way? :PNope, Soviets upgrades only affects one squad. Modernization affects all the units of one tier.