Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mass Killer DL on September 21, 2011, 01:51:16 AM
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I was just wondering if it would be possible for the following to return to EF as I thought that they were relevant, and I enjoyed using these units and ability.
Name: Jagdtiger
Type: Unit
Description: Tank Destroyer 128mm Pak 44 replaced the King Tiger
Reason: Although the Jagdtiger had very limited anti-infantry capabilities, and was also limited with the locked turret I would very much like to see it return to EF as I enjoyed blowing tanks to shreds with its mighty 128mm Pak 44.
Name: Commissar
Type: Unit
Description: Communist Officer armed with a PPSH-43
Reason: I would like to see the Commissar brought back and placed within the Conscripts either when they achieve full rifles from the Urban tree or an upgrade at the Outpost.
Name: Not one step backwards
Type: Ability
Description: The Commissar would shoot a conscript with his TT-33 side arm to break suppression.
Reason: I personally thought that this was a rather intresting ability that ties in with communism, I would like to see this ability return, possibly the same thing being able to break suppression, or something like inspiring the conscripts to fight better for a short period.
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I know Jagdtiger is in fortress mode :P
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Well, I would like to see the JT as PE reward unit of JP. Otherwise it only will stay in the fortress mode :(.
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Well, I would like to see the JT as PE reward unit of JP. Otherwise it only will stay in the fortress mode :(.
Would it not make sense for the Jagdtiger to be a reward unit for the Elephant when the Ostheer are released?
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No, Jagdtiger didn´t fight at the eastern front. Nor the Sturmtiger
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No, Jagdtiger didn´t fight at the eastern front. Nor the Sturmtiger
I thought some were used in Austria against the Soviets?
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No, Jagdtiger didn´t fight at the eastern front. Nor the Sturmtiger
I thought some were used in Austria against the Soviets?
they surrendered to the soviets there. But used mainly on the western front
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No, Jagdtiger didn´t fight at the eastern front. Nor the Sturmtiger
I thought some were used in Austria against the Soviets?
they surrendered to the soviets there. But used mainly on the western front
Well what I know of the combat history they saw action on both the Western and Eastern Front, thus I think that the Jagdtiger is still relevant to EF.
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the jagdtiger was alot of fun but i do prefer the tiger ace. I wish some place could be found for it. Variety is the spice of life.
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If it replaces the Jagdpanther then you would need to raise the cp + mp cost. After all, its basically the same thing but better.
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i would also prefer jagdtiger as a reward for the jagdpanther
the problem is just tankhunter doc has already a reward unit
im not sure it would be a good idea to make a 2nd one in the same doctrin.
or to say it better it is not a good idea :D
but it wouldnt fit in any other doctrin
maybe we will find a way jagdtiger could be used in a doc
but currently not
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in my opinion, the unit is just too powerful for coh. its stats when we removed it were basically a copy of the isu152 before we overhauled it, we would have to seriously tone down the thing if it were to fit into the game
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I would do that just to make it fit CoH ;D.
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I would do that just to make it fit CoH ;D.
Then wouldn't be like an oversized Jagdpanther :3
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Nope, would be stronger and slower than Jagdpanther. How much stronger? That would be up to balance :P.
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The Commissar would shoot a conscript with his TT-33 side arm to break suppression.
Reason: I personally thought that this was a rather intresting ability that ties in with communism.
Communism=to shoot people?? Interesting, Joshep McCarthy said you that?
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The Commissar would shoot a conscript with his TT-33 side arm to break suppression.
Reason: I personally thought that this was a rather intresting ability that ties in with communism.
Communism=to shoot people?? Interesting, Joshep McCarthy said you that?
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ALERT! Potential flame war sighted!
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The Commissar would shoot a conscript with his TT-33 side arm to break suppression.
Reason: I personally thought that this was a rather intresting ability that ties in with communism.
Communism=to shoot people?? Interesting, Joshep McCarthy said you that?
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Nope, would be stronger and slower than Jagdpanther. How much stronger? That would be up to balance :P.
right it wouldnt make sense to add the jagdtiger as a reward for jagdpanther with the same stats and costs
but this would be part of the balance team to check if its ok or not :D
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I think PE doesn't needs more AT Units... The only thing I could imaging is adding it like the tiger 205 as a reward unit for a campaign replacing the jagdpanther but having the same stats.
EDIT: Damn Evil was faster :p.
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The good news is it might come back ;D ;D
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The Commissar would shoot a conscript with his TT-33 side arm to break suppression.
Reason: is cool
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Not one step back is already a part of the prop doc ::)
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Do you guys have decided ti bring the commissars back ? I think he is really best fit in the propaganda doctrine.
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Topic is about Jagdtiger remember...
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and iirc nobody has confirmed that something comes back :D
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Do you guys have decided ti bring the commissars back ? I think he is really best fit in the propaganda doctrine.
8 rifles when going Urban and a commissar when going propaganda and inspired speech when your breakthru. I like it. A custom unit like the ketten. :)
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I like it but where would it go :P? Maybe with red tide you get officer with conscripts. Seems to fit :D
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I too would love to see the Jagdtiger return, (reward unit)
truth is; I have actually never seen it/been able to use it in EF because I arrived to this mod to late :(
Never the less, its an awesome tank ;D
I read that you could "see" it in fortress mode or something.
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Yeah. If you play as the Soviets then near the end (like 2 min left), a Jagdtiger will come rolling towards your base, along with KT's :D
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I do apologise for not replying to my topic sooner as I was on Holiday for two weeks, though I am glad many of you have taken an intrest in this topic and that a few of you would like to see these units/abilities return to EF.
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No rush :P :D
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i to would love to see the jagdtiger return it fit so well into the terror doctrine and it was an equal of value reward unit for the king tiger the tiger ace is a down graded reward unit if a king tiger and a tiger ace had a one on one down a narrow street guess who would win? the KT however if the JT and the KT did a one on one it would be closer.
alternatively as it was mainly used in defensive operations in the German fatherland it could replace the flak 88 in the Wehrmacht defensive doctrine.
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JT will not be back for either of those units. MAYBE you will see it replace something else.
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Will it have a new skin? Dont get me wrong. I loved the jagdtiger but it werent exactly beautiful XD
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A few people didn't like the Skin, But this ain't ain't a beauty contest ha ha.
I don't/didn't mind the Skin tbh, I remember playing a game where my ally brought in a KT and I brought a JT, and the soviet players didn't stand a chance.
So it may return then? It was no doubt a game changing piece of equipment and I think if it was used right in WW2 it would have proven that it was a fierce machine.
And of course R.I.P MrScruff
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I remembered the Jagdtiger when i got this before, and when i realized the Jagdtiger was replaced, i was kinda sad :(. I personally liked the Jagdtiger and hope it returns (at least somewhere >_>). I just think that the tiger ace is kinda....useless In My Opinion (mostly not really good with tank micro). Besides, if the Tiger 205 can be balance to the ace-like unit, having the original tiger in its place, also, not really in-game related, if Shultz commands the Tiger Ace before, yet Voss in the 205 having Shultz in the crew before...isn't that a bit....odd?(just my opinion). Also, the problem with the jagdtiger, have the King Tiger being much faster than the Jagdtiger, and the Jagdtiger like a offensive cannon of terror, being tough and possibly a bit more expensive, but still being able to defeat with armor like the King Tiger (hopefully time will balance what happens). Finally, about the skins, for me, skins don't really matter, might as well change the tiger ace skin to the 205 and the 205 skin and original skin of the tiger isn't much of a difference either. Hope this solution helps. Weither it did or not, at least I got that say out of my system :-\.
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I think it's been mentioned already somewhere that the Jagdtiger is returning. If not, oh well... yes, the Jagdtiger is coming back.
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I think it's been mentioned already somewhere that the Jagdtiger is returning. If not, oh well... yes, the Jagdtiger is coming back.
Hooray ;D. This I honestly did not know :P
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I think it's been mentioned already somewhere that the Jagdtiger is returning. If not, oh well... yes, the Jagdtiger is coming back.
Thank you
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Yeah! Thank you <3 I loved the jagdtiger!
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Now what will happen to their precious Pershings and IS-3s. They will get pwned.
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Now what will happen to their precious Pershings and IS-3s. They will get pwned.
Jagdtiger was really hard to balance (like other "Super-Heavy-Endgame-Tanks"), cause in the first versions he was OP. Looking forward for some epic battles of the beasts - Jagdtiger vs IS3 yaaayy ;D
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The King of Terror returns to crush the Allied Armour ha ha ha
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He's not the King of terror.
JT will not be back for either of those units. MAYBE you will see it replace something else.
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Well I wasn't referring to the Doctrine I was just saying he is the King of Terror in general :p
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He's not the King of terror.
JT will not be back for either of those units. MAYBE you will see it replace something else.
let me think, there is one more unit for the axis it could replace ;) btw who said it will be for wehr? :-X
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He's not the King of terror.
Correct, he's the king of wasted resources.. ;)
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Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P
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Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P
lol, you forgot to mention that it can call down V2s ;D
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Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P
hilarious
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Maybe Jagdtiger can replace Wher's blitz Tiger just like the IS-3 replaces IS-152. Make the Jagd one time call in?
IDk if u guys(EF team) already have an idea where 2 put it then forget my post :P
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Jagtiger has already its place and is nearly finished balance wise.
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Jagtiger has already its place and is nearly finished balance wise.
Then in that case approximately when shall the next patch be realeased? Just curious (and eager :D)
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Well you know the answer ;)
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Honestly, I don't know. There are some issues to be addressed before the next release and most of the Devs are free until January.
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Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P
lol, you forgot to mention that it can call down V2s ;D
That was a secret! >:(
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Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P
lol, you forgot to mention that it can call down V2s ;D
That was a secret! >:(
LOL it can call them down from the other side of the map :P
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Well, at least im glad the jagdtiger will be back at some other place at least >_>. For me I just perfer the diversity of units in the game, I only believe the tiger ace is something really not needed, and except of putting a unit in place, it all just takes the means of balance and skin overall. Despite this being a solution or possibly a complaint, I played EF and loved it, and still to this day. So i'll stick to any developer's advice(not having experience about game balance and tactics). Besides, EF is the only mod I really enjoyed when i first got it (and stayed awake to the end O_O).
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I only believe the tiger ace is something really not needed
Blasphemy! I think most Wehr players love the Tiger Ace as its a decent well-rounded unit in armour and speed, a welcome reward for the King Tiger which is has epic armour but crap speed (not 100% on the gun, I think the Tiger Ace does more dmg to Infantry but don't quote me on that...)
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I'm not hating on the tiger ace >_<. I do like it, but certainly except putting a reward unit like that you guys could change the stats of the 205 reward tiger, giving the option of either the strength of a tank killer for the original tiger, and have the elite speed and accuracy of the tiger ace. As for the jagdtiger, it can basically be a support gun role, same armor and speed as the king tiger, but only a slighty better gun. Like I said in my other comment, I don't mind about the tiger ace, it just seems really useless if you add another tiger as a reward unit, but really only need to just change the skin and restat the reward tiger we already have. (Noted before in the comment: Its just matter of opinion, I love the EF mod and support the developers and members of this community and their judgement. I am only just putting this as something you may think about =/)
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EF seems to be becoming a zoo
We have
Bergetiger; Tiger I; Tiger II; Tiger Ace; Tiger 205
Panther; Jagdpanther
Hummel; Nashorn
Soon we will have the
Elefant; Wespe
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A german zoo ;D. The is also the ISU-152 which is an "animal killer" and the henshel (plz forgive the spelling) King Tiger.
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The Tiger ace rocks! Its the ultimate infantry blobkiller! The only thing I got against it its the skin. I would rather have an Panther II or something ( prototypes YEAH <3) Now its a black tiger 1. Dont get me wrong I think its awesome. But I know that in many peoples eyes this looks like somekind of batmobile warhammer rock and roll merchandise tank just because of thatXD
Do we know what unit the jagdtiger will replace? The wehr 88 ? ;o
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i know ;) but can´t tell you :P
A faster tiger is very deadly. It can hit, do much damage and retreat in the FOW again. Thats why it was in the Terror doctrine from the beginning. It fits perfectly the "terror" theme. I wouldn´t call it just another tiger because the speed makes the difference.
EF won´t change vcoh faction units. Thats why tiger205 reward will be kept untouched even if its a bit sensless.
Jagdtiger is indeed a support unit, the jagdpanther can fight on its own.
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i know ;) but can´t tell you :P
A faster tiger is very deadly. It can hit, do much damage and retreat in the FOW again. Thats why it was in the Terror doctrine from the beginning. It fits perfectly the "terror" theme. I wouldn´t call it just another tiger because the speed makes the difference.
EF won´t change vcoh faction units. Thats why tiger205 reward will be kept untouched even if its a bit sensless.
Jagdtiger is indeed a support unit, the jagdpanther can fight on its own.
Damn you and your secrets! :p
And now now we have had this discusion Tiger Ace sucks ;D , Nah JK I'm not a fan of the Tiger Ace but it does fit the doctrine so I can't complain ... To much :P
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the facts are these,
1; the tiger ace is a very versatile unit that can out-flank other units easily, and even be put up against a superior unit, damage it, and still get away with low health.
2; the king tiger is an extremely powerful unit that can devastate other units without having to flank, and when backed up by other tanks, is almost unstoppable.
whether you prefer the tiger ace, or the KT, is up to your play style, both units are great, and neither one "suck."
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Tiger Ace does suck right now, but with the new planned changes to Crack Shot, if the cool-down is not managed properly, it may potentially become slightly OP next patch.
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Some times I feel like TA is like a fast Tiger. Thats all :'(. When Crack Shot is improved then it'll be better I guess :D
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Tiger Ace does suck right now
i disagree.
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Tiger Ace does suck right now
i disagree.
I think Yauz means it sucks compared to the KT :P
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either way.
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Some times I feel like TA is like a fast Tiger. Thats all :'(. When Crack Shot is improved then it'll be better I guess :D
That's the thing. Movement speed is mostly irrelevant in high level matches, especially for a 1-time call-in. Some noobs may think otherwise, but this is the truth. Reload speed is a whole different story, but I don't think the TA shoots significantly faster than the KT.
In the end, it mainly all comes down to gun stats and health / armor. The TA currently has a strong gun versus infantry, and a weak gun versus heavy tanks that cannot even penetrate an IS-2 reliably, while the KT's gun is effective versus armor and weaker versus infantry. So the guns are pretty equal, they are just specialized in different areas, but as for the health / armor, the KT has the upper hand by far. Armor and health will help a lot more than unit speed in terms of survivability.
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I think the KT is pretty effective vs Infantry when its shots actually hit. IDK its accuracy but IMO the Tiger is better
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which tiger though? ace or king?
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Ace and regular
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When I said it sucks I was comparing it to the KT, its a good unit and all but if give the option to use the KT or the TA I would pick the KT, But we all have our preferences I suppose.
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Having people on both sides who think one is better than the other means we have balanced it pretty well. In 1.5, while it is still powerful, it is bugged so that crack shot sucks and is crushed by IS-2s. With the changes, the tanks should be even.
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Excellent. Will the jagdtiger be released with the next patch?
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Probably, yes.
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yay! at least it'll be here somewhere. people do have a point of putting the tiger ace there, despite being weaker than the tiger ace. at least give something of specialty when in veteran, i'm still wondering what the jagdtiger is gonna replace, and how? besides, you have 4 reward units in place already. ???
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Well the TA cant gain veterancy but it can use crack shot (which will be fixed).
And besides that policy of 4 reard units isnt concrete :P
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wait, why isnt the ace affected by vet?
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It comes with inbuilt vet (better stats) like the KT. The TA has never had vet since the beginning of CoH.
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KT, Jagdtiger, and the TA have never been able to gain vet cause they're already powerful.
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hmm. oh well, all that mp spent on tank veterancy didnt help.
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So you threw over 100 fuel down the drain?
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The vet you buy will still go to your other troops :P
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yea, not down the drain, just didnt help my call ins
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It depends, if you didn't build tanks it was a waste. On the other hand if you did build tanks....
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Well then you better start building them :P