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Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Red Army Suggestions => Topic started by: cephalos on February 03, 2012, 06:07:50 PM

Title: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: cephalos on February 03, 2012, 06:07:50 PM: So basically my question here is about ZiS-2 ( upgraded and not) stats comparing to Pak38 and 57mm AT Gun. I'd be glad if those would be as precise as possible :)
Also what's Zis-2 veterancy bonuses?

GUN / RANGE / DAMAGE / ACCURACY ( short/medium/long)

PAK38 / 60 / 115 / 1/0.9/0.65
M1 57mm/ 60 / 150 / 1/0.9/0.65
ZiS-2 / 57 / 125 / 1/0.9/0.65
Up.ZiS-2 / 57 / 145 / 1/0.9/0.65
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Max 'DonXavi' von B. on February 03, 2012, 07:13:11 PM: Thanks bish :)
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: stealthattack1 on February 03, 2012, 09:47:56 PM: i think there are conversations that i didnt see, but this is a good chart so, thanks! (to whoever)
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Max 'DonXavi' von B. on February 03, 2012, 10:16:52 PM: blackbishop just edited cephalos' post instead of answering it ;)
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: cephalos on February 03, 2012, 10:25:37 PM: yea :) thanks blacky ;D

I was wondering why soviet Zis-2 is so insanely effective against AC. And now I know - 145 dmg :o
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Blackbishop on February 03, 2012, 10:36:28 PM: We can still tone down the dmg vs armoured cars and PE halftracks if needed :).
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Pac-Fish on February 03, 2012, 11:01:18 PM: Well its damage is similar to the 57mm :P. Maybe it appears high cause the AC and HT have a different type of armor that changes the ZiS dmg ???.

I never noticed its dmg against AC. Never seems to hit it for me :(
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Tankbuster on February 04, 2012, 06:57:26 AM: It always hits my AC though.
Read the 1st post, my volks are making a beeline for the upgunned ZiS.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Zerstörer on February 12, 2012, 10:01:18 AM: (http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bfr/lowres/bfrn73l.jpg)
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Killar on February 12, 2012, 11:48:48 AM: Quote from: blackbishop on February 03, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
We can still tone down the dmg vs armoured cars and PE halftracks if needed :).

THe upgraded Zis gun is still weaker than the US 57mm made by relic. Why should we tone it down?
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: cephalos on February 12, 2012, 12:13:54 PM: Quote from: Killar on February 12, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: blackbishop on February 03, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
We can still tone down the dmg vs armoured cars and PE halftracks if needed :).

THe upgraded Zis gun is still weaker than the US 57mm made by relic. Why should we tone it down?

I don't know. It was bishop's suggestion. But truth is that Zis-2 is insanely effective against AC... even more than 57mm. I have no idea why, but 2-shooting AC isn't suprising to me.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: GodlikeDennis on February 12, 2012, 01:08:33 PM: The US 57mm also 2 shots ACs.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Cranialwizard on February 12, 2012, 01:13:12 PM: Quote from: Zerstörer on February 12, 2012, 10:01:18 AM
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bfr/lowres/bfrn73l.jpg)

Why don't you suggest a change?
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Killar on February 12, 2012, 01:14:59 PM: he didnt want to suggest a change, he just said "dont fix what is not broken"
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Cranialwizard on February 12, 2012, 01:15:50 PM: Ah ok I misunderstood*
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: bopokippo on February 24, 2012, 12:14:27 AM: BTW do ZiS-2s have more penetration than M1 57mm? I think they should (if they don't already) because historically they did, they cost more, and they do less damage.

It may have been my armor upgrade for them, but I saw my ZiS penetrate the front of a panther consistently which I have not seen the M1 57mm do without AP rounds so I was just wondering...
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Pac-Fish on February 24, 2012, 04:14:07 AM: I think the Gunery Verterans help the performance of the ZiS gun.

And I think the gun is more expensive because you can get it much faster than other factions can get AT guns. Just like the Wehr AT gun is more expensive than the US AT gun. Same for the Wehr and US mortars.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Tankbuster on February 24, 2012, 07:17:28 AM: On the other hand the ZiS has shit penetration against the Sherman's front armor
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Pac-Fish on February 24, 2012, 07:23:17 AM: Quote from: Tankbuster on February 24, 2012, 07:17:28 AM
On the other hand the ZiS has shit penetration against the Sherman's front armor

LOL what is with you and US vs SU match ups :P ?
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Tankbuster on February 24, 2012, 09:38:28 AM: Quote from: Trannyhunterx on February 24, 2012, 07:23:17 AM
Quote from: Tankbuster on February 24, 2012, 07:17:28 AM
On the other hand the ZiS has shit penetration against the Sherman's front armor

LOL what is with you and US vs SU match ups :P ?

Lets say that I have a thing for US vs SU.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: stealthattack1 on February 24, 2012, 06:33:15 PM: i would be pumped to play a US vs SU match with you if you want tankbuster. i personally think it sounds fun.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Tankbuster on February 25, 2012, 04:51:40 AM: I can only play online when I get good marks in my Exams, which are in 2013 :'(
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Pac-Fish on February 25, 2012, 01:53:12 PM: Quote from: stealthattack1 on February 24, 2012, 06:33:15 PM
i would be pumped to play a US vs SU match with you if you want tankbuster. i personally think it sounds fun.

I could play a cold war game if u want ;)
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: stealthattack1 on February 26, 2012, 07:10:51 PM: maybe we could do that in a couple days or so! sounds fun!
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: bopokippo on February 29, 2012, 03:59:52 AM: Quote from: Trannyhunterx on February 24, 2012, 04:14:07 AM
I think the Gunery Verterans help the performance of the ZiS gun.

And I think the gun is more expensive because you can get it much faster than other factions can get AT guns. Just like the Wehr AT gun is more expensive than the US AT gun. Same for the Wehr and US mortars.

But at least the PaK can cloak...
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: GodlikeDennis on February 29, 2012, 04:13:12 AM: The Pak also has to face off against a lot more off-maps and arty than allied weaponry. The Pak deals less damage too.

The ZiS is fine. It's actually extremely powerful when upgraded and dug-in.
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: Pac-Fish on February 29, 2012, 04:21:43 AM: What bonuses do the ZiS get when dig in? Do you remember the statistical values ???
Title: Re: [1.6] Zis-2 and other faction's AT measures
Post by: stealthattack1 on February 29, 2012, 07:18:48 AM: more accurate is one i think. i just love getting the upgrade and have one cover the flank of another, the panther exploding due to soviet AT is good for the soul.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/rsemgk.jpg)