Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Other discussions (Read-Only) => Off Topic => Topic started by: beagletank on May 03, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
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Hi everyone,
If there already exist a suitable thread, you can close this one.
Company of Heroes 2 has been announced. And we will fight at the Eastern Front! No kidding. ;)
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/company-of-heroes-2/news/company_of_heroes_2,47637,2567450.html (http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/company-of-heroes-2/news/company_of_heroes_2,47637,2567450.html) (sorry, it´s german)
And the article from PC Gamer. (english)
http://imgur.com/a/67xoi/noscript (http://imgur.com/a/67xoi/noscript)
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There are already two threads. One in the balance and one in the Dev forums :D. So yeah... now we have to speed up with our work I guess.
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What will be with EF when will appear a new part of CoH? :'(
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What will be with EF when will appear a new part of CoH? :'(
That depends on the community. So what will you do? Continuing playing EF mod or ditch it in favor of Coh2?
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Well sh!t... I half expect this to go the way of Dawn of War. If that's the case, we can expect better graphics, more factions (at least after official add-ons), and a change from company-strength forces battling to platoon-strength at best. If anyone has played (and loved) DoW, then played DoW2, you'll know what I mean.
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I guess it will be only two factions; Wehr vs Soviets. I don't think they will add others here because it is not an expansion. A brand new game with a new designed Wehrmacht and Soviets.
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What will be with EF when will appear a new part of CoH? :'(
IMO it depends on how well this new COH game goes. If its trash then Im sure ppl will defect here. If not then it was nice knowing you all :D
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Okay, on the factions debate...
What happened with DoW1 was they saved a very popular faction and released it as a primary faction in DoW2. They later released 3 factions in expansion packs (4 were in the core game).
I expect 2 armies will be featured in the original release, with more coming in expansions.
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I agree. Relic is no novice at creating interesting and downright addictive RTS experiences. Since Relic has stated they aren't leaving the CoH formula behind, but rather expanding and branching out with 'something that ain't broken, so they aren't gonna fix it' type of plan going on.
I would honestly have to be in favor of a CoH Eastern Front over a mod Eastern Front, as I trust professional game designers to do what they do best. But only time will tell if this new game will be worth it. If it is, well, nice knowing you guys. But lets wait and see =D
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Unless COH2 is somehow substantially better than EF I will continue to play both. I've no doubt that Relic will try a few innovative things in COH2 that may not work out to well and will actually ruin the feel of CoH. I'm talking here about this mention of the snow drifts having an effect on tanks and such. I don't want CoH to be realistic. I don't want it to be small scale/tactical like DoW2. I want it to keep the awesome arcadey feel it always had. For now, I can say that most of the balancers and dev team are as committed to EF as ever and will work even harder to get OH to the community as fast as possible.
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The new snow features sounds awesome. ! :D
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"After retreating his Soviet soldiers from a German MG squad pinning them... "Another machinegun is waiting for them. This one is operated by fellow Soviet soldiers. They glumly open fire, carrying out Order 227 and killing their own."
I guess if you retreat as Soviets, your base mg rapes you :D So No retreat no surrender = carnage!
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some one plz translate the russian text in the coh website
http://www.companyofheroes.com/
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most likely implying it is released on 7 march I guess
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Брифинг начнется 7 Мая = The briefing will begin 7th of May
я makes a 'Ya' sound, not an 'R' sound.
This concludes our lesson in elementary Russian :P
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We will see on 7 may. ;)
7 мая - увидим. ;)
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I find your name funny... almost... prophetic ;D
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:P
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http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/55300/ss_a3ade218ba36c2f1d635f28ded84eae06afae0a7.1920x1080.jpg?t=1336410365
Just wondering if someone had noticed this :D
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This picture looks photoshopped to me.
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IIRC its on COH2 magazine :P
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This picture looks photoshopped to me.
I've see it also on their forum, it should be true.
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It is even annouced by Relic on their Facebook page.
Just for information: looks like they took a lot of objects from CoH 1. I see a tractor, bushes, fences, splats from CoH1 :P.
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It is even annouced by Relic on their Facebook page.
Just for information: looks like they took a lot of objects from CoH 1. I see a tractor, bushes, fences, splats from CoH1 :P.
Increases the chance for a worldbuilder being brought by CoH2 :D
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it better be modder friendly, considering what they ripped off.
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More stuff! Wow!
http://blisteredones.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=2851#p2851
Though it's German, here are some more news:
- Tanks able to cross frozen rivers/lakes
- Summer? "The soldier's equipment changes with times of the year. In Summer, infatry doesn't wear gloves."
- Frozen soldiers
- T-34/SU-76/Panzer IV spotter
- Wreck models from COH 1?
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Tanks can be mounted (tank riders?!), thin ice breaks when tanks roll over it, line of sight be be opened up or reduced with the destruction of objects and terrain.
Also, does anybody else see what looks like Panzer IV's stuck in snow banks?
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Elburro/AEREA/pzivcoh2.jpg)
I wonder if Tanks crews will be able to abandon tanks in that case... and will tanks be capturable? Unless these are just map objects.
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looks like a p4 to me.
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First one is clearly a Panzer IV wreck stuck in the snow. That H key comes in quite handy from time to time.. ;)
Taking a closer look at the heap of pictures, a skilled mapper will recognize many objects from the current CoH. There's a truck on the ice behind some floating boxes, that one was already in CoH1 for example.
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I believe those two images are the same place taken from different angles, the PzIV in the second image doesn't look like it's a wreck at all. This may be a campaign mission, judging by the frozen corpses behind the sandbags, I doubt corpses will stay on the field and freeze in MP/Skirmish games, simply because it would lag lengthy and/or 4-8p games.
Oh, and the confirmation of soldiers changing their gear depending on the map is pretty awesome, I hope they allow the customisation of units in MP games, even if it's picking tank paint jobs or period uniforms.
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If I read it correctly from the link you gave (maxi's link), in the second pic, it would be a squad of russian ingenery or Sapper squad equipped with ROK flammer. Also I'm surprised about the squad size too, it's a five man squad would be a trouble to counter in early game if the German counterpart pioneer is the same 2man squad as it is now.
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(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/465257_414036608627338_121191071245228_1248411_1600639066_o.jpg)
;D
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Wah?
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LOL:
Hi, Im Stalin. And welcome to my Crib ;D
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Relic are gearing up to show the rest of the gaming magazines/websites CoH2 stuff, judging by that image I guess they'll be letting them play a bit too. Not sure when this is, sometime in the week probably, but I expect more CoH2 news and images soon from various places. I'd like to see a unit list or something.
LOL:
Hi, Im Stalin. And welcome to my Crib ;D
Pfft, more like 'Hi, I played Red Alert 1 when I was 12, welcome to my crib' :P
Yeah... I wouldn't mind a house like that :-[
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I wounder if the germans in COH2 will have something changed or new? Or if they are going to be COH1 wehr but in better graphics :>
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Well it's an Eastern Front based game so they better have an Elefant and captured T-34s
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You will be able to steal enemy tanks, by the way ;)
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Well I can see gameplay is going to be much different now :P
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You will be able to steal enemy tanks, by the way ;)
That'll be tough to balance I fear. What will the Axis do if the Soviets capture a King Tiger? They literally have nothing powerful enough to penetrate it save for the Flak88 and maybe a lucky Panther
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Capture enemy tanks? I love the idea but, thats a really big change from the first game. Like Cranial said, what if they capture a king tiger?
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Well one option to fix that kind of issue would be to have equal tanks on both sides, if not an exact copy in terms of stats. May be boring, but would balance things at least :/
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If the Germans lose a King Tiger, they capture an IS-3. Easy as that. lol
Kidding, what was the counterpart to a King Tiger IRL? :P
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There was none
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Well then why should CoH2 have one? :P
I mean in all seriousness, who's gonna let a King Tiger alone in the open field to flank the enemy? Imo, even if it might be overpowered, players would have to worry about supporting their tanks with infantry now.
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You guys are thinking in COH terms. There will obviously trained German ninja assassin commando robots ready to steal that KT back :P
You never know. Maybe there wont be a KT. Maybe they'll be buildable. Who really knows?
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Who really knows?
devs i guess
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I wounder if they will replace the knightcross holders with something more.. realistic? XD
3 nazi rockstars with panzer uniforms, cruiser hats and mp44s killing everything without any spare mags on them aint realistic no..
They should have capes ;3
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Nazi Rockstars? XD
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I had to make a quick sketch of it!
(http://i.imgur.com/vWZqJ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/vWZqJ)
YEAH. Thats badass,
Well they have Knightcrosses. Thats like having the medal of honor, you will be praised like a hero back home!
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Nice Drawing :D! I like how one has sunglasses XD
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Boss! dude that is really good!
(you should make it your signature or something!)
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KT will be in no doubt, IS-2 would be a match for the KT, not like the uber-nerf version with have in EF. If tanks are capturable, makes me wonder if they're going to add in stuff like crew members getting injured or killed whenever the tank is hit, would make combat much more unpredictable even in heavy tanks... no more, running in with a Panther, killing as much as you can, then running back to your Pio's for repairs. Also, if this is the case, is tank combat going to be that touch more realistic? Like Men of War... with health bars.
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KT will be in no doubt, IS-2 would be a match for the KT, not like the uber-nerf version with have in EF.
Actually the IS2 was far inferior to the KT, but slightly better to the Tiger (not at the distant though). The current ingame version is not so inaccurate as you think. However IS2 and panther could knock out each other from the same distance by being the panther much more mobile. Maybe thats why i get nervous when i face a panther spam :P
I would laugh so loud when Coh2 has EF1.0 conditions: No retreat, can´t capture weapons, weapon crews that kill full health volks, axis winning because soviets start to spam kats all the time xD
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Thanks boys <3
Iam really hoping for something new on the german side, and not ostheer material . Something completely new! Might be hard to think up something that havent been touch before.
Hmmm, I want Maus <3
I wounder if it will have reward units? And if it have, if you start out with some or have to wait for some expansions : >
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Really really great drawing, Sommarkatze! You have a PM by the way ;)
I just wonder what the left guy does with his right hand?
I would laugh so loud when Coh2 has EF1.0 conditions: No retreat, can´t capture weapons, weapon crews that kill full health volks, axis winning because soviets start to spam kats all the time xD
Yeah that would be the "lol-moment" of the gaming year 2013 ;D What a bad kind of copy ;D
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I just wonder what the left guy does with his right hand?
Pretending to sturm an invisible gutair XD
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KT will be in no doubt, IS-2 would be a match for the KT, not like the uber-nerf version with have in EF.
Actually the IS2 was far inferior to the KT, but slightly better to the Tiger (not at the distant though). The current ingame version is not so inaccurate as you think. However IS2 and panther could knock out each other from the same distance by being the panther much more mobile. Maybe thats why i get nervous when i face a panther spam :P
I would laugh so loud when Coh2 has EF1.0 conditions: No retreat, can´t capture weapons, weapon crews that kill full health volks, axis winning because soviets start to spam kats all the time xD
Was talking in game, where tank combat happens at about 5ft and penetration tables shouldn't really matter :P In reality, tank combat is much more than just a war of numbers (who's got the better gun, who's go the thicker armor), as anything is possible, a lot of KT's had engine problems, some of the time it come down to crew competence, the Tiger at Bovington was knocked out by a Churchill when the 57mm shell jammed the turret from moving, far removed from what a Chruchill's capabilities are on paper. Not that any of this affects the game, I still expect the IS-2 to be a a match for the KT, not saying the IS2 would win toe to toe with a KT in game, but it would certainly leave it a little worse for wear. IS-2 would probably be on par with a Tiger 1, the Tiger 1 can get off more shots in a shorter space of time that an IS2.
I'm looking forward to seeing images of a sexy IS-2 in game now anyway. I have until October Relic, and I want it to be pretty goddamn sexy... put it in a bikini if you have to.
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Sorry Burro, best I could get you for a five minute paint job 8)
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"Sexy IS-2" You have made my day Cranialwizard XD!
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I wonder what size bikini it wears :P?
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Thanks Maxi! I did first notice that now, hmm.. He is hiding his boner! <3
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I would laugh so loud when Coh2 has EF1.0 conditions: No retreat, can´t capture weapons, weapon crews that kill full health volks, axis winning because soviets start to spam kats all the time xD
LOL i bet all the relic employees had a big laugh when they saw the soviet 1.0 faction design.
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I would laugh so loud when Coh2 has EF1.0 conditions: No retreat, can´t capture weapons, weapon crews that kill full health volks, axis winning because soviets start to spam kats all the time xD
LOL i bet all the relic employees had a big laugh when they saw the soviet 1.0 faction design.
haha yes 1.0 had realy some big design issues XD
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Good lord
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/477781_417998581564474_121191071245228_1258797_1083948944_o.jpg)
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/465085_417998614897804_121191071245228_1258798_1824565121_o.jpg)
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/461948_417998638231135_121191071245228_1258799_464352971_o.jpg)
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/479099_417998668231132_121191071245228_1258800_1868607663_o.jpg)
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/479283_417998704897795_121191071245228_1258801_1707486213_o.jpg)
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I see a lot of things from CoH 1!
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I know XD
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Burro do something! I want that church :D!
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All the flame pictures are awesome <3 However I want the grenadier lmg mg42 standing in front of the flames with his- Avenge your fallen comrades with their blood!
Show us the germans god dammit! <3
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Those pics there Burro :o ZOMFG
I see a lot of things from CoH 1!
Yea me too, its pretty cool
All the flame pictures are awesome <3 However I want the grenadier lmg mg42 standing in front of the flames with his- Avenge your fallen comrades with their blood!
Show us the germans god dammit! <3
You can see a dead German soldier near the flamethrower cylinder
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Burro do something! I want that church :D!
All in good time, vehicles first remember :P
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/22/company-of-heroes-2-small-changes-big-differences
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I see a lot of things from CoH 1!
Yea me too, its pretty cool
Meh, I could tell you every objects file path and name, except of the new Soviet houses and churches, spontaneously. Somehow Relic leaves me disappointed once more. At least some new environmental objects would have been great..
Cool pictures nonetheless.
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maxi, you don't see the snow?
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I see a lot of things from CoH 1!
Yea me too, its pretty cool
Meh, I could tell you every objects file path and name, except of the new Soviet houses and churches, spontaneously. Somehow Relic leaves me disappointed once more. At least some new environmental objects would have been great..
Cool pictures nonetheless.
I'm not really that bothered about it tbh, hopefully less misc. environment objects means more urban and rural Soviet buildings. On that note, I can't wait to see some urban settings.
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Yea im not bothered with Relic is recycleing some objects from coh1, if it saves them time and adds more variety into the game then wheres the problem?
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Stalingrad will be so epic. I can't wait for that.
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New screens:
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303529_433573100007022_1280931570_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/599662_433573183340347_373956735_n.jpg)
The ice on the second one looks just epic. :o
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Sturmovie with double flamers? :O
To be honest its hard to tell the ingame graphics. All pics ever posted look so comic like. Defenitly some sort of loading screen or something altered by a program.
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I like the little fur hats these guys have :3
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Hungarian PzIV? That's not a normal Balkenkreuz. I wish to fuck they'd show some different vehicles.
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Animations haven't changed as I see. As well as the sandbags lol :P. Just the rendering seems to be better now including the alpha channel now working correctly. (Look at the window)
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The ice on the second one looks just epic. :o
It instantly remembered me of Lord van Dalen xD
Hungarian PzIV? That's not a normal Balkenkreuz. I wish to fuck they'd show some different vehicles.
The Flamers on the first pic remembered me of Sturmovie double flamer squad.
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Hungarian PzIV? That's not a normal Balkenkreuz.
Customise skins pleaaaaaaaaaase <3
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D you think it will be possibly to import all the work from EF into CoH 2? I'm asking only because some of us may not like the faction designs that Relic make.
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I guess so, considering that Relic themselves are recycling CoH1 models. The engine really hasn't changed that much from what I can see.
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D you think it will be possibly to import all the work from EF into CoH 2? I'm asking only because some of us may not like the faction designs that Relic make.
I guess they'll still use .rgm/.rga/.rgo files so it's piece of cake.
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*If* it is possible to import the EF work, wouldn't it then be possible to import the british, americans wehrmacht and panzer elite?
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That would be neat! Then you dont have to spend money on expansion packs with the old factions DOWII style! :D
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*If* it is possible to import the EF work, wouldn't it then be possible to import the british, americans wehrmacht and panzer elite?
Yes but that's not our work so we won't do it I guess.
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Yes but that's not our work so we won't do it I guess.
Of course, its a lot of work. But i guess someone would do it.
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New Stuff! (http://blisteredones.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=3882&sid=09c0b3fefef9fb032052b1af92a071e4#p3882)
Providing that this magazine is a reliable source, there are following facts:
- Direct control will not come back
- Changing uniforms (according to the seasons) are confirmed
- Eastern Front is being mentioned as a great add-on for CoH1
- You are able to recogize vehicles/infantry by the marks they leave in the snow
- AI is supposed to become smarter and feel less like it's cheating
Thanks to pariah for the heads up.
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- Eastern Front is being mentioned as a great add-on for CoH1
Finally? They also write that we influenced them! Another step forward to the world rule! :D
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I believe they also mentioned larger squad sizes and the ability to vault over cover.
And I can't wait until I have a fleet of Soviet Panthers >:D
Oh and how exactly did they helps EF with their last patches?
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I think it was nice of Relic noticing you guys. You done a really good work <3
Ask for work? :P
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They made it possible for us to unlock factions without using Copes workaround... that's why the Soviets are locked if you try to play EF with older patches :P They probably did some other things, but the unlocking of factions sticks in my mind.
They'd have been mad to slap us with a cease and desist order... I've heard of people buying CoH simply because EF exists. It's nice to see that they 'love' the modding community, hopefully this confirms modding support for CoH2.
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According to the German Gamestar magazine, CoH2 players will be provided with DLCs just like in CoH1. They plan to release "Werkzeuge" (tools) as well.. ;)
Once again thanks to pariah.
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They made it possible for us to unlock factions without using Copes workaround... that's why the Soviets are locked if you try to play EF with older patches :P They probably did some other things, but the unlocking of factions sticks in my mind.
They'd have been mad to slap us with a cease and desist order... I've heard of people buying CoH simply because EF exists. It's nice to see that they 'love' the modding community, hopefully this confirms modding support for CoH2.
Sounds like a bit of self-interest there. If people are indeed buying CoH just to play EF then they sure as hell don't want people to just pirate the game to play EF.
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Of course not, but then again people rarely pirate games just to play mods - financial, judging game quality and Steam unavailiblity are much larger reasons for piracy. If anything, those who play EF, pirated CoH and have yet to buy it probably did so to play the CoH base game only to stumble across EF later when they got bored. Even pirates have the potential to become customers given they like the game and want to take it further by playing online and what not.
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Well piracy wouldn't be so high if the developers would stop releasing unfinished bullshit. The latest thing was Iron Front, I should have download it first before I buy it because see: I spent 30€ and it didn't work? Seriously? I don't hide that I download pirated games. I only use them as a safety measure so I really get what I see on the pictures and what's written in the descriptions. There are so many crap games out there. In my opinion increasing the price of the game ("to get the piracy damage back in again") is just going the wrong way, higher punishment, too. A better way would a good legal offer which everyone can afford.
Steam already made a huge step towards it with the guest pass, so you are actually see what you'll get and not a fucked up never updated Demo.
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Trailer no. 1 is out!!! :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5j0cBqhm3A
Enjoy!
+ SU-76 pic:
(http://hq-coh.com/media/HQ_CoH_Webseite/Company_of_Heroes_2/10.jpg)
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Not much about actual gameplay in the trailer :P
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SU-76 being used for indirect fire eh? They've done their homework then :P
Trailer was meh... Relic have somehow got it in their heads that everybody is ignorant of the Eastern Front except themselves. It has smattering of a child who's just learned where babies come for two years too late, then when he asks classmates if they know where babies come from, he gets the answer 'Well duh, fucknuts', to which he becomes very defensive and insists he's known for years that it wasn't just storks.
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I wounder if the germans will be using swaztikas in COH2 ?
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I wounder if the germans will be using swaztikas in COH2 ?
They probably wont. They don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I mean they didn't even use the term SS in the first COH which is basically what the Stormtroopers were
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There were quite a lot of swaztikas in the trailer. But that werent ingame graphic ofc. I can think many people are going to get the famous whitetrash skinhead argument
- Why can we have the hammer and sickle and not the swaztika ? the commis were worse!
Dont start a flamewar <3 IMO I dont care <3
Hmm, Am I the only one who dont see the stormtroopers as SS? I mean I can understand if people get that view. But only because they wear camo and got the title stormtroopers ( that aint what ss stands for that some people belive ) doesnt mean they are SS. There was camo in the wehrmacht too. Not as much as in the SS. But as the stormtroopers are part of the wehrmacht ingame and they are of a small squad. Why not? XD Especially cuz the COH camo is madeupp ;3
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KCH looks like more SS than the StormTroopers with their black jackets :D
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German law... you cannot display symbols of organisations deemed unconstitutional, which includes the NSDAP. There's a lot of German CoH players, I mean I can tell just being on this forum, Relic's just making it easier for themselves, can't blame them really.
Here's the law and the symbols affected... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a)
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You germans and your laws <3 So, basically, the trailer is illegal in germany? XD
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Not sure, I think it's alright in a 'historical' context, they have Tanks and Planes in German museums with Swastika's on them. Since WW2 video games are interactive media and merely imitate history, they aren't exactly historical in context... maybe in intent, but obviously intent isn't enough for German lawmakers :P
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I see. So you guys have never experianced the great series of Wolfenstein? ;<
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No, they do, it's just censored beyond all recognition :P
From some website -
And a friend in Germany tells me that their version of Return to Castle Wolfenstein is hilarious, with all the swastikas removed, and famous Nazis like Hitler and Goering renamed to things like Hatlo and Goran.
Wolfenstien 3D was banned I believe, and still is.
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The forgotten front? Who forgot it exactly? I think only the crappy US education system ignores the EF. The rest of the world learns about it fine AFAIK.
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I didn't learn about it at all in British (well, Scottish) schools either to be honest... I learned about the Blitz and the evacuation of children in Primary school with the Atomic bombing of Japan thrown in for good measure, then in High School I learned about appeasement and the conditions that led up to WW2, mostly focusing on that prat Chamberlain. That's all the WW2 I got over 12 years of schooling, pretty pathetic really, I had to get most of my education from reading encyclopedias in my own time as a child, school was just a formality.
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Seriously, I somehow feel thankful for history being taught fast and briefly. If there are too much details it will be a very scary project with TONS of thing to remember and I think we're not going to graduate highschool anymore :P
The trailer somewhat disappoints me, I hope to see some small skirmishes rather than a short stupid lesson of history (again)
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The forgotten front? Who forgot it exactly? I think only the crappy US education system ignores the EF. The rest of the world learns about it fine AFAIK.
Only too true, here in India we learn not about how Indians fought in the War but how the GLORIOuS RED ARMY DESTROYED THE FASCIST PIGs
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We had it about 1 year at school from reason for WW1 -> Treaty of Versailles -> stab-in-the-back myth -> Nazi regime -> Holocaust -> Downfall. The only thing we barely made was Eastern Front. In my opinion it's great how accurately we learned it at school. I hope they'll continue like this so a new WW can't happen.
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The forgotten front? Who forgot it exactly? I think only the crappy US education system ignores the EF. The rest of the world learns about it fine AFAIK.
As much as I am offended by this remark, I can't help but agree with it :P. We talked about the blitzkrieg into France but not too much about Stalin and his struggle to hold the line. That I had to learn on my own through books.
War in general is never covered in US schools. They will mention what kicked it off (in Europe, it was Hitler invading Poland for Lebanstram IIRC :P) and what happened afterwards (alot of ppl died, Cold War :P) but never what happens in between. US education considers the actual war to be "unimportant" and you should only focus on other events.
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Lebanstram = Lebensraum im Osten -> living space in the east -> ideological Nazi bullshit
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The forgotten front? Who forgot it exactly? I think only the crappy US education system ignores the EF. The rest of the world learns about it fine AFAIK.
As much as I am offended by this remark, I can't help but agree with it :P. We talked about the blitzkrieg into France but not too much about Stalin and his struggle to hold the line. That I had to learn on my own through books.
War in general is never covered in US schools. They will mention what kicked it off (in Europe, it was Hitler invading Poland for Lebanstram IIRC :P) and what happened afterwards (alot of ppl died, Cold War :P) but never what happens in between. US education considers the actual war to be "unimportant" and you should only focus on other events.
This. The US education system gives more importance to westward expansion in the 1860's than a war that killed 70 million people. >:(
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One thing to mention aobut COH2 they better fix the pathfinding..................espcially when retreating
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Some new info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkB4wXZ9YB0&feature=related
EDIT: Something sneaky here at 3:10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppn21bVSm5Y&feature=relmfu
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Ha! Told you all COH is based on 1944 ;)
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Seriously? Ostheer? I mean.. Come on!
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Just like our Ostheer? :P
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Wats a Ostheer?
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I think he meant Obstheer
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs28/f/2008/069/3/6/Fruity_Orange_Faces_by_cheri_lolle.jpg)
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Quite a bit of memory came back with that pic. Hey Seeme remember the bridge and the Kubel?
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Yes.
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I think he meant Obstheer
Hehe, back in the days...
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/55300/
fuck :@
DLCs and other bulshits :-X
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Doesn't surprise many of us I'm quite sure. People want money, that's just the fact and gaming companies are no different
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Yeah but there is a fine line between making a little extra pocket cash and milking your customers. It gets to a point where ppl no longer care about the consumer
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Last one looks like it's for MP. So what, are we seeing aspects of CoHO being shoved into CoH2? Also, I fucking hate the idea of in-game currency, I seriously hope MP isn't going to become some 'Pay to win' cash grab.
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Hopefully, those buyables are only skins or other cosmetic changes so that wallet warriors can look as elite as they want and still get their asses kicked by regulars.
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Don't tell me THQ and Relic are following the big-name groups like EA.
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In a sense they already did this with Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II no?
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So online matches aren't going to be fair because someone spent a little extra money? That's bullshit.
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Whatever gonna happen in CoH 2, I will try it anyway. ( '_' )
But I think, if anyone ever enjoyed EF mod, will have "this CoH 2 is not as good as EF" feeling in the 1st time they play CoH 2 but it will pass eventually (or maybe not :P)
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Oh yeah, I'm still willing fall into the CoH2 honey trap as I'm sure the game itself will be fun. But given how important balance is to Multiplayer, it seems strange to have added in-game currency. Hopefully it's nothing more than something to spend on non-game changing additions that Relic fart out to keep the game somewhat interesting as it gets older, but I wouldn't put it past them to let you buy 'XP boosts' or 'Unit Boosts' with in-game currency like they've added to the preorders just to make a little extra cash on the side from idiots lured by the illusion of More XP = Better Units = Moar Winz!
In a sense they already did this with Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II no?
Did what? Warhammer never appealed to me so I haven't played it. :P
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What coh made so great were the guys that made vcoh. Then the staff got changed and they pooped out OF crap. Since coh2 will be made by the same guys that ruined coh, i have not much faith in it. Maybe coh2 will be good, we will see.
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I hold my faith in the modding community on this one. CoH2 really doesn't look like that much of an improvement over vCoH. A few new additions here and there, but mostly the same, just different armies. If they don't open it up for modding I am going to be seriously pissed.
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In a sense they already did this with Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II no?
Did what? Warhammer never appealed to me so I haven't played it. :P
Added DLC and expansion packs where mods would have done 100X better
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In-Game Currency Gift to be Used Towards Purchasing Future Content
I really don't like this phrase but I hope Relic will not do the same error of CoH Online. We will see ;)
Hopefully, those buyables are only skins or other cosmetic changes so that wallet warriors can look as elite as they want and still get their asses kicked by regulars.
I hope for this.
Maybe we will can buy DLC where we can have Rewards Units, with the same concept of balance of vCoH.
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Оr/and for things that will help us in campain.
Maybe they wont do any mistakes and they are creating this ingame payment method for players that love to play single player and capmains.
And for multiplayer games they will provide only different skins.
It is not clear enought at this point, but I hope soon it will be.
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Maybe we will can buy DLC where we can have Rewards Units, with the same concept of balance of vCoH.
Reward units in Vcoh actually balance breaker, so don't be hopeful about it. Check Roos, M18, Gwagon, T17, Staghound etc.
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Hey, they did fix them in the end... that's always a plus, even when the fixes were long overdue
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Maybe we will can buy DLC where we can have Rewards Units, with the same concept of balance of vCoH.
Reward units in Vcoh actually balance breaker, so don't be hopeful about it. Check Roos, M18, Gwagon, T17, Staghound etc.
I said that because was the first possible idea comes in my mind. :)
Anyway I don't see COH a game maded for DLC like can be a FPS game, where we have DLC with "Weapon Packages" or other stuff.
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Considering what the game is starting to look like, we may be able to customize weaponry for our troops. Thus I imagine that they maybe adding rare and experimental weaponry (maybe like the AVT-40, AVS-36, MkB 42(H), MP43 MP40/II, G-41(W), etc.) Hell maybe we will even see Silenced M1895 Mosin Revolvers with some Soviet NKVD teams XD
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What is this? Red Orchestra 2?
lol...
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Red Orchestra 3: Company of Heroes XD
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Considering what the game is starting to look like, we may be able to customize weaponry for our troops. Thus I imagine that they maybe adding rare and experimental weaponry (maybe like the AVT-40, AVS-36, MkB 42(H), MP43 MP40/II, G-41(W), etc.) Hell maybe we will even see Silenced M1895 Mosin Revolvers with some Soviet NKVD teams XD
I would like that <3
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I heard that the buyable upgrades are only for singleplayer...multiplayer will remain the same of vCoH...let's see ;)
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TBH I wouldn't mind buying skinpacks. Its so hard to find a good one, let alone install it ::)
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yes that's good if its for singleplayer but who wants that anyway?
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WHy cant the skin pack be for bot SP and MP? Its doesn't effect balance.
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WHy cant the skin pack be for bot SP and MP? Its doesn't effect balance.
uhh actually i was going to install th epilepsy skin, which gives out free siezures so you can win ;D
(http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/i/illusion/graphics-illusion-978623.gif)
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yes that's good if its for singleplayer but who wants that anyway?
Depends what they put on sale...of course I'm talking exclusively about Singleplayer.
About Multi, I don't think they will put microtransaction or other s***t like CoH: Online (because it would not make sense to pay 50€ for the game).
I'm quite positive about this.
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Some more info;
- SU has FEMALE snipers. They work as a pair, both shot makes a kill and they don't have camo. Simply both faction has snipers without camo. Imho that's good cause sniper spam currently really annoying in a 1v1 or 2v2. This will lead more micro, less sniper play.
- SU speaks Russian, Ost speaks German.
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Some more info;
- SU has FEMALE snipers. They work as a pair, both shot makes a kill and they don't have camo. Simply both faction has snipers without camo. Imho that's good cause sniper spam currently really annoying in a 1v1 or 2v2. This will lead more micro, less sniper play.
- SU speaks Russian, Ost speaks German.
= EF
except the female sniper thingy, which couldn´t be coded, but i remember the thread very well.
Which account has the relic spy in this forum?
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They dont need a registred account to read ;D
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Some more info;
- SU has FEMALE snipers. They work as a pair, both shot makes a kill and they don't have camo. Simply both faction has snipers without camo. Imho that's good cause sniper spam currently really annoying in a 1v1 or 2v2. This will lead more micro, less sniper play.
- SU speaks Russian, Ost speaks German.
= EF
except the female sniper thingy, which couldn´t be coded, but i remember the thread very well.
Which account has the relic spy in this forum?
I didn't even mention Molotovs, Guards, Brummbar, Stugs, Doctrine-Tier unlocks etc ;)
EF rulezz! :D
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btw in Germany it's going to be from 12 years which means there won't be any bodily parts and blood in it for us... :P
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You gotta love Germany <3
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So basically a watered down ripoff of EF that will likely have imbalanced gameplay mechanics and pay to play. Seems awesome so far. I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised but this game is sounding worse all the time.
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pay to play.
Wait wait wait.... Its pay to play!?!?!
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I guess it will effect only Campaign games, different skins, badge etc not PvP play. I don't think they will make the COHO mistake again.
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Who will pay for a different skin of a unit to be used in campaign games? They have to completly shut down modding support for this game.
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You'll be able to pay for DLC, Skins and Maps using ingame currency according to the Relic forums. DLC... Skins... Maps...
Essentially, it doesn't mess with PvP in any direct way, what you pay for is DLC and presumably any unbalanced units that come with it. Also, Maps... I don't even.. unless they withhold WorldBuilder from us, I can't see them fleecing many people that way. I'd extend this to skins as well... the only way they could possibly make money from skins is if they totally block any modding, which would be fucking absurd.
(edit, hehe, Killar noticed it first)
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I guess it will effect only Campaign games, different skins, badge etc not PvP play. I don't think they will make the COHO mistake again.
You seem to forget how stupid greedy people can be. Obviously this is no longer a labor of love as much as a labor for money. TO blatantly rip-off EF may be the highest form of flattery, but it is also the sign of laziness and lack of interest and brainstorming in what they are doing. This is a money game now.
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Well you can't blame them, they are not doing this just for sports. But I don't give any chance "pay to play" thing- imho all paid rewards will be aesthetic wise. Who will pay? Well atm the game is in pre-order and you can buy the collector edition which gives some skins, badge etc. After watching Hans stream, I am sure they will not be short of nerds to pay for such things.
:D
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Haha the guy in the spiderman costum playing coh2 :D
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Well you can't blame them, they are not doing this just for sports. But I don't give any chance "pay to play" thing- imho all paid rewards will be aesthetic wise. Who will pay? Well atm the game is in pre-order and you can buy the collector edition which gives some skins, badge etc. After watching Hans stream, I am sure they will not be short of nerds to pay for such things.
:D
Agree.
If CoH2 will be a "pay 4 play" game it's senseless pay 50€ now for pre-order if you must pay every month for your subscription.
More sense we have in something like World of Tanks (note: I hate every game where I must pay periodically) where the download it's free but if you want great thing (in this case big tanks) and stuff you must pay, but IMHO it's not a "style" good for a game like CoH!
I'm saying this because I agree with this:
I don't think they will make the COHO mistake again.
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Who will pay?
Lots of ppl will
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Not me definitely, I gonna have a family to feed :P
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Pay 2 win sounds "not modable" to me...
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Maybe it will be - pay to play campain.
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That would make no sense since one would just breeze through the camapaign and jump into multiplayer at the first chance, you might not say that's not bad but:
Money, dear boy. -Executive producer-
They won't be getting much of it that way.
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Quote Steam Store:
Reward 3
Everything Above, Plus:
Company of Heroes 2 Commissar Chest*
In-Game Currency Gift to be Used Towards Purchasing Future Content
XP Boost
Unit Boost
Commander Archetype
*Rewards will be backfilled once we reach the next level.
Fuck that ****!
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Looks like coh2 is made by financial experts not by players for players :(
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THQLynx on the Official CoH forum insists that CoH isn't going to be pay-to-win, XP and Unit boosts won't affect PvP matches (and XP itself is 'purely cosmetic'...). If anything, it seems to me as if they're just fishing for pre-orders from people who think these things give them some advantage.
He also mentioned that they're still 'Looking into' Modding and Worldbuilder.
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He also mentioned that they're still 'Looking into' Modding and Worldbuilder.
Maps and Skins should get bought, so why they should allow modding? ???
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Maybe they don't want to lose the community that generates revenue for them by means of buying the game to mod it?
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Maps and Skins should get bought, so why they should allow modding? ???
Hmm Why not? I'm sure many people will not bother to surf in forums to download skins, soundpacks etc but buy it from the official site if the price doesn't hurt that much. It's like, you can buy a phone case from a local shop or from Applestore for your Iphone. It's customer's choice that all. Nothing seems weird to me.
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Maps and Skins should get bought, so why they should allow modding? ???
Hmm Why not? I'm sure many people will not bother to surf in forums to download skins, soundpacks etc but buy it from the official site if the price doesn't hurt that much. It's like, you can buy a phone case from a local shop or from Applestore for your Iphone. It's customer's choice that all. Nothing seems weird to me.
You can't create a phone case yourself. Well, you could try, but it would be shit, so you're better off buying one. Nor would phone case manufacturers say you couldn't 'modify' your case once you get bored with it just because it's in their interests that you bought a new one.
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Actually I was trying to say that Relic would allow modding but they would have these products for sale as well. At the end, Mods keep the life of the game longer because they re-invent the game every time. That's why I don't think that they will prevent community creativity. I just don't expect them to allow after 1 week of the release- maybe few months maybe a year later I guess.
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Yep, that seems most likely, 6 months to a year seems reasonable if this is the route they're going. I think the aim would be to delay modding enough that they can make money on DLC's or expansions without having to compete with their own community, but not so long that players begin to get bored and leave the game.
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http://blog.fulltimegeek.de/feature/12azors-review-of-company-of-heroes-2-eurogamer/
More Info leaked.
After some reading I think they extremely overpowered Soviets. I wonder how it's gonna be the balance.
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6 man fast deploy MG crew? Good luck flanking that.
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I smell EF 1.0 here... just a bit ofc ;)
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Is that review reliable? It's real right? Or they made it up? ???
Forget what I wrote...
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It seems like they litteraly have copied 80% of your guys work. Is there anything you can do about that? At least they should mention you guys :S
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Write a legal letter? Or file a case?
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In fact, if they were only creating EF without new engines and platforms the gameplay will be sooo crappy , that this good mod will become the best.
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Actually all the new features they included are the biggest critics the playtester have for this game: True sight, campfire, weather effects and tank capture are only a few examples of what is going to make the gameplay problematic. What is left is basically coh1 with a new faction. If we take a look at this new faction you have alot similarities to EF mod. So basically coh2 and EF mod are competitors for players. EFmod has the older engine and less possibilites to improve the gameplay, but tries to keep the original vcoh gameplay, which made this franchise so great and popular.
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I still don't get the game play design; in VCOH the meta game basically based on Mg flanking but here both factions have Mgs and SU has 6 man squad. I don't expect a fluid game honestly. More campy and focused on big explosions, effects- not state of art like COH but like 1980's video clips- a bunch of kitsch things.
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12 razor said also in his write up, that the map layout combined with weather effects, small base sectors and make this game very slow, which is bad for multiplayer. I guess relic just looked at how many people are playing campaign and skirmishes and focused their effort on these people.
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So if you play CoH2, you will have more chance to stomp the noobs. Enjoy hunting! ;D
But seriously, that a waste of money. Like most games nowaday, buy => play campaign, fullfill some achievements => boring multiplayer => delete in few weeks and the cycle begins again.
Since Relic have taken some ideas from EF, should we call Bryan Mills (aka Liam Neeson)?