Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Other discussions (Read-Only) => Eastern Front => Topic started by: aviso on August 17, 2009, 10:21:44 PM
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this topic really goes to the suggestions, but my PC said that there was an error and I can not open it. so I post it here
I've an idea to integrate the Finnish Army in Eastern Front. This army will be allied with the Germans.
I do a list of the units (abilities, upgrades...), buildings and doctrines.
If u like this idea, I will translate the list (because is in Spanish) and post here.
Thanks for ur attention :)
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thats too much
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It's been suggested before and the answer will remain the same - No. We'd rather focus on the main German faction, since Germany was the main force on the Eastern Front, not Finland.
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This was discussed in here: http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=465.0 (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=465.0)
And if you're to make finland, then the italians, romanians, estonians and hungarians would cry for leaving them out. I think it is already enough to get Eastern Front as it is to COH. I dont miss finland, even I am a finn.
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I do a list of units and buildings of the Hungarians and the Romanians. Also , I can do a list of Polish for the allies
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I dont think that is needed. If they are, the devs can handle it themselfs.
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is only to help and facilitate the task
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You'd just be wasting your breath because it won't be done, boyo
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whaat?
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This mainly.. :)
We're adding in the Ostheer, no questions asked. We are not adding in the Japanese, or the Italians, or the Romanians, or the Finns or any Aliens.
Cheers
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The BT-42 was a Finnish assault gun, constructed during the Continuation War
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Bt42_parola_2.jpg)
T-20 armored tractor Komsomolets in Finnish markings
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Komsomolets_armored_tractor_helsinki_2.jpg)
T-26 light tank in Finnish markings
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/T26_parola_4.jpg)
Luftvärnskanonvagn L-62 anti II, also known as Landsverk anti-II or L-62
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Landsverk_anti-II.JPG)
T-50 light tank
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/T50_parola_1.jpg)
So, the Finnish Army had:
БА-10/10М
БА-20/20М
BT-42
ИСУ-152В
КВ-1
КВ-1Е
Landsverk anti-II
Pz IV J
StuG III G
Т-26
Т-26Е Vickers
Т-28Е
Т-34-76
Т-34-85
Т-37/Т-38
Т-50
and etc.
(http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/fin/A20.jpg)
(http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/KV/KV1_15.jpg)
(http://www.sa100.ru/armor/USSR/T28/Greet/pic13.jpg)
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You'd just be wasting your breath because it won't be done
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Eh, A German Army №3 is cool ;) ;D
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The German allies in the east deserves some kind of mention. The best way, in my opinion, would be to represent them through call-in units.
I read suggestion where the Ostheers doctrines could be the three Army Groups (North, South and Centre). Finnish troops (imo they should be similar to Wehr Stormtroopers, with cloaking ability, SMGs and Panzerfausts) could be a call-in unit for the Armygroup North.
South gets the Romanians and Centre... Well, I don't know about Centre. Maybe some anti-communist Cossack volunteers?
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You'd just be wasting your breath because it won't be done
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You'd just be wasting your breath because it won't be done
guys there making Russia and a new Germany!!! I mean throw them a freakin bone here!!!!!!!!!
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I always thought it would be nice to have the Ostheer as the main german army for EF, but then have the satalite axis countries be represented though doctrines, with doctrine specific infantry and tanks, and abilities that characterize the nations that fought with Germany. (Romania, Finland, Austria, all would be represented through doctrines)
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I always thought it would be nice to have the Ostheer as the main german army for EF, but then have the satalite axis countries be represented though doctrines, with doctrine specific infantry and tanks, and abilities that characterize the nations that fought with Germany. (Romania, Finland, Austria, all would be represented through doctrines)
I could see that in a future update maybe ;D but just a little bit. Like have Romanian infantry as a little add on to a tech tree
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Problem is that only finnish Tank brigade students and finnish Waffen SS troops would have been with the germans in eastern front in places such as Stalingrad, Kursk and so on.
Students were only there to observe the tanks in battle and then return back home to finland and start their own training with vehicles of all kinds. Waffen SS' finnish members only operated until 1943.
Finns never reached Leningrad because they didnt want to participate in the siege as much as the germans, they only wanted to reach the old border before Winter War and only crossed it from few places. Same in Olonets Karelia in where they crossed river Svir only in few places. Finns fought on their own front. So it would be highly unrealistic to have finnish soldiers fight in "deep" russia. While romanian, hungarian and italian troops wouldnt be so.
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Problem is that only finnish Tank brigade students and finnish Waffen SS troops would have been with the germans in eastern front in places such as Stalingrad, Kursk and so on.
Students were only there to observe the tanks in battle and then return back home to finland and start their own training with vehicles of all kinds. Waffen SS' finnish members only operated until 1943.
Finns never reached Leningrad because they didnt want to participate in the siege as much as the germans, they only wanted to reach the old border before Winter War and only crossed it from few places. Same in Olonets Karelia in where they crossed river Svir only in few places. Finns fought on their own front. So it would be highly unrealistic to have finnish soldiers fight in "deep" russia. While romanian, hungarian and italian troops wouldnt be so.
I know for a fact that Romania had several thousand men in Stalingrad
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Like a very wise man said long time ago "No shit Sherlock, so what?"
Yes, indeed. There were loads of romanian troops who collapsed when Red Army started their attack to encircle the remaining german troops in Stalingrad. What is your point?
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Thousands of Polish, French and Colonial troops fought in Normandy with the British, yet the Brits side is only made up of Brits (and Canadian artillerymen strangely).
There is no need to represent these Axis countries through Ostheer doctrines.
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Like a very wise man said long time ago "No shit Sherlock, so what?"
Yes, indeed. There were loads of romanian troops who collapsed when Red Army started their attack to encircle the remaining german troops in Stalingrad. What is your point?
"no shit sherlock so what" Im gonna use that this weak :D
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(and Canadian artillerymen strangely)
Relic is Canadian. :P
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Thousands of Polish, French and Colonial troops fought in Normandy with the British, yet the Brits side is only made up of Brits (and Canadian artillerymen strangely).
There is no need to represent these Axis countries through Ostheer doctrines.
That's true. I just want to have Russia im not a real fan of even adding a new German army
Post Merge: October 04, 2009, 11:37:13 PM
(and Canadian artillerymen strangely)
Relic is Canadian. :P
They may have a sector in Canada but probably not HQ in Canada
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The Relic are Canadians.
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They're from Vancouver...
"Relic Entertainment is a Canadian game development company that specializes in 3D real-time strategy games and has released a number of innovative PC games." -Wikipedia
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They're form Vancouver...
"Relic Entertainment is a Canadian game development company that specializes in 3D real-time strategy games and has released a number of innovative PC games." -Wikipedia
interesting..........................................
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God, save the Kingdom of Canada :)
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God, save the Kingdom of Canada :)
lol
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There are other ways for countries to be represented ingame, without the need to create whole new races, or edit doctrines.....
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There are other ways for countries to be represented ingame, without the need to create whole new races, or edit doctrines.....
True, just look at the different accents of the British Army, kind hinted at Canadians being part of it...
Also, the idea that just posting a list will get you some sort of recognition or praise for helping the effort is kind, but not needed. In reality, for ever unit on the list you post, there would be dozens of hours of blood sweat and tears poured into it, in the modeling, texturing, bug fixing, and balancing stages of putting it in the game.
This is why I am baffled at the people who post about a certain esoteric vehicle or weapon or something they have some historical fetish about and then whine why it isn't in the game, and how historically relevant it is.
The objective is to capture the feel of the Russians, not be a page for page copy from a history book.
Also, fun & balance trumps realism 9 times out of 10.
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There are other ways for countries to be represented ingame, without the need to create whole new races, or edit doctrines.....
True, just look at the different accents of the British Army, kind hinted at Canadians being part of it...
Also, the idea that just posting a list will get you some sort of recognition or praise for helping the effort is kind, but not needed. In reality, for ever unit on the list you post, there would be dozens of hours of blood sweat and tears poured into it, in the modeling, texturing, bug fixing, and balancing stages of putting it in the game.
This is why I am baffled at the people who post about a certain esoteric vehicle or weapon or something they have some historical fetish about and then whine why it isn't in the game, and how historically relevant it is.
The objective is to capture the feel of the Russians, not be a page for page copy from a history book.
Also, fun & balance trumps realism 9 times out of 10.
even if Finland was made as a whole new country.............. wait a tic................. what happens when the Rusikes send over 4 isu's what do you have? Some small tanks made in Finland and some tanks you borrowed from your ally Germany? I mean face it. Its called balancing. That is your main enemy here. Russia would just kill them in several minutes in a 1v1
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Harmless correction: Finns never manufactured their own tanks, only bought them or captured them from elsewhere.
What would finns have and what DID the finns have in such situations? Well, thank god they received handheld anti-tank guns such as fausts and shrecks in order to tackle with the soviet heavy-weights. :)
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BT-42 was their own assault gun.
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Not really... Finns just merged a British howitzer onto the chassis of a BT-7. Sure, they made the turret, but anybody with enough metal, a welder and a rivet gun could have done that.
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I think its safe to say that this case has been solved! It wont happen because it can't physically happen! To much unfairness in it
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Assault gun / self-propelled artillery since it was quite like a mix of both. Indeed, it was just a mix of different parts, not meaning it was purely their own. Besides, we spoke about tanks. Assault gun isnt a tank. ;)
Cant talk about mass production either since there were under 20 of them made.
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Assault gun / self-propelled artillery since it was quite like a mix of both. Indeed, it was just a mix of different parts, not meaning it was purely their own. Besides, we spoke about tanks. Assault gun isnt a tank. ;)
Cant talk about mass production either since there were under 20 of them made.
20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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18 to be precise...
"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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18 to be precise...
"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
let me say this......................................fail
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Troll too much?
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Just had to log in to correct some stuff.
Why all this talk about Finnish tanks? We had
around 50 tanks in the whole winterwar, while the Russians came with thousands.
And the most used AT-weapon wasn't panzerfausts & shrecks,
actually it was molotov cocktails that were thrown into the engine room or right into the cockpit on most of the Russian tanks, wheeled AT-cannons were also used more then shrecks and fausts. After all trenchshoveling it was no big deal to use the shovel to break up a hatch. :D
Sub-machineguns, were seldom used,
this was one weakness when the Finnish flanks were stormed
by Russians, but those times we had the Russian artillery
bombing our flanks(mostly trenches) non-stop which lead to a total massacre of their own troops.
And also, to move fast through the snowy terrain skies were
used very often.
And btw, I'm looking very much forward for this mod! And I don't
want it ruined by some Finnish forces ;D
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But that's winter war for you. Continuation War different deal on later on. Since the battles ceased in early 1942 and didnt resume properly until summer 1944.
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But that's winter war for you. Continuation War different deal on later on. Since the battles ceased in early 1942 and didnt resume properly until summer 1944.
ok well how many tanks did they have then?????? 40 ;D
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What is your problem?
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In WWII wasn't a lot of Flakpanzers too. ;)
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What is your problem?
I's sorry that I seem to be bugging you for no real reason. I mean if there are 40 tanks in the Finish army then there is no real reason to add them as an army
If you're from Finland and want to see your nation in these mod well I am sorry because it isn't going to happen. I mean they might add Finish troops into the ostheer (very VERY unlikely)
And it is a fact that if you try to play as Finland you would get destroyed.
Sorry that you think I am making fun of you or something because I am not.
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Yes, Im from finland but I have never said I want to see the finns ingame. I've made a lot of arguments against having them instead!
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Yes, Im from finland but I have never said I want to see the finns ingame. I've made a lot of arguments against having them instead!
There is no knead to shout. I do not know what your argument was (or is) but you sounded to me like you said I was trolling. Well I am not and if I was I would be very very bad at it (as seeing the people who do troll mostly have a very good score) So I cant troll. It seamed as if you were defending Finland in this topic so you have made a confusing front to fight against.
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Not really going anywhere this is it.
Finland has been discussed, so lets all be friends yeah? :)
Cheers
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Not really going anywhere this is it.
Finland has been discussed, so lets all be friends yeah? :)
Cheers
I absolutely agree luz777
Post Merge: October 20, 2009, 02:27:31 PM
Not really going anywhere this is it.
Finland has been discussed, so lets all be friends yeah? :)
Cheers
I absolutely agree luz777
well then I think it is agreed that any Finish nation or troops will not be in the mod.
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Yes, Im from finland but I have never said I want to see the finns ingame. I've made a lot of arguments against having them instead!
Same here, perkele! ;D
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For people interested in Finnish continuation war
I recommend Tali-Ihantala 1944, watched that movie
yesterday. And it's the best Finnish war-movie, or even Finnish movie, I have ever watched ;)
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Yes, Im from finland but I have never said I want to see the finns ingame. I've made a lot of arguments against having them instead!
Same here, perkele! ;D
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For people interested in Finnish continuation war
I recommend Tali-Ihantala 1944, watched that movie
yesterday. And it's the best Finnish war-movie, or even Finnish movie, I have ever watched ;)
ok but could you add that to the off topic section?
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ok but could you add that to the off topic section?
Thread moved to other discussion,
so I think I'm actually pretty much on-topic.
Besides other people who only spend their time to complain
on every single post, good job!
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ok but could you add that to the off topic section?
Thread moved to other discussion,
so I think I'm actually pretty much on-topic.
Besides other people who only spend their time to complain
on every single post, good job!
Ok you don't need to make fun of me ok? That is just being an ass
Post Merge: October 22, 2009, 11:39:25 PM
ok but could you add that to the off topic section?
Thread moved to other discussion,
so I think I'm actually pretty much on-topic.
Besides other people who only spend their time to complain
on every single post, good job!
And obviously you don't care much about facts. If you did then you would have looked at my posts thought this discussion and have realized that I'm not complaining at all about adding the Finish Army. I'm just saying that it would be the most unbalanced thing in the world for them to do!
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Hey, why don't they make some kind of foreign unit like a "hungarian squad" or anything to the ostheer, and then later on they will make some reward units to change them, and then both finns, hungarians and all the other nations will be represented after wish? ;)
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Hey, why don't they make some kind of foreign unit like a "hungarian squad" or anything to the ostheer, and then later on they will make some reward units to change them, and then both finns, hungarians and all the other nations will be represented after wish? ;)
That was the idea that a couple of people have said
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They have said, and continue to say that all current and
future axis factions will continue to be pure ethnic germans.
Let it be known that WW2 was the entire world against
Germany. No other country mattered. We will continue to
make anti axis countries. New Zealand, Australia, Fiji Islands,
Scotland, assorted England counties will be represented,
having their assorted factions, included Ethiopia, even.
For each a new allied faction thus created, shall be
created a pure german corresponding faction. A lot of
exciting historical units, like the MAUS, the Komet,
even a land-roving Bismark Battleship, remain to brought
to COH, crushing all opposition. Our hopes is that soon
there shall be more pure german factions than there are
allied factions :)
Nazi Germany factions SHALL be ethnically pure!!!! :D
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Does it smell sarcasm in here?
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No sarcasm. It's the avowed purpose of the design team to
eventually make a german version of each allied factions.
Shermans, Cromwells, Firefly, and T34 with swastikas and
so on. Every last blade of grass, bush, tree, leaf, and pebble
will have tiny swastikas all over it. Down to every last bullet,
whichever side it might be fired from, artillery round, or flying
debris will be pure german.
Horizon to Horizon germans marching choreographically
singing of victory as soon as the game is launched, because
both sides are german, ending in automatic victory for the
Reich?
Can't get any sweeter ;)
And, yes, I haven't taken my medication yet... ;)
*Looking right and left shiftily*
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Finland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGWqtwhS2KY#normal) every thing you need to know about Finland "from England's eyes"
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That was... interesting ;) *Shudders* Grin.
Why 'Damn we forgot Finland' though? Although, from the map..
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That was... interesting ;) *Shudders* Grin.
Why 'Damn we forgot Finland' though? Although, from the map..
yeah it was a joke they didn't put Sweden in ;D
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Crazy brits! :D