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Other discussions (Read-Only) => Off Topic => Topic started by: Tehcumseh on September 28, 2012, 02:51:34 AM
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Hello, I'm currently working on making a "War" class in my high school(I'm a student[junior year]) and i have to work with the History teachers to write a curriculum for the class and i was wondering what do you guys think are some good wars to study? and it can be any wars featuring any country's so just let me know
Thanks ;D ;D ;D
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Well if you want detail and depth talk about those obscure ones but if u want interest and ppl not falling asleep talk about the regular well known ones. Which country? Which era? Be specific.
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This class is still in the works so it has lots of room for being specific and This is an elective so people will only take it if they want to learn about war so it shouldn't bore them
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Which country ???
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Any country, Any Era, ANYTHING!!!! It's a class of war and yes i know there has been too much war to fit into one class but i am looking for ones that you people think is cool, interesting and people will be intrigued to learn more
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I prefer WW2 but again, that's just me. You could literally spend years learning about all the aspects of WW2
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I specialize in WWII myself, and if you would like my good sir I can send over my Powerpoints of the Weaponry of WWI and WWII (in which case it is my due hope that you aren't French).
As for good wars to teach may I suggest the following:
1) The Three Kingdoms of China (Late Han Era)
2) The Gallic Wars
3) The Merovingian Campaigns of the Early Middle Ages
4) The Polish-Ukrainian War of 1918 and 1919 (quite important despite the obscurity)
5) Obviously WWI, WWII, the French Revolution
6) The Russian Civil War
7) Greco-Turkish War of 1919-21
8) The Hundred Years War
9) Franco-Prussian War
10) War of the League of Cambrai
Should I keep going?
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The Persian wars
Peloponnesian war
Pyrrhic war
Punic wars
Warring states period (China)
Muslim conquests
Mongolian conquests
Sengoku Jidai (Japan)
English civil war
Great Northern War
American civil war
Spanish civil war
Winter war
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Warring states period and One hundres years are nightmares, don't fall for GLD and Neo's traps
Some of those wars covering a lot of campaigns which is a bad choice, just aware that :P
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We're thinking of doing a WW2 only class so if you could send me the powerpoint of the WW2 Weapons that would be Great and o im not french im English
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We're thinking of doing a WW2 only class so if you could send me the powerpoint of the WW2 Weapons that would be Great and o im not french im English
Wonderful, please be so kind as to PM me your email then and I would be quite happy to send you my Powerpoint. Keep in mind that it is in many ways a work in progress and as I add more and more to it becomes more and more complex. I would gladly send them over with each new version, if you so like.
P.S. I include a lot of experimental weaponry because I believe it is important to see what was going on and what was being created.
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Why not take a visit to the WW2 discussion thread? Plenty of material there
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A list for overviews of different kinds of conflicts
2nd Punic War - imperialism
Korean Conflict - war of exhaustion
7 days War, 1967 - Blitkrieg
War of the Roses - Civil War
2nd Persian Gulf War - Urban Warfare
War of Jenkins Ear - Sheer Stupidity
A global War would be a good addition as well. Your choice.
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War of Jenkins Ear - Sheer Stupidity
Even if you don't pick this war you must admire it's description :P
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Grachasaurus here is the WWII Powerpoint in a zip file with the WWI one thrown in for good measure. Any of you gents are welcome to use it, almost all the files are from the interwebs with special thanks to Robotnik and Sommar for some of the more interesting photos in them.
EDIT: Also any opinions on the Powerpoints are welcome
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Thanks for the Powerpoint it will help out alot because tanks as well. It's a really good powerpoint but i think the WW1 powerpoint was put together much better
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That's because as I've said they are still in development. I'm still updating, still adding, still modifying. The WWI one I worked on much more than the WWII one
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Well regardless it is still really good and it will help a lot!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I've actually started adding more things to the WWII one already, since it is lacking in Italian and Japanese weapons.
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Well just keep me updated because i have until February to finish the class. And all the weapons research is needed for the class
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Goody, we have plenty of time then. I may make another Powerpoint for Vietnam and I may also make one for aircraft (for WWII), which ever you would prefer. Be sure to show those to your teachers so I can get an opinion out of them as well. Opinion drives everything in this kind of thing. Also, I hope none of them are French XD.
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I will show them to the teachers. And i speak french :o but i dont get offended by frances lack for military in WW2 also most likely the Planes of WW2
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IDK what your powerpoint looks like neosdark but IMO a good thing to add to your WW2 component of the class in general is an analysis of the generals. BBC (I think) had a TV series called Generals At War where they analyzed each generals tactics and their decisions and what was behind those very decisions and the consequences.
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I know. in my brainstorming of components for the class i have generals and leaders written down
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Well the problem with generals is that they are people and people have opinions on other people, some of which aren't very nice. I hate most American generals of the war (except Ike and Bradley), think all Soviet generals were butchers (which they were), and my opinions can go on....
And I also speak French, I just jab at the French lack of military prowess A LOT.
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You might consider asking the school library to get some of these books for a reading list:
- Strategy, Liddle-Hart
- On War, Clauswitz
- The Prince, Machievelli
- Annabasis of Alexander, Arrian*
- The Gallic Wars, Caesar*
- The Art of War, Sun Tzu
About.com has good newsletters on Military history and ancient history that may be useful as well. the asterisked books are available on line here as well. Google it.
Modern military thought is something Tigerclawstyle is good at. You might PM him.
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I hate most American generals of the war (except Ike and Bradley
Why? Im just curious
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I hate most American generals of the war (except Ike and Bradley
Why? Im just curious
Im quite curious too. Would you please expand on that?
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They were stuck in many ways in the past. The top brass did not approve of the .276 Pederson for the M1 Garand (which I believe was their worst mistake ever), Patton was a reckless nut who got lucky time and time again (as well as had good, smart, resourceful soldiers), Leslie Mcnair was fool who believed that upgunning Shermans was a bad idea and that was why we didn't have 76mm gun Shermans on Normandy (also why the M26 Pershing appeared so late in the war, they were ready before D-Day)...
I don't have much time atm, but I'll go on later.
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If you don't like MacArthur then i will be really sad.
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Although I disagree with neo's basis for argument there were many poor generals in Amis history. Political generals generally being the worst. IMO MacArthur was one of these. My position is supported by the testimony of many of the troops who served under him; some of which I've interviewed personally.
On that subject, the role of general staff should play into your class. Franco-Prussian War is a good study, here.
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But once MacArthur was put into command we pushed the Koreans all the way to the Chinese border :o
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That was because he was willing to do the Soviet thing, throw hordes of troops against his foes ignoring most other factors. Of course American troops were more tactical and smarter than average Soviet conscripts and weren't being shot in their backs by political officers, thus had higher survival rates. That, coupled with a broken N.Korean supply line is a good recipe for victory.
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Otto's Brief discussion of the Korean Conflict
The North Koreans overran South Korea down to the Pusan perimeter in 40 days, where they were stopped, cold by American and South Korean forces. A feat comparable to the Polish campaign in WWII. What was the name of the NKPA commander who accomplished this feat?
MacArthur's Inchon amphibious assault; outflanked the NKVA at the 38th parallel. He obtained air and naval superiority.Coupled with a tenacious defense around Pusan the NKVA was exhausted, demoralized and virttually cut-off from North Korea. It collapsed quickly. Subsidiary amphibious assaults and para drops allowed UN forces to overrun North Korea in a similar time frame to the NKVA June offensive. In both cases the "victors" had about a 2-1 manpower ratio over their adversaries and Armor superiority. In both cases crossing the WWII partion line, (38th parallel), caused foreign intervention on ideological grounds. The PVA intervention caught the UN forces off quard both in terms of initial onslaught, size and ferocity. After considerable initial success the PVA were stopped and see-saw operations ended in Static warfare or stalemate at approximately the 38th Parallel.
What started as a civil war utilizing Blitzkrieg tactics changed to a proxy war utilizing Combined Arms tactics then ideological war using Infantry Shock and Infiltration tactics; resulting in general exhaustion and static warfare. This ended in a negotiated settlement some two years later. Had MacArthur invaded Manchuria, as I believe was his intention prior to the PVA intervention the conflict would have triggered Soviet intervention and World war. Truman sent four Type4 nuclear weapons to Japan under SAC command. MacArthur was not considered knowledgable enough re nuclear weapons nor trusted enough to be given control of these armaments, or Nuclear war may have ensued.
Another Author to add to reading list is Barbara Tuchman: The First Salute, A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century, The Guns of August, Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911-45 etc.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars
1st and 2nd Balkan wars