Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => General Discussion => Topic started by: Andreas on March 16, 2013, 03:36:40 PM
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Hi
So it seems like you wan't to include the Sturmtiger anyway :)
Do you think it will be the new "most powerfull" tank on the battlfield?
Currently we have these "super tanks":
IS-3
ISU-152
Jagdpanther
Jagdtiger
King tiger
Then there is some "better than normal tanks":
Tiger I
Pershing
PE panther (it is a BEAST at vet 3 defensive, and only at 500 MP!)
IS-2
But.. I think that the new sturmtiger will be the one to shine above the rest! Nearly as much armor as the King Tiger and 380MM rocket firing gun. I don't know how this will be represented in game.. But it sounds like a real thread to the Allied warmachine :-)
I think it will be the one to rule the battlefield!
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The tanks you listed are tanks, and all heavy tanks to be precise. The strumtiger is an artillery piece, they both have diffrent roles and thus you cannot compare the two.
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In real life the Sturmtiger would have destroyed every tank because of his HE power. In the game it will do in my opinion only partly damage to tanks.
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Maybe it's like Churchill AVER tank，can only fire by ability。。。。I brought 150mm stumpanzer4 Brummbar from another mod into EF,its 150mm howitzer is already very powerful,and the 380mm sturmtiger.......Oh,God..............
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The tanks you listed are tanks, and all heavy tanks to be precise. The strumtiger is an artillery piece, they both have diffrent roles and thus you cannot compare the two.
The sturmtiger is not exactly an artillery piece. It is a heavy assualt howitzer/infantry support tank, just like the StuH. But will it be added as a "tank" or as a "artillery piece"?
If it end up as a assualt vechile, it will end up with all the heavytanks. Just like the StuH is a tank in CoH.
For more, read here; http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sturmtiger-sturmpanzer-vi.htm
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At the moment the Sturmtiger is an assault gun. But u need munition to fire a single rocket grenade.
Effective against infantry and light vehicles.
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At the moment the Sturmtiger is an assault gun. But u need munition to fire a single rocket grenade.
Effective against infantry and light vehicles.
Does that mean that it doesnt penetrate easily?
Or little damage done when hitting?
Or that it is easy to kite? (like if the AVRE was for killing tanks.. it wouldn't be too effective b/c singleshot)
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1) given both the historical nature of the sturmtiger and its designation as an assault gun in game and history i would assume that the penetration rates against medium and heavy armor would be minimal so it would be useless to send as the lone tank killer like the jagd's, IS3 or king tiger.
2)like the stuH the damage done will (again assumtions) be based on the explosive force of the weapon itself. Much like the AVRE it will decimate infantry and do a fair bit of damage to light vehicles. see above regarding penetration
3)Finally it has no turret, just forward facing gun that can be angledwithin a few degrees much like any non turreted vehicle in the game and given its a tiger chassis I imagine it will not be a fast on the spot turning vehicle. So you wouldnt even need to kite it just swarm it from the back or sides.
all that said should be fun nonetheless
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It will probably be quite comparable to the KV-2, except with no turret but (maybe) better armor and health.
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It will probably be quite comparable to the KV-2, except with no turret but (maybe) better armor and health.
Well.. i hope not.
If it www tuner down that much, they could've just kravet it out and include the Brummbär. It would've be like giving the Tiger the stats of a T34.
The Sturmtigers rocker had an explosive payload 14 times buffer than the largest round of the KV2. And the 88mm is NOT 14 times nettere than the T34s 76mm.
So if there is any reason to include the sturmtiger, instead of the brummbär, it will have to be more than the KV2 - not to be a joke.
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Please keep in mind that CoH is a computer game and we have to balance it. So historical data of the weapon are fine and interesting but not important for CoH.
And keep also in mind that the Sturmtiger is a reward unit. When it is too strong we can delete it.
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When all else fails, there's always another Ukrainian Bandaid. :)
In my opinion...the Sturmtiger sounds balanced as of now, slow speed/turn rate, munitions to fire, etc. Other than that, I've nothing to say. Only time will tell.
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Please keep in mind that CoH is a computer game and we have to balance it. So historical data of the weapon are fine and interesting but not important for CoH.
And keep also in mind that the Sturmtiger is a reward unit. When it is too strong we can delete it.
I know. But if it is going to be tuned Down that much, then just keep it to the reward unit - the "Brummbär".
If they were going to add something similar to a sherman, they wouldn't include a tiger that is tuned Down to a PIV. Then it would be better just to include a PIV from the start (as an example)
Best regards
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I think i can see what andreas is trying to say (i may be wrong) but this is a reward unit for an assault gun/self propelled artillery unit its not meant to be a tank killer and im not sure why you would want yet another dedicated heavy tank killer when you have the elephant and others to fill that role.
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Why not just make the ST into an AVRE with a shorter cooldown/lower cost per shot. Then it could be justified to leave the weapon fairly powerful.
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Although...what? A shorter reload and lower cost per shot? Are you kidding? o.0
Paying more per shot from the Sturmtiger will obviously be more expensive than the AVRE, it's a 380mm rocket. How does one may more for a 290mm artillery round than a 380mm rocket?
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I think i can see what andreas is trying to say (i may be wrong) but this is a reward unit for an assault gun/self propelled artillery unit its not meant to be a tank killer and im not sure why you would want yet another dedicated heavy tank killer when you have the elephant and others to fill that role.
I am just saying that it doesn't make sense to include it, if it is going to be tuned Down to the level of the KV-2 or AVRE. Then it would make much more sense to include just the Brummbär.
It would be like including a Railway gun,l and tune it down to a hummel. I know it's not entirely realistic, but it just doesn't make sense..
It would be like including a Tiger/King tiger and tune it down to a Panzer IV...
If they included the IS-2 with the stats of a T34 - that would just be silly.
You get the point. Either it will be very expensive, and be a monster. Or else it will just be a joke.
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Well. We have to balance this weapon and that is the reason why realism is on "secondary priority".
We wanted to add a strong mobile weapon and not a "all killing super tank".