Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Ostheer Suggestions => Topic started by: Paciat on February 04, 2010, 02:49:54 PM
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Ill start by saing please CRITISIZE. Ill be happy to answer all posts.
...so here is my Ostheer concept. Ill underline things that are most interesting or add a picture if you dont want to read the whole thing.
VETERANCY
Every level of vet is an ability or an upgrade.
There are little offensive or defensive upgrades (vet). This helpes Ostheer be unique.
Becouse allmost all vet adds an ability or something that changes how the unit looks (camo, turret MGs, tank commander, armored shirts, increased sight range) players will quickly know what they gained.
BUILDINGS
Build order will look like this.
[Tier 1] [Tier 2] [Tier 3] [Heavy guns upgrade]
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[Tier 4]
Tier 1 is very usefull in early game but theres a posibility to spam Ost pionees and go to tier 2 and have tanks 15 fuel quicker. Tier 3 is to expensive to build it in early game but some fuel can be saved by not building tier 2. (like russian tank hull)
Tiers are not mobile becouse its hard to balance a fraction like commonwealth. Some more units can be added to the list:
I didnt name them, becouse I dont know german. Still I think that unit speech and tier names shouldnt be in english.
Allmost all units are new. I tried hard not to use the same models as the Wehrmacht/PE. A Tiger I is on the list becouse 65% of the forum wants it (Me too).
HQ
1. Ost pionees - inf target:
3xpioMP40
70HP
200MP
Wehrmacht pionees abilities.
Can place mines.
Eintossflammenwerfer 46 disposable flamethrower ability.
25ammo
Works like a panzerfaust or granade but its a flamethrower!
Vet1: Changes PioMP40 to Volks MP40 (better range and better acc at close ranges)
Vet2: Can place demo charges.
Vet3: Inf. elite target and Battlefield repair (takes less damage when reparing just like vet 3 pios)
Can build bunkers with upgrades:
MG bunker - Same MG as Wehrmacht.
Radio bunker:
Sight bonus +30.
Spots snipers.
25ammo.
2. Heavy guns upgrade:
150MP/50fuel
StugIIIe to StugIIIg - gun upgrade.
Unlocks TierIV (if you have a TierIII)
Ost pionees can build Pantherturm building.
200MP/30Fuel
Pantherturm is a building not an emplacement (like a trench) so recrewing it will be possible (unlike heavy weapons and emplacements).
3. Securing points is now possible.
100MP/30fuel.
Securing points can be done by infantry. Its a UNR3AL concept. Its like a second capping or booby trapping but it costs 200MP (all securing buildings/vechicles/upgrades cost at least 200MP). The enemy destroyes it when he starts uncapping.
4. First aid kid upgrade - all infantry (not weapon crews) can use a first aid kid for 20 ammo if their lost at least 1 man. It works the same as in Causeway and Tiger Ace campains but the healer will help the closest man that is still alive but on the ground (not neseserly from the same squad) and then the wounded man joines the squad.
Also all infantry and weapon crews slowly heal themselves 10MP/min. (As fast as vet 1 wehrmacht and def. vet 3 PE)
200MP/40fuel
5. Pioneers and Gebirgsjägers can prepare a camo net. This ability allows to camo every unit untill it moves or shoots. Every camo net should be cheap (10 ammo). It takes 10 secs to create a camo net. (Its a vietlord idea.)
100MP/20fuel
Tier 1 200/10fuel
A whole Tier can be non-german. I would advise Italians becouse it will be easy to use Italian COH voices. (Just like Soviets use Russian version of US voices)
1. Italian/Hungarian/Romanian soldiers - inf target:
4xrifles 1xPistol
60HP
270MP
Vet 1: Gains LMG upgrade.
50ammo (only 1 re-skinned BREN).
Vet 2: Can throw AT granades (same as PE).
Vet 3: Commander (one with a pistol) spots snipers like a german oficer.
2. Cavalry scout - heroic (like KCH infantry and British officers 1 sniper shot dosnt kill him) target:
1xk98 rifle
80HP
150MP
Quickly caps points.
Spoting unit like a motorbike.
Cant use cover.
Vet 1: Marksman ability.
Vet 2: Binoculars.
Vet 3: Camo when in cover and not moving.
3. Pak 3,7cm 36/47mm AT gun - Can fight light armor (up to Stuart):
220MP
50 range
1xrifle
Camo
Vet 1: Focused Fire ability - just like PE AT halftrack.
Vet 2: Treadbreaker - just like PE AT halftrack.
Vet 3: Longer spotting radius.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/37-mm/guns/3.7-cm-pak-35-36-01.jpg)
4. More men upgrade:
200MP/50fuel
Ita/Hun/Rom soldiers have 6 men now.
Ost pionees Pak 3,7cm/47mm, MG-34 and 7.5 cm howitzer have 4 men now. (so they wont get decrewed so easielly)
Tier 2 200/40fuel
1. Gebirgsjäger - inf. soldier/elite target:
4xgren K98 rifles.
90 HP
360 MP
PzB 35(p) AT rifle upgrade with treadbreaker ability. This rifle is not as powerfull as a Soviet PTRD-41 but is more accurate vs infantry.
(http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_articles/AT_Rifle_wz_35.jpg)
50ammo
0,25 recived accuracy while in retreat modifier (like Tommies).
Vet 1: Marksman ability. Works with and without AT rifle upgrade. Doctrinal MP44 upgrade disables it.
Vet 2: Can throw AT granades.
Vet 3: Fallschirmjäger camo.
2. Light MG-34 squad - inf target:
1xlight MG-34
2xvolks k98
70HP
320MP
Upgrade to Heavy MG-34 - 25ammo.
MG-34 would have a lower rate of fire than MG-42 but k98 would make it better at long range. No recrew dosnt afect LMGs, thats why I added this unit.
Vet 1: Tracer ammo ability - more accurate but guners are easier to hit.
25ammo
Vet 2: Inf. elite target.
Vet 3: AP rounds.
(http://www.352inf.com/field_gear/wep_images/mg-34.jpg)
3. 7.5 cm le.IG 18 howitzer (3 men):
1xluger
300MP
Same range as the nebelwerfer.
Very accurate so it can counter-battery Soviet heavy mortars.
Fires 5 shells.
Vet 1: Longer spotting radius for the oficer (the one with a luger).
Vet 2: Overwatch.
Vet 3: Fires 6 shells.
(http://www.1939.pl/uzbrojenie/niemieckie/artyleria/a_75mm_leIG18/a_75mm_03.jpg)
Tier 3 200MP/100fuel (Balance - it has to be so much fuel)
1. Sdkfz 251:
Can tow 3,7cm/47mm and 7.5 cm le.IG guns.
Can reinforce troops.
Vet 1: MGs have gunners even if theres no squad inside the halftrack.
Vet 2: 0,9 recived accuracy when moving. (Didnt know what the third ability could be)
Vet 3: Can drop mines like an US AC or PE munitions halftrack.
2. Sdkfz 7/1 20mm quad halftrack (wirblewind) - sdkfz 251 target and HP.
360MP/40fuel
Can tow 3,7cm/47mm and 7.5 cm le.IG guns.
Vet 1: Lock down - more accurate at long distances and vs planes.
Vet 2: 0,9 recived accuracy when moving. (Didnt know what the third ability could be)
Vet 3: AP rounds.
(http://www.panzer-reich.co.uk/images/haftracks/SdKfz/2cm-flakvierling-38-auf-selbstfahrlafette-sdkfz.7-1/SdKfz-1.jpeg)
3. PzIIIL - PzIV target:
360MP/50fuel
500HP
5cm gun - Pumas gun. High accuracy. (Snipes infantry)
Vet 1: AP shells ability.
Vet 2: Armored skirts.
Vet 3: Commander. (+10 spotting range)
(http://www.military.cz/panzer/tanks/germany/panzer_3/image/panzer_3_l.jpg)
4. StugIIIe/f (stubby) - stugIV target:
PE PzIV gun (no lockdown)
StugIV gun (after glonal upgrade)
400HP
320MP/50fuel
Vet 1: MG-gunner.
Vet 2: Armored skirts.
Vet 3: Ambush.
(http://www.afrikakorps.org/_photos/288/StugIII288Color.jpg)
Tier 4 200MP/50fuel
1. JagdpanzerIV - Jagdpanther target
600HP
500MP/90fuel
SutgIV gun
Vet 1: Panthers gun.
Vet 2: Armored skirts.
Vet 3: Ambush.
(http://valkiria.net/uploads/pic/historia/wwii/uzb/gtanks/jagdpanzer4/jagdpanzer4_4.jpg)
2. Tiger I:
800MP/180fuel.
One on the field limit.
No vet or the same vet as Wehrmacht. No abilities. It cant be better than the wehrmacht Tiger.
3. Zimmerit anti-magnetic coating upgrade:
All German tanks and SP guns take 75% less damage from sticky bombs and AT granades
100MP/30fuel.
4. Upgraded tank optics:
All German tanks and SP guns recive +2,5 to main gun max range and +5 to spotting radius and +10% to accuracy.
200MP/60fuel.
DOCTRINES:
Didnt care much to name them. Its not the name that is important.
EUROPES SUPPORT:
Foreign industry support:
1CP Pionees can salvage wrecks.
1CP Czech industry is working for us:
Vechicle production speed is increased by 50%.
2CP Recovering vechicle wrecks of friendly and enemy vechicles can now be done by our pionees.
Foreign light troops support:
3CP Hungarian Toldi tank can now be called in:
Hotchkiss target
400MP
350HP
Vet 1: Commander. (+10 spotting range)
Vet 2: Overdrive.
Vet 3: Focused fire.
(http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww2/kepek/tanks/pics/toldi2_1.jpg)
2CP Call in a spy:
Sniper target
1x luger
450MP
50HP (low)
Camo, binoculars, booby trap demo charge, and divert supplies abilities.
Can build a "Telemetry station" detector.
It will look like a radio triangulation detector and work like a vampire halftrack detecting ability but for tanks also.
No vet. A spy is not a fighting unit.
2CP Osttruppen battlegroup is now ready:
700MP
2xTier 1 infantry
1x7.5 cm howitzer, Toldi tank, PzIIIL, StugIII or 2x3,7cm/47mm guns (random like Off-map combat group).
SIEGE:
Breakthru weapons:
1CP Tier 1 infantry can throw granades. Gebirgsjäger can throw bundled grenades.
4CP PzIII flamethrower tank can now be called in (No main gun, hull mounted flamethrower):
750MP
Vet 1: MG gunner.
Vet 2: Armored skirts.
Vet 3: Main gun is operational.
(http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/pz3ft/pz3ft_figure3.jpg)
Can aneone see a difference? :D
3CP Ferdinand heavy SP anti-tank gun can now be called:
Tiger I target
900MP
1500HP
Jagdpanthers gun.
Slow as the KT/SU-152.
1 on the field limit.
Crush medium(it had too little engine power).
Vet 1: Hull MG.
Vet 2: Marders site main gun.
Vet 3: Crush heavy.
(http://czolgi.info/wozy/elefant_05.jpg)
Heavy guns:
2CP Bunkers can now call a light mortar barrage within their spotting range. (Works well with a radio upgrade)
0 ammo, 5minutes cooldown
1CP We can now use Storch recon plane to spot for our artillery (Storch is like the US P-47 but slower and easier to shoot down).
3CP Wespe SP gun can now be called.
Hummel target.
550MP
350HP
25lbs gun damage and range (I know it had a 105 but it cant be as strong as the hummel).
Fires 4 rounds
Vet 1: Lockdown - increased range so it can match an super charged 25lbs.
Vet 2: Overwatch.
Vet 3: 5 rounds.
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/wespe_2.jpg)
MANOUVER:
Lightning strikes:
3CP MP44 are now available to our Gebirgsjäger:
Gebirgsjäger can be upgraded with MP44.
1CP Capping is now 25% faster.
1CP Our light vechicles can now use overdrive:
Halftracks and PzIIIL.
Combined arms coordination:
2CP Panzer crews now support each other.
Ablility like a group zeal but works on tanks/stugs.
How Group zeal works? (http://coh-stats.com/Ability:Group_Zeal)
3CP Ju-87 can drop a bomb with point blank accuracy.
200ammo
weaker than a V-1
Weaker infantry (most US and Soviet infantry) are suppresses for a short moment by the sound of a Stuka diving.
120sec cooldown.
4CP Tiger ace can now be called in:
1 time call-in.
1000MP (More than KT, Jagdpanther)
Loweres MP income. (Just like KT, Jagdpanther)
As strong as vet 3 Tiger. All stats are the same exept the gun. Its little more accurate and more accurate while on the move.
CONCLUSION
Things that make this army different make it great:
Completely italian/hungarian/romanian tier 1.
Light MG34 that can be upgraded to HMG is a good idea too.
A spy.
PzIIIL would be a perfect counter to all light armor.
All weapon crews have 1 or 2 rifles. They will fight back at long (18-35) ranges.
Vet 3 Gebirgsjäger that are even harder to kill than Tommies.
A camo net can be used on all units but it takes time to use it.
I also wanted to add units/abilities that I read about at this forum:
Vet that adds abilities
Non german infantry
Hungarian Toldi tank
Halftracks towing light guns
3,7cm PaK 36
Zimmerit anti-magnetic coating
Flamethrower tank
Eintossflammenwerfer 46 disposable flamethrower
A camo net
Elephant
Tiger ace comeback.
Thats all I have to so say. Sorry about my bad english (Im from Poland), thanks for reading and thanks very much for the EF add on. Please post.
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I think its the way your thread is set up.
Its names after names and more names.
Like reading a boring book.
Some of the names are good ideas though lol.
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230 views and no posts? ???
At least post that everything about this army sucks. ;D
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not bad,it was good the way you mixed Italian,Romanian and Hungarian solder's together and different concepts but I feel like this would be another red army just axis though. :-\
the ostheer army would be a little overdone but you had some good ideas ;)
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not bad,it was good the way you mixed Italian,Romanian and Hungarian solder's together and different concepts but I feel like this would be another red army just axis though. :-\
the ostheer army would be a little overdone but you had some good ideas ;)
I tried to think about hard working developers.
Some things are difficult to code, others to balance...
There are some differences between it and the Soviets (or Wermacht):
1. More MP expensive than Soviets.
2. Vet.
3. No SMG and doctrinal-only MP-44.
4. Light MGs can be build (not upgraded).
5. Its based on assault guns more than on tanks.
6. Very early and late AT-guns (3,7 and 7,5 cm).
7. A sneaky spy.
8. Veterans can be compared to guards but have less men and firepower, can shreck upgrade, are very hard to kill when retreating and have doctrinal bundled grenades or MP44 upgrades.
Becouse every unit has an ability (even 3) the Ostheer will be a difficult army to micro (everyone wants it that way).
Infantry spamming will only be possible with europes support doctrine. Tank spamming will be a bad idea becouse Ostheer has no real medium tanks. PzIII can be defeated by any allied medium tank while Stugs can be easily destroyed by AT guns. Cooperation is needed.
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Honestly, I dont agree with your set-up, you put alot of work into it, kudos for that and there are some really good ideas, but the Ostheer just would be way too weak if the veterancy was run like the Russian vet system, and it just looks way too similar to the Russians. The Ostheer was the most "battle hardened" troops of that time, also, historically, most heavy German tanks saw action in the Eastern Front, they should be like so, just having ability upgrades will really cut down the hype the Ostheer is bringing to CoH and itll be like massing a bunch of Vet 0 Volks with uber weapons, the damage output would be good, but if the opposing force has more health and the same weapons, your troops are toast. I just cant agree at all with the vet system, it makes the Ostheer way, way too weak.
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Honestly, I dont agree with your set-up, you put alot of work into it, kudos for that and there are some really good ideas, but the Ostheer just would be way too weak if the veterancy was run like the Russian vet system, and it just looks way too similar to the Russians. The Ostheer was the most "battle hardened" troops of that time, also, historically, most heavy German tanks saw action in the Eastern Front, they should be like so, just having ability upgrades will really cut down the hype the Ostheer is bringing to CoH and itll be like massing a bunch of Vet 0 Volks with uber weapons, the damage output would be good, but if the opposing force has more health and the same weapons, your troops are toast. I just cant agree at all with the vet system, it makes the Ostheer way, way too weak.
Damn.:o I tought people would say something like:
"What? Spammambe light MG squads with all these vet abilities and no ammo cost and quad halftracks? That will kill all russian infantry in seconds."
or "Armored skirts on every vet2 tank and zimmerit? This will make allied intantry AT weapons useless"
or "Kubelwagons, radio bunkers, vet 3 Tier I infantry and spies can all spot snipers. Why so many sniper detector units?"
or "Ferdinand and Tiger Ace are super tanks and you can have a normal Tiger I too... OP!"
Dindnt expect anyone to say that it is underpowered.
7,5cm gun emplacements and light forces (MGs) is what historically usually stopped the Soviet forces, not German tanks. Limited breakthru forces are in the late tiers but the heaviest equipment is in the the doctrines. Also German weapons (arti, tank guns, bombing runs) are more accurate.
So ill just change inf. target(armor) to inf. soldier target at vet 3 for some infantry.
Whats with "most heavy German tanks saw action in the Eastern Front"? Most German equipment saw action in the Eastern Front! ::)
Anyway thanks for the post. :)
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Honestly, I dont agree with your set-up, you put alot of work into it, kudos for that and there are some really good ideas, but the Ostheer just would be way too weak if the veterancy was run like the Russian vet system, and it just looks way too similar to the Russians. The Ostheer was the most "battle hardened" troops of that time, also, historically, most heavy German tanks saw action in the Eastern Front, they should be like so, just having ability upgrades will really cut down the hype the Ostheer is bringing to CoH and itll be like massing a bunch of Vet 0 Volks with uber weapons, the damage output would be good, but if the opposing force has more health and the same weapons, your troops are toast. I just cant agree at all with the vet system, it makes the Ostheer way, way too weak.
Damn.:o I tought people would say something like:
"What? Spammambe light MG squads with all these vet abilities and no ammo cost and quad halftracks? That will kill all russian infantry in seconds."
or "Armored skirts on every vet2 tank and zimmerit? This will make allied intantry AT weapons useless"
or "Kubelwagons, radio bunkers, vet 3 Tier I infantry and spies can all spot snipers. Why so many sniper detector units?"
or "Ferdinand and Tiger Ace are super tanks and you can have a normal Tiger I too... OP!"
Dindnt expect anyone to say that it is underpowered.
7,5cm gun emplacements and light forces (MGs) is what historically usually stopped the Soviet forces, not German tanks. Limited breakthru forces are in the late tiers but the heaviest equipment is in the the doctrines. Also German weapons (arti, tank guns, bombing runs) are more accurate.
So ill just change inf. target(armor) to inf. soldier target at vet 3 for some infantry.
Whats with "most heavy German tanks saw action in the Eastern Front"? Most German equipment saw action in the Eastern Front! ::)
Anyway thanks for the post. :)
Dont get me wrong, I like his ideas of units, but the veterancy should be different. Look at my idea of vet:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3047.0 (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3047.0)
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Dont get me wrong, I like his ideas of units, but the veterancy should be different. Look at my idea of vet:
The thing with youre vet is that it it would make StugIII tougher than StugIV. Giving more health to Ostheer than vet grenadieres/stormtroopers/guards have is also a bad idea.
Ostheer cant be OP vs US and UK.
Sure, I know that for every StugIII lost 3 T-34 were destroyed, but wheres balance in that. Also when youll have youre 1st StugIII with a long barrel (7,5cm gun upgrade) Soviet will have 2 T-34 (Soviet overcapping should be fixed). But Ostheer cant have even weak Stugs before US can get a 57mm.
I think a lot of abilities and good accuracy(even at vet 0) is what should differ Ostheer from other fractions. Wehrmacht the is tough fraction, UK defensive, US is about firepower and flanking, PE mobility and counters, Soviets spamming.
I also added tank optics global upgrade so the 1st shot will more likely be German.
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Interesting to see what it will be like, can I suggest 1 shot kills for the ostheers big tanks the 88s easily took out the t34s with 1 shot the SUs will take a few hits but.
OB3R
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Interesting to see what it will be like, can I suggest 1 shot kills for the ostheers big tanks the 88s easily took out the t34s with 1 shot the SUs will take a few hits but.
OB3R
One shot kills sound like one move win. COH is not about 1 shot kills!
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Just a smal mark:
there is a "line-mistake" into your concept right at start where you explain your tier system ;)
Regards.
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we also dont like throwing rocks.
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we also dont like throwing rocks.
My point is Ostheer should be the high accuracy lower damage fraction while soviets the oposite.
Of course Tiger will still have its 88mm gun but you wont be able to spam big guns.
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Agreed there should never be more than one Tiger its should always be the last thing you get also.
OB3R
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There were no M13/40s in Russia. The Italian expeditionary force only had L6/40 light tanks and the light tank destroyer Semovente 47/32.
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There were no M13/40s in Russia. The Italian expeditionary force only had L6/40 light tanks and the light tank destroyer Semovente 47/32.
Ok Im changing it to a hungarian tank then.
Too bad I liked the gun in the hull concept.:(
Tanks for the info.
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There were no M13/40s in Russia. The Italian expeditionary force only had L6/40 light tanks and the light tank destroyer Semovente 47/32.
Ok Im changing it to a hungarian tank then.
Too bad I liked the gun in the hull concept.:(
Tanks for the info.
Actually, the picture you posted was not an M13/40. That is an M11/39, which saw action in Africa. The 37mm gun is primary armament housed in the hull. It was a design that was built with the Spanish Civil War in mind. It was horribly out-classed from the start of the war.
The M13/40, and its later upgrades, the M14/41, and M15/42 looked like this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/M13_40_CFB_Borden_1.jpg)
The M13/40 series wielded the more capable 47mm Cannone da 47/32 M35. Overall, it was a sound light-tank design. The main drawback(like all other Italian armoured fighting vehicles) was that the armour was riveted, and not welded. This made the entire frame weaker, regardless of the thickness of armour. The engine was borrowed from the M11/39, but the problem wasteh M13/40 was heavier, so it had a poor power-to-weight ratio. The M14/41 was teh same tank but with a stronger engine. The M15/42 had an even better engine and a slightly upgraded turret.
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There were no M13/40s in Russia. The Italian expeditionary force only had L6/40 light tanks and the light tank destroyer Semovente 47/32.
Ok Im changing it to a hungarian tank then.
Too bad I liked the gun in the hull concept.:(
Tanks for the info.
Actually, the picture you posted was not an M13/40. That is an M11/39, which saw action in Africa. The 37mm gun is primary armament housed in the hull. It was a design that was built with the Spanish Civil War in mind. It was horribly out-classed from the start of the war.
I know. The photos had M11/39 in its name. :D
I wanted a tank that has a gun in a hull but can be upgraded to a turret mounted version. I called it M13/40 becouse this name is more common than M11/39.
M11/39 and M13/40 were allmost the same. The gun was the main difference.
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Hey paciat, im really liking your way of bringing more than
one tiger. Everybody wants to do that last but not least,
but its not easy to find a good one ;)
But what makes the Tiger Ace being a "ACE"?
There is no info about that atm.
I suggest higher speed, faster shooting. (like the orig. wehr
tiger ace did as well in the glorious old days.)
Really, i would love to see a tiger ace. I had it in one of my
very first concepts as well, but for the reason of originailty
and balance i had to drop it out of my concept :(
really looking for a good solution here..
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But what makes the Tiger Ace being a "ACE"?
There is no info about that atm.
I suggest higher speed, faster shooting. (like the orig. wehr
tiger ace did as well in the glorious old days.)
Really, i would love to see a tiger ace. I had it in one of my
very first concepts as well, but for the reason of originailty
and balance i had to drop it out of my concept :(
Before KingTiger appeared Tiger Ace was a Vet3 Tiger with more HP.
But I guess youre right. "Higher speed, faster shooting" would be better than more HP.
My ostheer army is based on accuracy and abilities. Becouse Tiger Ace had no abilities I would make ist gun a little faster and more accurate.
A tank optics upgrade would make it allmost 100% accurate. But it wouldnt be armored as a Jagdpanther or a KT and the turret rotation would be as slow as in a regular Tiger I.
I dont want to make it any faster than a Tiger I becouse a Tiger I that is as fast as a vet jagdpanther, has a turret and is better at killing AT guns and infantry would be very OP.
So in short a better gun makes the Tiger Ace being a "ACE".
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Ok you asked for feedback so here it is mate :) :
1. I like your veterancy idea, it is original and makes every single unit in game special in some way
2. 7.5cm PaK emplacement is nice thing to have :) but I guess it is too similar to 17pounder. I understand however that this was heavy PaK and would be hard to have it as movable gun. I think your PanzerjaegerIV could make the AT role better in conclusion so this Pak would not be needed.
3. I would not give the Italian/Hung./Rom. infantry the AT nades ability since I feel that those were more for advanced troops and this should be light infantry. They could have Molotov cocktail instead f.e..
4. Kubelwagen +1
5. Stielgranate 41 was shaped charge as far as I know, means anti-tank. I don't know about its use vs infantry but I could be wrong. Any info on this?
6. Gebirgsjaeger +1, however I would not give them AT rifles but something different because those were more like light or recon troops. And definitely not threadbreaker, since in your concept PaK36 has this ability. I think one unit only should have such ability otherwise it would be OP.
7. Sdkfz251 - medic upgrade seems very similar to Russian ZiS5 truck, I would reconsider other method of healing troops than in car... (some medic infantry f.e.)
8. only 1 Tiger? I know that this is a very often concern of many other players about more Tigers but I would not be afraid of putting 2 (or maybe 3 limit). It could be tuned with cost or attributes. If only 1 Tiger available ... why then make it in factory? It could be only doctrinal. When thinking about max.limit to units - no unit which can be build in building in whole CoH has limit, with exception of British LT, Captain and Command tank.
9. Spy unit - I would give them triangulation, but to be original they could build a "Telemetry station" f.e., which would be like British radio (cloaks after build) and have some range around which function as radar - similar to PE Vampire car. And limit its build to only 1 at a time in game.
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2. 7.5cm PaK emplacement is nice thing to have :) but I guess it is too similar to 17pounder. I understand however that this was heavy PaK and would be hard to have it as movable gun. I think your PanzerjaegerIV could make the AT role better in conclusion so this Pak would not be needed.
5. Stielgranate 41 was shaped charge as far as I know, means anti-tank. I don't know about its use vs infantry but I could be wrong. Any info on this?
6. Gebirgsjaeger +1, however I would not give them AT rifles but something different because those were more like light or recon troops. And definitely not threadbreaker, since in your concept PaK36 has this ability. I think one unit only should have such ability otherwise it would be OP.
7. Sdkfz251 - medic upgrade seems very similar to Russian ZiS5 truck, I would reconsider other method of healing troops than in car... (some medic infantry f.e.)
8. only 1 Tiger? I know that this is a very often concern of many other players about more Tigers but I would not be afraid of putting 2 (or maybe 3 limit). It could be tuned with cost or attributes. If only 1 Tiger available ... why then make it in factory? It could be only doctrinal. When thinking about max.limit to units - no unit which can be build in building in whole CoH has limit, with exception of British LT, Captain and Command tank.
9. Spy unit - I would give them triangulation, but to be original they could build a "Telemetry station" f.e., which would be like British radio (cloaks after build) and have some range around which function as radar - similar to PE Vampire car. And limit its build to only 1 at a time in game.
2. 7.5cm PaK emplacement can be build after very early upgrade. You just need 40 fuel.
PanzerjaegerIV on the other hand is a very late unit. You need Tier 2, 3 and 4 and a 7.5cm PaK upgrade to build it.
So the 7.5cm PaK replaces shrecks.
6. Gebirgsjaeger AT rifle isnt as powerfull as the russian rifle. It had only 7,92mm bullet. I would make it better (more accurate) at sniping infantry. Treadbreaker and AT granade the only thing that Gebirgsjaeger can do to medium tanks. All AT bullets will bounce off. Both 3,7 cm Paks and Gebirgsjaegers (like the PE halftrack) need to work with armor/7,5cm PaKs to destroy medium tanks.
5. Kompania Braci Odcinek 3 Część 2/7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIZHM4xziO4&feature=PlayList&p=E40262177A9F7B76&index=1#normal)
Its a Band of Brothers episode (translated to Polish - but who cares) at 7:35 Stielgranate 41 (correct me if Im wrong) is used vs infantry. But this ability can be also used vs heavier armor. (Armor penetraltion and damage bonus)
Ill change the description.
7. Ive got a "new" idea for a healing ability. In both Tiger Ace and Causeway campains theres an ability to revive wounded comrades for ammo. It would be great if (after an first aid upgrade?) every infantry squad could reinfrce using wounded that lay on the ground. When a squad is reviveing it could take more damage (like pioners repairing).
A german army without a halftrack would be wierd but Im going to re-think the Sdkfz251. (and the medic bunker as well)
8. There will be only 1 non doctrinal tiger, 1 siege doctrine elephant and 1 maneuver doctrine tiger ace.
Tech up, get 1750MP, 180 Fuel, 8CPs and you can make 2 Tigers or a Elephant/Tiger combo at the same time. The normal Tiger from the factory can be revived by a bergetiger so in theory you can have more than 2 tigers. :o
All tanks will also benefit from a "Panzer crews now support each other." ability. Its on the same side of the doctrinal tree as the Tiger Ace ability. Hope its not OP...
9. Thats a nice idea. :) I will change it.
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Just a small historical note about the Stielgranate 41:
That is one of the non historical points of Band of Brothers ;)
The Stielgranate 41 was used
against vehicles. This grenade hadnt a
high explosive effect like you see at the BoB
scene. The Stielgranate 41 based on the hollow
charges ( Hohlladungsgranate ) and not on
massive explosion by gunpowder. So a anti tank
gun crew would be crazy or despaired when they
had used such a grenade against infantry. So my
advice; when u think about such a "weapon", dont
use the Stielgranate 41 for anti infantry combat ;)
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So my advice; when u think about such a "weapon", dont
use the Stielgranate 41 for anti infantry combat ;)
Ok, Im changing it to a standard high explosive round.
In very early game PAK needs an ability to fight something more just jeeps and BREN carriers.
Again tanks for the info.
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2. 7.5cm PaK emplacement can be build after very early upgrade. You just need 40 fuel.
PanzerjaegerIV on the other hand is a very late unit. You need Tier 2, 3 and 4 and a 7.5cm PaK upgrade to build it.
So the 7.5cm PaK replaces shrecks.
6. Gebirgsjaeger AT rifle isnt as powerfull as the russian rifle. It had only 7,92mm bullet. I would make it better (more accurate) at sniping infantry. Treadbreaker and AT granade the only thing that Gebirgsjaeger can do to medium tanks. All AT bullets will bounce off. Both 3,7 cm Paks and Gebirgsjaegers (like the PE halftrack) need to work with armor/7,5cm PaKs to destroy medium tanks.
5. Its a Band of Brothers episode (translated to Polish - but who cares) at 7:35 Stielgranate 41 (correct me if Im wrong) is used vs infantry. But this ability can be also used vs heavier armor. (Armor penetraltion and damage bonus)
Ill change the description.
7. Ive got a "new" idea for a healing ability. In both Tiger Ace and Causeway campains theres an ability to revive wounded comrades for ammo. It would be great if (after an first aid upgrade?) every infantry squad could reinfrce using wounded that lay on the ground. When a squad is reviveing it could take more damage (like pioners repairing).
A german army without a halftrack would be wierd but Im going to re-think the Sdkfz251. (and the medic bunker as well)
8. There will be only 1 non doctrinal tiger, 1 siege doctrine elephant and 1 maneuver doctrine tiger ace.
Tech up, get 1750MP, 180 Fuel, 8CPs and you can make 2 Tigers or a Elephant/Tiger combo at the same time. The normal Tiger from the factory can be revived by a bergetiger so in theory you can have more than 2 tigers. :o
All tanks will also benefit from a "Panzer crews now support each other." ability. Its on the same side of the doctrinal tree as the Tiger Ace ability. Hope its not OP...
9. Thats a nice idea. :) I will change it.
2. I read some suggestions on this forum about heavy guns, like Pak40 to be able to move only with some kind of tractor or halftrack. Maybe this idea should be included in Ostheer. Anyway Pak40 emplacement should be available in game in approximate time when 17pounder could be available, to maintain balance. This means after 15+30+25 fuel.
5. Stielgranate41 - as Lord Rommel said, it is AT weapon. Btw I can understand Polish language, we are neighbor country ;)
6. If Gebirgsjaeger should have Threadbreak ability then I would not give it to Pak36 just for the sake of balance.
7. Some kind of halftrack is must for Ostheer! My suggestion was only concerning Medic upgrade to be not similar to Russian.
8. Tiger is quite a big issue for everybody, I'm thinking of some way to balance it like progressive popcap or something like that. I don't like the unit limit on units beeing produced in factory, that just not feel right. Although I understand the other point that more Tigers could be devastating - but hey that was just like in WW2! Tiger is just superb tank design, what else could be said...
I can imagine that from all Allies factions the British would eventually have the biggest problem dealing with multiple Tigers. US could use Rifle+Sticky/57/Ranger-Air RR/M10-M18 combo and Russian just spam Guards/AT guns/Su85-100/T34-IS2. British best option would be spam of Piats hidden in Kangaroos or trenches. 17pounders along with Fireflys would not survive long enough to stand multiple Tigers.
And the Bergtiger is only available for PE, so here we are talking about special case 2vs2 or more players. :)
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2. I read some suggestions on this forum about heavy guns, like Pak40 to be able to move only with some kind of tractor or halftrack. Maybe this idea should be included in Ostheer. Anyway Pak40 emplacement should be available in game in approximate time when 17pounder could be available, to maintain balance. This means after 15+30+25 fuel.
5. Stielgranate41 - as Lord Rommel said, it is AT weapon. Btw I can understand Polish language, we are neighbor country ;)
6. If Gebirgsjaeger should have Threadbreak ability then I would not give it to Pak36 just for the sake of balance.
7. Some kind of halftrack is must for Ostheer! My suggestion was only concerning Medic upgrade to be not similar to Russian.
8. Tiger is quite a big issue for everybody, I'm thinking of some way to balance it like progressive popcap or something like that. I don't like the unit limit on units beeing produced in factory, that just not feel right. Although I understand the other point that more Tigers could be devastating - but hey that was just like in WW2! Tiger is just superb tank design, what else could be said...
I can imagine that from all Allies factions the British would eventually have the biggest problem dealing with multiple Tigers. US could use Rifle+Sticky/57/Ranger-Air RR/M10-M18 combo and Russian just spam Guards/AT guns/Su85-100/T34-IS2. British best option would be spam of Piats hidden in Kangaroos or trenches. 17pounders along with Fireflys would not survive long enough to stand multiple Tigers.
And the Bergtiger is only available for PE, so here we are talking about special case 2vs2 or more players. :)
2. All heavy guns (105, 88, 25lbs, 17lbs, bofors) were towed but they are build in COH. I just dont want to create ideas that are difficult (or impossible) to code.
In my concept you can have 7,5cm emplacements after an 40Fuel upgrade but youll probably will want to build Tier I or Tier II first (becouse AT guns are allmost useless in early game vs allies).
So youre probaly have 7,5cm PAKs in the same time when UK has theirs.
5. I allready changed Stielgranate41 to HE shells. Very early AT guns need an ability fo fight infantry (I doubt that youll get to vet 3 only by killing BRENs and jeeps).
6. Pak 3,7cm have a treadbreaker ability at vet 3 now so you probably want see them treadbreaking anyway.
7. Still thinking about a halftrack. A german army without a halftrack/truck is a joke for me.
8. I dont want to give more than 2 tigers to Ostheer in 1vs1 games.
At double Ostheer games (2vs2) there can be 4 Tigers on the field :o (2 for every Ostheer player).
There are also JagdpanzerIVs that can support Tigers well with their Panther guns.
2 tigers and a 20mm quad will also kill any ranger/PIAT blob so AT guns Fireflies, M-18/M-10, is the only real to defeat 2 Tigers with support.
But for 1800MP/180fuel you can build 3 hellcats and 3 AT guns.
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You saved me a lot of posting. Everything I thought the ostheer should have (rifles/abilities/foreign troops) is in there! And the doctrines aren't bad either.
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It's a good Ostheer, a lot better than what I could come up with.
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Hellcats not ambushing are worthless against anything heavier then a P4, in a 3v3 I had 3 Tigers because they killed my tigers and we finally pushed them back far enough to get them back then the one US player threw 9 Hellcats at my tigers and they all died before I lost 50% health on one of the Tigers
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Hellcats not ambushing are worthless against anything heavier then a P4, in a 3v3 I had 3 Tigers because they killed my tigers and we finally pushed them back far enough to get them back then the one US player threw 9 Hellcats at my tigers and they all died before I lost 50% health on one of the Tigers
When I played as PE the same thing happened with hellcats vs Jagdpanther. The guy I was playing with said "how is that fair?"
According to coh-stats.com M-18 has the x2 dmg and x5 penetration when ambushed and longer gun range.
But the normal gun penetration of M-18 is twice as low as M-10. Its also slower and less accurate vs infantry.
Vet 2 M-10 also gets a 1,5 Penetration bonus instead of M-18 Weapon Range bonus.
My advice - use M-10 or M-18 and 57mm combo.