Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Other discussions (Read-Only) => Eastern Front => Topic started by: RedGuard on April 08, 2011, 09:48:32 AM
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yes as my topic say it
I am asking you comrade who from this list based on elite/spec op unit featured in Coh
who you think the best not based on game but in real war. why you think this
I encourage you i think there no right or wrong answer. I like your opinions plz so dont be shy to share
1.Soviet shock/assault Guard
2.US Army Ranger
3.The Fallschirmjager
4.British Commando/SAS
5.Knights cross(we will say they are the nazi SS)
6.Your favorite not on here? Share them and so community may learn
my vote go to the shock guard because no nation can match Soviet might and fanatacism. assault guard are hard as nails occompanied by commisar to fight to the last man morale unbreakable for glorious motherland! full political indoctrinization was assured much like the zealous SS truppe
additonally soviet were plenty more than enemy and could not stop red tide
I also like to add honorable mention to the SS, as much as i dislike the fascist they were elites in morale and fighting ability.
and I think the US Rangers was the best equipped logistically
why you think comrade?
is you favorite underrated? under equipped speak now or forever hold a piece
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The one with most health, best armor, most useful abilities, shortest cool-down timers, best against tanks and infantry, and also the fastest and skull-crushing global vet. So just look up all these parameters in corsix and find out what the answer is.
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You miss the point, not best in company of hero. best in real life. opinions please ???
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Oh!
Then I say, it's soviet guards, since they become guards as a reward for outstanding military accomplishments. I'm not talking about individuals, but the whole regiments - that scale, since individuals are a great variety.
Actually, it's the marines - both individually and at regimental scale (black sea, baltic sea, north sea, pacific ocean fleets), but they aren't in your list. They are the best of the best 'till nowadays in the entire russian military, and they've been considered that since forever.
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Actually, it's the marines - both individually and at regimental scale (black sea, baltic sea, north sea, pacific ocean fleets), but they aren't in your list. They are the best of the best 'till nowadays in the entire russian military, and they've been considered that since forever.
My friend has surfaced a good point
if you have more suggestion for elites and special forces that i did not mention please share! I think there will be many and I am excited to learn about them!
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SAS, No doubt, No Question
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6. Heavy Storm Grenadiers Vet3 & Assault Grenades
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if you ask about real WWII, so then remove Knight's Cross Holders - they never existed. Nazi SS? You mean Waffen SS?
And my vote goes for USA Rangers! As an infiltration unit they could spent months behind enemy lines, like they did in France.
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why dont add the naval infantry is a perfect special unit and is inside eastern front mod.
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I think this post will be closed because topics created by fanboys are always dangerous and a flame-machine in every forum.
Anyway, I vote for SAS, without doubts.
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In no particular order.
Brandenburgers (German Special Forces).
British Commando's SAS/ SBS (Para's and Royal Marines included).
1st Special Service Force (Devil's Brigade).
Chindits (British India/Gurkha). Gurkha's to this day are still regarded as some of the finest infantrymen in the world.
I know about the Shock/Guard status of the Soviet Union, just unfamiliar with any individual units. I do know that Soviet Paratroopers were quite elite.
Did the Soviet Union during WW2 have any Spetnaz type units?
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In no particular order.
Brandenburgers (German Special Forces).
British Commando's SAS/ SBS (Para's and Royal Marines included).
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+1 ;D!!
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I think this post will be closed because topics created by fanboys are always dangerous and a flame-machine in every forum.
Oh, you really think? ;D
For me, every army has its elite forces, so I won't pick a particular choice, as they all are quiet able on the battlefield!
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I think this post will be closed because topics created by fanboys are always dangerous and a flame-machine in every forum.
Oh, you really think? ;D
For me, every army has its elite forces, so I won't pick a particular choice, as they all are quiet able on the battlefield!
There's always someone watching from the shadows ;).
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My personal favorite would be the Brandenburgers. But the best ones were/are the SAS no doubt. ( Hidden and dangerous1-2 fanboy<3)
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why dont add the naval infantry is a perfect special unit and is inside eastern front mod.
Where did you get that skin?
It looks good, but the beret needs to be fixed a little. Looks too British.
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Not to flame, really, but...
I do know the specifics of SAS training (at least those that are made public), and I would still call soviat marines the best special recon force of the WW2, - they recieved extensive training to superbly use/handle all kinds of firearms, and even artillery, including the enemy ones, as well as very good close-combat training.
Well, after all, it is a matter of preference. Yet one should consider to actually get to know what he is judging about, which I, for my part, had done.
There's a better skin (http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1606/marines2w.jpg)
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Not to flame, really, but...
I do know the specifics of SAS training (at least those that are made public), and I would still call soviat marines the best special recon force of the WW2, - they recieved extensive training to superbly use/handle all kinds of firearms, and even artillery, including the enemy ones, as well as very good close-combat training.
Yep, in the mid-late 30s Soviets had the lead in many branches of the army. Airborne troops, tanks, artillery... but arent marines an assault force? I mean you dont need to handle enemy guns if youre just a recon force.
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Not to flame, really, but...
I do know the specifics of SAS training (at least those that are made public), and I would still call soviat marines the best special recon force of the WW2, - they recieved extensive training to superbly use/handle all kinds of firearms, and even artillery, including the enemy ones, as well as very good close-combat training.
Yep, in the mid-late 30s Soviets had the lead in many branches of the army. Airborne troops, tanks, artillery... but arent marines an assault force? I mean you dont need to handle enemy guns if youre just a recon force.
You have a point. What would you call 'em then?
Whatever that would be, they were (and still are, but that's OT) the elite of the elites. That was my point. Sorry if I messed it up.
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Special Military Teams.
I think, Soviet Marines, or Soviet Paratroopers ... they are making hard successful operationsduring all the war.
Secastopol, Odessa ...
1941-1942 ... descent operations ...
Many of them makes a future Guard & special divisions.
For the special force ...
In 1940, NKVD capture a report from the agents of the ABVER.
(I can not post the source, because the lust time i read & seek 4-6 books ... i can not remember.)
That telegramm says that the Soviet Recon service is very hard for Crack & making anti soviet divertions.
But, know about diversions & counteract for this is different & hard actions.
Future battles of those two special divisions makes an important acts for the first years of the war, battle for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kaukasus, Bagration, anti-Abver-Diversion teams on the Ukrain Republik. Pre war western & Asian recon & diversion operations "makes falls".
Without those successful actions, Victory makes not possible.
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Nothing pleases me better than uncloaking 2 full MP44-armed Stormtrooper squads 2ft from a mob of infantry. Instant meatgrinder without the hassle.
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dont forget the ninja nade bundle! ;D
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dont forget the ninja nade bundle! ;D
Unless it goes into a trench or the troops are blobbed together I find it a waste of ammo because it's 25 more ammo for a SLIGHTLY better grenade that does TREMENDOUS damage to infantry in trenches and SLIGHTLY better damage to infantry in cover.
I'd rather use Assault, around 15-20 grenades flung at the enemy and it stuns them, making them unable to fight and more vurnerable to the grenade shower.
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Or for absolutely busting up howitzer emplacements before going ninja and turning the gun against the Brits/Soviets!
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SAS, No doubt, No Question
/signed ;D
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Who dares win ;D
That's my vote
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SAS IS THE BEST NO MATTER WHAT! WITHOUT THEM WE WOULD OF HAD A HARD TIME TAKING FRANCE AND MAY OF EVEN LOST THE WAR!
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Not to flame, really, but...
I do know the specifics of SAS training (at least those that are made public), and I would still call soviat marines the best special recon force of the WW2, - they recieved extensive training to superbly use/handle all kinds of firearms, and even artillery, including the enemy ones, as well as very good close-combat training.
Yep, in the mid-late 30s Soviets had the lead in many branches of the army. Airborne troops, tanks, artillery... but arent marines an assault force? I mean you dont need to handle enemy guns if youre just a recon force.
You have a point. What would you call 'em then?
Whatever that would be, they were (and still are, but that's OT) the elite of the elites. That was my point. Sorry if I messed it up.
Gee, they work on ships. They handle large caliber guns. I'll bet they hang around in bars too. I'd call em Sailors. Never met a ABS who thought they were anything but elite. :)
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Brandenburgers (German Special Forces).
Lol, I'm a brandenburger xD (part of germany)
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lol nice.
It's all a matter of preference, but it seems their needs to be a separation between an "Elite Fighting Force" and "Special Forces" rather then grouping them together.
An elite fighting force would be units that were at divisional or brigade strength and fought on the frontlines in the hardest situations. A special forces unit works in small teams behind enemy lines on high risk missions with a high possibility of being detected/captured. Most special forces units in WW2 learned the languages of their enemies, and had ample knowledge of their radio and weapon systems
Alot of the special forces units today trace their lineage back to WW2, and over time have evolved. It's hard to say now, because we weren't there at the time, which specific unit had the hardest training, or which unit would win if they were put up against each other.
The SAS for example are the models for most Western countries special forces programs (SFOD, SASR, NZSAS, JTF-2, French 1er RPIMa) and alot of their techniques were discovered and mastered during WW2, but each individual country took the initial guide and made it into their own. But who are we to judge and say which unit would come out on top when their skill set's they have complement each other.
Each unit then and now has their uniqueness, but when it comes down to it their still human beings and still bleed red. They aren't tied down by what nationality they belong to and were all equally deadly.
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Im voting Fallschirmjager both in real life and in the game ;)
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я считаю гвардейцы best ;), им только базуки не хватает :(
Post Merge: July 17, 2011, 07:52:55 PM
в реальной жизни вряд ли можно сказать каждый человек побывавшей на войне обладает великим мужеством.
Write in english pls...this is not a russian website.
If you don't know english, use Google Translator.
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i vote knights cross holders, with vet 3 they are like super human, there only match is ( well i think ) paratroopers with recoil rifles, when they gain vet than can stand up to the KCH. storm troopers are nice as well because of how usefull they can be, anti tank or anti inf with ambush abilite
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Fallschirmjagers, Stormtroopers
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Stormtroopers are just crazy ::)
I vote the Sas
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Fallshirmjagers all the way
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Fallschirmjagers, Stormtroopers
We're talkin' about real life, not CoH.
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Both of those are real...
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.... and are in COH.
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SAS
i think they are the best soldiers in the world today
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Green Berets? Spetnaz? French GIGN? :P
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Green Berets? Spetnaz? French GIGN? :P
Silly Fish, French don't know how to fight anything other than Americanization (just read that they banned Ketchup in schools with anything other than French Fries which they will make sure to serve only once a week, just to make sure that the American condiment doesn't become too popular) and they even suck at that, so have can they even have a special operations team that knows how to do something other than wave the White Flag of France?
Anyway, hmm Special Forces? Polish GROM operatives are pretty damn cool, as are the SAS. But my crown goes to the Israeli Special Forces particularly the Sayeret Matkal regiment. These guys are godly.
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LOL no one nice to French combat forces. French GIGN look cool ;D. At least in my game :P.
Germans have special forces but forgot name :-X
I AM MAAAAAAJORRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! DIIEEE FACISTS!!!! ;D ;D(post :P)
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KSK (german spec ops)
all special forces are pretty badass i guess
they employ similar tactics, in fact many spec forces are trained by SAS and most western spec forces cross train
Speznaz btw has exercices that are not in line with human rights (i am not making this up) a speznaz in traning has no rights at all, it is a fight for survival, pretty hardcore so i guess the people who actually get in the Speznaz are the baddest Mofos around
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i guess the people who actually get in the Speznaz are the baddest Mofos around
I agree :P. Speznatz traines are hurt very brutally. Not just a punch or yelling like in US army. More like a knife and interogation :-X. "In order to inflict pain, they must first understand and experience pain". Something like that :P.
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Yea my grandpa was part of the first Spetnaz regiments ever organized (1960s IIRC) He tells me the training was horridly brutal. He still has scars from the combat training and even though he isn't in shape he can beat the crap out of almost anyone. I recall he mentioned crawling through a blacked out room filled with barbed wire and blood. You got no equipment and only your shirt and pants for protection. So it gets quite gruesome, because they really don't feel pain. I don't consider them as the best because they don't understand how to attack any objective with out creating a giant mess and killing half of the civilians in an area. The Moscow theater being the best example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis)
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Well they're tough but not necessailly effective ;). Nice example though neosdark :D.
Im not really sure about US combat missions. I don't mean to be mean or hurtful to any US military combatants but we just don't seem as good or well known. Sure, we killed Osama Bim laden but that shouldn't even count ::). He was unarmed. Derp :P. I only bring that up b/c that was they're most recent action in the news :P
And some movies portray us as doing super but movies are suppose to glorify our performance in the name of the country ::). And then some movies and TV shows always show us getting ambushed and taken hostage :'(
Our KDR(to put it very simply) of enemy comabtants to US soldier IMHO is mainly due to our superior air power. Terriorist dont have F-14 fighters, they have.....car bombs ???. And we have superior gear over them. But most special forces have this gearso we aren't nesscarily special in terms of equipment (although we do have a new stealth helicopter ;))
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i think the seal teams the other american special forces are in fact very good
you never hear about their missions right?
this is how good they are
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you never hear about their missions right?
this is how good they are
Now that I think about it that probably made sense XD
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All special forces are good ? It all depends on what they are upp to?
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i mean they are good at what they do. if they do evil shit they execute it good. their bullets dont miss the kids they want to kill. thats what i meant with good, they are well trained
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Finnish Jaagers and SAS
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Wow, what an old topic :o
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New people want to talk in old topics I guess :P
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New people want to talk in old topics I guess :P
Nothing wrong with it it's just like preforming CPR xD
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New people want to talk in old topics I guess :P
Nothing wrong with it it's just like preforming CPR xD
Actually, this is like revive the dead/create Frankenstein's monster/make zombie :P
I don't know the specific best special force but I know the one adept with explosive is the best. Image a potato-shaped C4 with time denator being tossed to the enemy, it ignores nearly everything and always cause dead. Move cover2cover, supressing fire, flanking? You're complicated noob, watch me toss something funny and then we can have some beers soon.
PS: forget about suicide bombers, it's a different story. We fight so we can live(fight) another day not to die with it.
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this topic is too old to restart. if i see older stuff like the "my bridge" topic re-opened, i will be pissed. that thing lived too long anyways.
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Australian/UK SAS are supposed to be the best. not sure why but that's what i heard and believe for now
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There are so many special ops groups out there it's hard to point to one indefinitely. Operation Gladio is decent on the minor scale there.
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WW2
My vote goes for the "Fallschirmjägers" Just look at the Skorzeny group who rescued Mussolini or the Storm Group Koch that took Eben Emael,
85 men took a fortress from around 1000 men = pwnage.
Nowdays
Definately DeltaForce!!
Theyre requirements are so tough and you can't fail any of the test. Because they get so many recruits and exam them individually very carefull, they end up with some of the best boys for the job.
This is the elite of the elite.
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maybe, but in the battle of crete falls kinda sucked.
i wouldnt be suprised. but it is an anti terror ubit, not an assault force.
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maybe, but in the battle of crete falls kinda sucked.
From what I know, the Fallschirmjagers were well trained but their supplies and weapons were scattered everywhere and the weapons themselves sometimes fell into enemy hands since they were paradropped in boxes. Thus the need for FG42s. But later they became defensive troops who dominated the battle field.
Falls FTW
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Has anyone else seen "The Eagle Has Landed"? Pretty good movie.
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Has anyone else seen "The Eagle Has Landed"? Pretty good movie.
LOL only saw abit off it once, was a pretty old movie as far as i remember. But since you recommend it ill try to watch it again :D
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Whats it about ???
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Whats it about ???
German fallshirmjäger on a rogue assasination mission or something
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They try to capture Winston Churchill. There's some decent fight scenes for the time and Michael Caine is epic.
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FSJ were some of the best armed-- an average US infantry company (200 men) would have 9 BARs and 2 .30 caliber MGs for it's mobile automatic firepower. It's German FSJ contemporary of about 160 men would be armed with no less then 40 MP40s or MP44s, and anywhere from 10-20 MG42s/MG34s, in addition to G43s and FG42s.
Motivation wise, Rangers take the cake. They went through some rough stuff to get as good as they did, and a Ranger battalion numbered around 200 men--the typical size of an average company (3 companies +a heavy weapons, engineering, or support company= 1 battalion).
For overall impact? The SAS, LRDG, or SOE. They sabatoged the allies' way to victory.
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my vote for the best SF/Elite units has to go either for JTF2 or The Devils Brigade (predecessor unit to modern JTF2).
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Can you explain what JTF2 stands for?
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Joint Task Force 2, one of the canadian special forces units.
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IDK but it seems the SEALs are starting to dominate the battlefield. Experience is everything.
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very true that the SEALS are world class but as opposed to many other special forces units in the world such as GRU, SBS and many others the SEALS get more radio play as it were so people hear about them more same thing goes for the CIA. Due to the amount of radio play the CIA gets in popular media people think that they are the major spy agency in the US when in fact the largest is the DIA (defense intelligence agency)
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My personal elite team are the guys from Sven Hassel's novels :D Joseph Porta, Lıttle John, Barcelona etc. Badass expandable guys who have no fear behınd enemy lınes ( Mostly in Soviet territory besides Finland ).
http://www.svenhassel.net/
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My personal opinion is its gotta be out of the British SAS or Russian Spetsnaz
Two bad ass special forces :p
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My personal elite team are the guys from Sven Hassel's novels :D Joseph Porta, Lıttle John, Barcelona etc. Badass expandable guys who have no fear behınd enemy lınes ( Mostly in Soviet territory besides Finland ).
http://www.svenhassel.net/
Really good books. The one about Monte Cassino is my favorite! However I do hope you know they are all fiction? :> ( no offense just want to check!)
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My personal elite team are the guys from Sven Hassel's novels :D
However I do hope you know they are all fiction? :> ( no offense just want to check!)
That fat smiley up there is your answer mate ; )
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Well this one is a difficult question to answer. There are many possibilities for this question. I know the marines are not special forces but they are quite good at what they do. Take Iwo Jima for instance there were 22000 Japanese there and only 200 lived for thats 20000 Japanese deaths and only 6800 marines died.
Then if were talking modern or right after ww2 then i might have to go with the Israeli Commandos. They are some of the best trained and
very capable of taking on spetznaz or any other special force. The FSJ are good aswell.
Then this is more of a generalization i say Snipers are pretty elite if you're a good enough sniper the only thing that beats you is counter-sniper. If you don't believe me on that then think of the Snipers of Stalingrad. or who i see as the best Sniper in history Simo Hayha.
A Finnish sniper who killed 705 Soviet soldiers in The Winter War(1940)
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The penal forces of SU! Criminals, party enemies, reunite! Forward into mines and machine gun fire so those behind us can safely move up without fear!
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A rather obscure special forces/elite unit that fought in the eastern front was the Italian Bersaglieri. This was a corps of elite light infantry regiments that fought with the Italian 8th army until it was virtually destroyed by the Dom River during the battle of Stalingrad in 1943. The Italian's played a surprisingly large role in the early years of the this conflict and I find them interesting because they don't get very much attention.
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I cannot recall it quite clearly now, but the Red Army had special unit of engineers trained in destroying enemy hard points. They were armed with body armor, explosives, flamethrowers and shitload of captured panzerfausts (they were using more than 100 a day).