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Messages - loran korn

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Ostheer Suggestions / Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« on: March 02, 2010, 02:03:04 PM »
I love the idea. Foreign troops I think should only have support role as the Germans carried the Eastern Front on their backs. I disagree with the Mauser though. I made Steyr-Mannlicher and the M44 smg for Hungarians. They did not have Mausers.
As for the Panzer II: I dont hate to disagree. By 1942 the Panzer II was all but obsolete. Heck it was obsolete by 1940! We have Luchs and I think Panzer III is the most mild we should go.

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Ostheer Suggestions / Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« on: March 01, 2010, 05:04:56 PM »
For the love of God! The thread says "suggestions" not nagging! For how long can this go on? Just tell this guy he is gonna have his beloved Romanian units and lets get it over with! I mean I dont even know how we could play CoH until now without the ever-achiever, fantastic Romanian troops...God, I mean am I the only one here who is already totally sick of this?  ???


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Ostheer Suggestions / Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« on: February 28, 2010, 09:34:32 PM »
I think the Royal Hungarian 2nd Army should be given support role in Ostheer. They did not achieve much either in offensive or defensive action (on tactical level yes, but not much strategically) after the Curve of the Don but were often used on rear guard role and flank support by the retreiving Germans and often received German tank support for that.
It should be interesting.
Portraying the Hungarians infantry is almost just a 2d job because their M35 helmet and long coats looked almost identical to the Germans' and their gear (gas mask cylinde, mess kit, ammo pouch) also looked close enough that only a skinning job would make regular German infantry look like Hungarian infantry pretty well as they looked IRL.
Although they had interesting tanks of which the Zrínyi assault gun was particularly successful, the army received German Marder IIs, Panzer IVs, and StuGs. It is also realistic to assign German panzer support just like it often happened.

Rifles: Steyr-Mannlicher, smgs: M39 or M44, lmg: Madsen or ZB26 are simple models to make for the infantry. They can use German mortars.

My point is, that with minimum input the Hungarian Army could be portrayed and since they were historical allies to the Axis in previous wars also and remained allied with the Germans literally to the last day of the fightings (in fact about 40 thousand Hungarian troops crossed to border to Austria to keep fighting even after Hungary was forced to sign its surrender), I think it would be an asset and historically correct. Its hard to imagine the Eastern Front without the Hungarian Army, although ill-equipped and with shortcomings. Of the total number of casualties of the Eastern Front hundreds of thousands were Hungarians.


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Ostheer Suggestions / Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« on: February 28, 2010, 11:08:34 AM »
Romania is the perfect example why WW2 cannot be interpreted without knowing WW1. In WW1 Romania teamed up with the winners (ANTANT) and took huge chunks away from neighboring countries without contributing to the victory itself. Got Transylvania from Hungary with 3 million Hungarians and only entered WW2 to be able to keep this territory because Hungary was about march thru alongside the Germans. Just twenty years earlier the Romanians were fighting against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians then switched sides to be with the appearant winners of the new world war. Turning on its former allies the French and British - the very states that rewarded Romania with huge territories. Opportunisticly I might add. The German only needed a former enemy because of the oil fields of Romania and a buffer zone between The Reich and Bolsevism. Romania did not fight against Bolsevism, Romania entered the war to sit at the table after the war and enjoy rewards again for no significant contribution in the war effort itself. Again.
Then, when things went bad and Germany was losing the grip on the war Romania figured the winners are on the other side. So backstabbed its allie Germany. Are you counting? Switching side for the third time in only three decades. Fought WITH the Bolsevists because the Romanians always wanted to end the war on the winner's side for possible rewards. Then re-occupied Transylvania once more and took it from Hungary once again with all its Hungarian population just to mistreat those people for decades to come.
Are you serious about including such a country portrayed and giving it a role? In what? Backstabbing?
Psyhopat, stop your crap about Romania's heroism! The Romanian army did not have a single achivement during either wars other then trying to make friends with the winners all the time. No principals, no real goals, no belief, no sense of partnership and no backbone to stick to its allies ever. Just the greed to take something it couldnt alone.
I am sick and tired of this horseshit about the might of Romania. Face it, your country (not you) was a backstabbing traitor, swinging from left-to right-to left again- to right again just to end the war on the winners' side. That does not deserve portraying!
The Hungarians could not make a significant contribution but at least remained allies to the very bitter end and refused the Russian offer "to end the war now, backstab the Germans" while their country was all but destroyed by the very force offered to end their suffering.
I dont care which country is gonna be given any role in Ostheer, i dont care if its the Romanians but pls Psyhopat stop blabbing about how great a country and allie Romania was and how it must be portrayed because I dont think the 2d artist on the EF team has enough resources to remake the flag every time the Romanians decide to switch sides during the play.

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Ostheer Suggestions / Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« on: February 27, 2010, 01:14:38 AM »
"Hungarian, Bulgarian and Romanian troops where the main reason of the defeat in Stalingrad."
@shalar
The Royal Hungarian 2nd Army was stationed at the Curve of the Don river and although it lacked the manpower and heavy weapons it was ordered to defend a stretch of MLR that soldiers were stationed 50 yards from one another to cover the total lenght. Kampfgruppe Kramer held command of the limited Hungarian armour and even the Hungarian tanks could not enter the battle when the Kampfgruppe turned around and executed a withdraw. Those tankers watched their countrymen get decimated and could not, under order, help them. The Hungarian high command protested how the Hungarian winter clothing and food, ammo and medical supplies didnt even reach the front line as the Germans held it back as they suspected the thin MLR will be overrun.
The Russian attacked on that particular section because they knew the Hungarians were over committed and the Germans have no intention of throowing their armour in the battle despite promises made by the German high command.
In spite of all this the Hungarians held the line for days and even pushed back the Russians several times. Villages in the sector were re-occupied and the line was strenghtened in the belief that Kampfgruppe Kramer will arrive. The losses exceeded 50%, in some areas all Hungarians died in division force on the ground they were designated to defend.
Then they pulled back and fought their way all they to the Transylvanian border and then into Hungary covering thousands of kilometres. In the process they destroyed more then 400 Russian tanks and stopped the Russian tzunami twice.
In access of 800 000 Hungarians died in all this. Among them my grandfather.
How can you say that Hungarians are to blame in any degree for the disaster of Stalingrad? I have never heard such disrespectful statement. I suggest you look for the real reasons: attacking Stalingrad was the cause of the disaster. Ordering the 6th Army to stay put was the cause of the disaster. Believing Goring that he will save the situation was the cause of the disaster. And I could go on and on.
But stating in confidence that the Hungarians are to be blamed whereas they fought and held the line for days with no winter clothing, no food or ammo, no medical supplies, ill-equipped with light infantry forces against Russian Tank divisions in winter clothing, well-fed and resupplied with heavy arti support, is criminal!
Shame on you!

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Announcements / Re: Eastern Front Release Date
« on: January 02, 2010, 01:27:07 PM »
Nothing but the best denky_groove  ;D
But seriously...its gonna rock you'll see. The customs models are fantastic and my sounds hopefully give them that extra touch.

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Announcements / Re: Eastern Front Release Date
« on: January 02, 2010, 01:18:02 PM »
Oh-oh, you have found me... :)

I am retired as you can see. Having a great time on the sunny island of Gran Canaria, sipping ice cold drinks on my balcony overlooking the marina 8) .... and thinking about new sound ideas ( along with how in hell to make ends meet with a woefully small pension I get) .
So I am making sound mods for now. Killing time is a priority or I would be sipping too many ice cold drinks  ;)

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Announcements / Re: Eastern Front Release Date
« on: January 02, 2010, 09:48:56 AM »
@DeVilzZx

The Russian have their custom sounds yes, and for the Germans you will have to download lorankorn's sound mod. It has modified German and Allied sounds, nearly every one of them.

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