Replace the KV-1 with the KV-85, after 85mm upgrade

[kesik123]

I found a dummy data. It was the KV-85.

KV-1 is sturdy, so very useful in the early.

However, it is not useful in the latter. 76.2mm gun is weak.

T-34/76 that are using the same gun has a 85mm upgrade.

But, this does not apply to KV-1.

I managed to see the modeling of KV-85.

I want KV-1 is applied to 85mm upgrade.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

At the moment there is no plan to add a 85mm upgrade to the KV-1.
It is a "midgame" shock unit with decent potential against soft targets and light and medium vehicles. Can take a lot of hits. All in all a good unit.
In my opinion there is no reason for a change (atm).

[chaosval3]

Agree with Rommel here. The KV-1 is a massive bitch to deal with. It has to be one of the best damage sponges ever made and has some great firepower. It has great splash damage often killing 2 men with each well-placed shot and only for 600 manpower? Count me in! This does not mean that KV-85 is ruled out, you might see it back somewhere along the line. Not exactly sure

[Celtics23]

I think the KV-85 was also on a modified, lighter version of the KV-1 chassis. With less armor. So if it would be added, you would be adding firepower, but at the cost of some armor.

[Codename "Tiger"]

The KV1 is imho the right tank for the Soviets.
For German heavy Tanks you have PAKs, AT Nades(Guns) and ofc SU 85/100 or T34 and SU76.
So the KV1 is good for killing Inf and taking damage.
Its a perfect combination.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

Thing is, the KV-1 is meant as a breakthrough tank for infantry support. Much like Tiger said - useful for pushing through defenses (with heavy crush) and to support infantry advances (also the reason why the KV 1 call in is on the same tree as "Inspiring Speech", which acts as a support ability for infantry units).

For a 4cp unit, the KV 1 performs pretty well overall.

The reasons why there is no KV 85 upgrade are pretty simple:

- the KV 85 doubles in its role with the IS 2 too much. Both are meant as heavy breakthrough tanks for lategame situations to stand up to enemy elite infantry and tanks.
- to fit into the soviet upgrade scheme you'd need to be able to upgrade KV 1 tanks to KV 85s. And this makes no sense, as KV 85s were highly modified from the original KV 1 tanks
- Breakthrough already offers a lot of utility to soviets and helps out with various types of strategies, and getting the KV 1 and KV 85 would make it even stronger
- The Soviet upgrade system for heavy tanks will be reworked in the next release, so the KV 85 will fit even less compared to the current release version

The KV 85 is likely to be featured in a reward doctrine for Soveits in the future.