Eastern Front News #04.12.2009

[BurroDiablo]

SU-85 has less problems because its not piloted by a bunch of eejits.

A person can either take the T-34/76, or can wait for an extra 30 fuel and get a Tank destroyer with a bigger gun, better accuracy, better penetration and longer range. I'd understand perfectly if somebody chose the SU-85 over a T-34/76.

[Voop_Bakon]

30 less fuel eh? As in the numbers are set. It seems balance testing is nearing its conclusion. Good, good. My guess, SU-85 is 110 fuel and t-34 is 80 or its 90-60 receptively

[Loupblanc]

 Explains completely why the SU85 can eat Panthers for
 breakfast See, the SU85 is a Marder - with armor

 Cage should be on T34/76 damn it!

[40oz]

Hopefully the Elephant tank can send the SU85 back to the hole it crawled out from . That IS-2 is gunna bring some problems tho lol

[BurroDiablo]

Panther can't stay on top forever...

[Loupblanc]

 Yea but SU85 comes out same time StuG comes out...
 major ouch.

[ford_prefect]

 Yea but SU85 comes out same time StuG comes out...
 major ouch.

uhhh I'm sorry loup but how do you know that??

[Sparta955]

StuG 3=1940-1945
StuG IV=1943-1945

SU85=1943-1945

Google my friend, google.

[ford_prefect]

StuG 3=1940-1945
StuG IV=1943-1945

SU85=1943-1945

Google my friend, google.

yes I thought he ment in the game my friend

[Loupblanc]

 Sparta955 is right
 Ahah, actually, I was making a reference to the fact that
 Soviet SU85 is T2 (2nd building), so it can be built fairly
 rapidly, at the same time as T34/76 becomes available...

 It's an armored marder that comes out a lot sooner.
 At least Marder3 is 3 steps before you can make it.
 This puppy is 2 steps AND it's better.

 - I did mean in game
 
 As for the StuG, it's 3-4 steps.
 Building 1, HQ tech1, HQ tech2, Building 3, make Stug
 (vet 0)

[Sparta955]

ahhhh that does indeed make sense, my misunderstanding.

[Loupblanc]

 If I was going to exagerate, and I love doing that,
 I'd say that me taking out Tiger first when opponent just
 brought out his first Jeep.... well... No contest.

 Why use T34/76, then?

[BurroDiablo]

If you get behind the SU-85 though, it doesn't last very long. And it has no AP capibilities... so a few Shreck rounds will make it about turn and run away.

 Explains completely why the SU85 can eat Panthers for
 breakfast See, the SU85 is a Marder - with armor

In a 1 on 1 with a Panther, the SU-85 has no chance.

Cage should be on T34/76 damn it!

And 85mm. I thought so too, but Apex had other plans.

Why use T34/76, then?

Besides being cheaper, its an all round decent tank... decent AP, decent AT, good reload speed, goes like bat out of hell. Sure, it lacks in accuracy and range, but if you need some firepower to traverse a map pretty quickly, I can't think of anything better. Besides the 85mm variant of course.

[Loupblanc]

 - Holy Burrito :
 : AP Anti personnel? Yea, well, it's a Marder. With Armor
 : What is it's armor like? Like Sherman or M10?
 : What is it's cost and pop, then? Is it comparable to an
 M10? I think of it more as a Hetzer. Minus the machine gun.
 : Why won't Apex see to reason? Eh, easier to model, I guess?
 But T34 has no topside machine-gun. True, it'd be a bitch
 if it's got tank riders... the two models wouldn't like one
 another very much.

 Can you describe to me how tank rider call-in works?
 It's not an upgrade to guards?

 : Is the T34 more of an M10 with armor/AP abilities?
 What is it's health/armor/cost/pop like? What do you
 think of my T34 call-in feature?
 Well, yes, besides the 85mm version of course
 
 : Does the T34/85 make SU85 obsolete?

[WartyX]

Tank Riders are called in like any other Doctrine Unit (Tank Guards riding a special T34, who can then be 'unloaded'). We have to use a special sort of tank and a special sort of guards to make it work.