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Offline HawkeyeTAC

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Axis vs Russians and others
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:44:54 AM »
First of all, I would like to make it a point that if any immature arguments or flamebait appears in this topic, it will be dealt with swiftly.


Now then, I'm here to talk to you chaps about containing the Russian menace in the early game, and cleaning them out in the mid to late game, starting with the PE.

I play Panzer Elite in support of a Wehr player normally in this mod, due to the fact that the PE are mobile enough to counter the large amount of conscripts that can be fielded early game, and if you can hold them at 50% or less map control early on you will have a decisive advantage later on.

PzGrens are very effective against all types of Soviet infantry, and with an infantry half track (and ideally a mortar half track) you can generally control the Soviets in your sector. Make it a point to make 1 inf half track for every 3 or 4 pgren squads and keep it on the frontline, to reinforce your grens in mid combat.

Marders are also your best friend when it comes to tanks. Two marders on lockdown with a tank buster squad or two will wreck an upwards of 4 or 5 T34s with minimal friendly casualties.

Inf halftracks when in support of infantry can also deprive the Soviets of what I like to call the bane of the PEs existence, the officer arty barrage. The second you see that smoke come down, jump your grens into the half track and just go forward. You'll be out of the blast radius unless you got unlucky. Even if it seems like a counter productive idea to go forward, just do it. Generally you'll catch the very start of the barrage but it won't kill your guys because the HT doesn't have to turn around or back up at a slower speed.

Now, onto the Wehr.

I don't play the wehr very much in any mod, because I prefer a large amount of somewhat effective units as opposed to a small cadre of very effective ones, however in my games I've seen some particular things that can cause the Ruskies some serious pain.

The single most effective thing I've seen a Wehr player do to a Soviet is about 3 or 4 stukas barraging a target. It is pretty much guaranteed to rip anything to shreds short of an IS2, and is mobile enough to be hard to catch if you are careful with them. Another thing is to make absolutely sure you keep MGs, and support them with at least a volks squad. Even if you are fighting a command squad, an MG and a volks squad(or two. Or three. Or four) will fend off conscripts and to an extent strelkys for a good while. Combine this with a mortar for even better effectiveness.

Now! Dealing with Russian armor as the Wehr.

You can't rely on single tanks to do the damage you need, because the Russians will have more. Gone are the days of single heroic paks as well, because the Russians do not fear machine gun suppression by going after it. Instead, you have to bring your paks and tanks up to the front, supported by a group of infantry that should be specialized depending on what your Russian friend has been doing throughout the game.

Has he been arty heavy? Go light on support and be careful with inf. It'll just get wasted otherwise.

Infantry heavy? Use LMG grens and KCH backed by an Ost, a Puma or a couple MGs.

Tanks? Support your armor with shrecks with LMGs assisting and a pak sitting behind the tank column to get shots on any flanking T34s or other tanks.

You can't fight offensively against Russian armor in a blitzkrieg style. You have to take it slow, fighting up and making them pull back to regroup or wiping them out entirely and then staying back to fix your more expensive equipment up. Keep a halftrack near the front to reinforce your units. It's much quicker that way.

I probably missed a -lot- of useful tips, which is why I ask anyone who reads to put their ideas in as well. If anyone has any criticism, I respectfully ask you do it in good taste, and not be too aggressive in doing so.

Offline Toorstain

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Re: Axis vs Russians and others
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 03:28:24 AM »
For once, luftwaffe infantry really kicks ass! 8)
fight conscripts to lvl them up and than they are good fighters who can kill even guards, at least if they fight alongside pzgrens.

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Re: Axis vs Russians and others
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 07:45:15 AM »
The PE Luftwaffe tactic gices you the Fallschrijager, so put them in a building behind enemy lines and capture their oil or ammo. The Russians must not be able to amass T-34/85 or NKVD Conscripts. Those two combined will defeat even the best players. Now, Scorched earth might due some good, due to their Hummels, but rely on the roadblocks to prevent a tank rush, and repair the blocks as much as you can.
No one can stop the German panzer divisions.