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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2010, 10:48:43 PM »
For a usual unit, the tiger has simply too much power in my eyes.
Usual unit?
800MP 180Fuel 90secs is not a usual price.
SU-85, SU-100 ISU-152 and IS-2 can get dmg bonus vs Tiger armor. Im not saing they need it becouse Ostheer Tiger will be vet 0.
Hope both SU will also get +50HP.

Everyone should remember that PE Panthers cost only 500MP per 1 tank becouse they are vet0. They also have better frontal armor than Tigers! (unless tigers are vet3)
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2010, 11:48:19 PM »
i think buildable tiger tank should be, but when doctrinal then with limit of 2 or 3 tanks on the battlefield...to have one tiger tank is some kind boring... :)

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2010, 04:09:38 AM »
More is not always better. Its great when you're the one who has them, but not so fun when you're the one staring down the barrel! Having multiple juggernauts of death and destruction would ruin the game.
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #123 on: June 29, 2010, 05:18:27 AM »
I think that Tiger call-in could work, as PE calls panther battlegroup ostheer would have it's tiger gruppen. It's up to devs if there will be one or two tigers.
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #124 on: June 29, 2010, 08:32:10 PM »
For a usual unit, the tiger has simply too much power in my eyes.
Usual unit?
800MP 180Fuel 90secs is not a usual price.


well its still usually buildable.
To make the tiger rarity at actually was (also taking balance into account)  should be picked in a doctrine.

Making it super expensive is just lame.


A good price for a tiger could than be 700MP 155Fuel and 80 seconds building time.

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #125 on: June 29, 2010, 08:51:42 PM »
For a usual unit, the tiger has simply too much power in my eyes.
Usual unit?
800MP 180Fuel 90secs is not a usual price.
well its still usually buildable.
To make the tiger rarity at actually was (also taking balance into account)  should be picked in a doctrine.

Making it super expensive is just lame.

A good price for a tiger could than be 700MP 155Fuel and 80 seconds building time.
To me doctrinal Tigers are lame.
It would be a 3rd doctrinal Tiger.

There will probaly be an Elephant call-in in a tank doctrine. This would make this doctrine OP compared to other Ostheer doctrines... unless someone wants a 3rd doctrinal 88.

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #126 on: June 29, 2010, 09:02:40 PM »
To me doctrinal Tigers are lame.
It would be a 3rd doctrinal Tiger.


but tiger and K tiger is different, so it will be 2nd doctrinal classic tiger...

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2010, 09:24:15 PM »
To me doctrinal Tigers are lame.
It would be a 3rd doctrinal Tiger.


but tiger and K tiger is different, so it will be 2nd doctrinal classic tiger...

right.

and it would also not be a classic doctrinal tiger, since it would just make the tiger buildable - it wouldnt be a classificial call-in.
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #128 on: June 29, 2010, 10:25:24 PM »
To me doctrinal Tigers are lame.
It would be a 3rd doctrinal Tiger.


but tiger and K tiger is different, so it will be 2nd doctrinal classic tiger...

right.

and it would also not be a classic doctrinal tiger, since it would just make the tiger buildable - it would be a classificial call-in.
Who cares about some made up classification.
The real question is:
Will Tiger I be doctrinal like a wehrmacht or will it be an original becouse its non docrinal.

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #129 on: June 30, 2010, 02:25:30 PM »
Who cares about some made up classification.
The real question is:
Will Tiger I be doctrinal like a wehrmacht or will it be an original becouse its non docrinal.

Almost everybody does Paciat :P
And there is nothing which makes the tiger original if you pick it right into the usual faction. The only original feature about this idea is the bad balance.


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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #130 on: June 30, 2010, 02:29:48 PM »
I'd like to point out that if you made the Tiger non-doctrinal for the Ostheer, the only reason left to pick Blitz is stormies. Everything else is either shit or is in another, better doctrine.
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #131 on: June 30, 2010, 05:16:18 PM »
More is not always better. Its great when you're the one who has them, but not so fun when you're the one staring down the barrel! Having multiple juggernauts of death and destruction would ruin the game.
keep in mind that a few *Unlimited* IS-2's can take on a tiger .
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #132 on: June 30, 2010, 06:56:06 PM »
Almost everybody does Paciat :P
And there is nothing which makes the tiger original if you pick it right into the usual faction. The only original feature about this idea is the bad balance.
Theres nothing original about a doctrinal Tiger.
Having doctrinal Tigers but not having any other heavy tanks (unless you want a 3rd Panther witch isnt original) is what I call bad doctrine balance.

Without vet and without ninja PAKs, Ostwinds and Panthers supporting one on the field Tiger will not unballance the game.
2 T-34/85 (160Fuel) or 2 SU-100 (170Fuel) or 2 M-10s (maybe even 1) or a Cromwell and a Firefly (170Fuel) are enough to destroy it.

There could be an economic MP income nerf (like when calling KT or Jagdpanther but not as strong) everytime a Tiger is build.

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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #133 on: June 30, 2010, 07:16:56 PM »
I think it's alright to have a non-doctrinal tiger for the Ostheer but then the Blitz tiger absolutely MUST be changed into the ace in that case. Otherwise there is simply no good reason to go Blitz. I think the Ostheer T4 tank roster should be made up of panzer 3, panther and tiger. Panzer 3 being quite good against infantry and marginal against tanks, panther being the AT specialist and tiger being the heavy generalist tank.
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Re: Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys
« Reply #134 on: June 30, 2010, 08:00:36 PM »
What if we don't use the panther. That would justify building several Tigers.

A Panzer III early makes them Ostheer good in early game, but when T34s comes out, the Ostheer lose its momentum and must get late game Tigers. (Maybe an upgrade that replaces the option to build Panzer III with Panzer IV (Like the T34/85 upgrade).

But if you can have both Panthers and Tigers non-doctrinal it would be unbalanced. But if you keep the gap that the Panther leaves behind, I think that would justify Tigers.