Axis Non-German Troops

[SauerKRAUT]

Finns trump all. Their decoy, ambush, divide, and destroy tactics were amazing even with inferior or scarce equipment. In one ambush operation the Finns wiped out nearly 2 whole divisions, totaling 9000 soviet casualties, while only suffering only 400 HUNDRED themselves and captured a bunch of equipment include some KV-1's.

Two things about the Finns however. They fought almost completely isolated from the Germans (well Brits and Americans are in the USSR right?) and in a way were not a axis power, the Russians made them fight in defense of Stalin's land grabbing. Even the Americans and Brits were contemplating sending the Finns aid, maybe even troops, but they did not really need another enemy and Stalin kept more than half of Germany's army a wee bit occupied for them.

Finland does not have many unique units or abilities I can think of though besides ambush or determination, maybe there could be a "Allied Nation" doctrine with a combo of most of the above mentioned in abilities somehow.

[250.Inf. Div.]

Well. I havent said that u cant make a "axis-eastern front"
faction but i think it is absolutely needless to "push up" a
german Ostheer with other axis nations.

So my opinion:
No mixed german Ostheer.
When an Ostheer then just a german Ostheer
OR a "axis" easter front amry with german support
( but then germans are quiet rare ).

but the ostherr went mixed army  a example
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4971/capturada99999.jpg

from left to right:

ss 2nd brigade---germans
250 WH division--spanish
ss units----------estonian
212 WH DIVISION-germans
etc...
a idea only add allieds inside the german army or ss.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well. CoH dont simulate "Divisions" on battlefields.
Maps arent so hugh.
Real war is real different from CoH war and
gameplay is something different from real combat.
And unit names are a tribute to the history and
history is no tribute for a pc game

I think an Ostheer should be in first line a GERMAN army because they were the invaders, the ideological invaders. Other nations were "support" and so u should handle it at CoH.

[PSIHOPAT]

Collection of photography

Romanian Army in WW II
Romanian Army in WW II

Romanian Armed Forces on the Eastern Front 1941-43

This words are well written in the brains of the most romanians.

Nothing in the world's holiest and most beautiful on this earth than to die like a warrior wrapped in the tricolor(national flag).

[SauerKRAUT]

The Panzer Elite are kinda supposed to be the SS. I am guessing Relic sees it as kinda politically incorrect to have a game where you could play as such an ethically infamous force.

[guynumber7]

Anyone played mEn of war red tide? its all about russia balck sea marines versus romanians. The black sea was a bigger theatre then anyone remembers and had lots of romanians righting.

[TheReaper]

u guys know when both Hungarian panzer-divisions saw first combat? End 1943 when russian forces came closer to Hungarian - before this date most of the "axis"tanks were used against partisans or in a very very small number as "alert"-unit.

Well, in 1942 Jun. 28 the 2. Hungarian army braked through Field Marshall Rokosszovszkij's lines (with German support). That was the Weichs Battlegroup. If you have in mind that the Hungarian tank battalions begun to form up from 1938, probably there was a few tanks in the Hungarian Royal Army. lol I didn't got proper numbers, but it is hard to believe non of these tanks saw the eastern front.
I wanted to give the developers some idea, having any of those nationalist bulls*t away, because its not a political topic, and it is really sad that I have to argue with nationalist freaks. Its boring. I have a lot of things in my mind but it's really off topic.
So, yeah you can copy-paste units from Coh, but it would be a disappointment after the Soviet faction. It's you're mod guys... Anyways I wish you the best and don't let me down. Make the Ostheer as good as the Soviets.

God be with you.

[loran korn]

"Hungarian, Bulgarian and Romanian troops where the main reason of the defeat in Stalingrad."
@shalar
The Royal Hungarian 2nd Army was stationed at the Curve of the Don river and although it lacked the manpower and heavy weapons it was ordered to defend a stretch of MLR that soldiers were stationed 50 yards from one another to cover the total lenght. Kampfgruppe Kramer held command of the limited Hungarian armour and even the Hungarian tanks could not enter the battle when the Kampfgruppe turned around and executed a withdraw. Those tankers watched their countrymen get decimated and could not, under order, help them. The Hungarian high command protested how the Hungarian winter clothing and food, ammo and medical supplies didnt even reach the front line as the Germans held it back as they suspected the thin MLR will be overrun.
The Russian attacked on that particular section because they knew the Hungarians were over committed and the Germans have no intention of throowing their armour in the battle despite promises made by the German high command.
In spite of all this the Hungarians held the line for days and even pushed back the Russians several times. Villages in the sector were re-occupied and the line was strenghtened in the belief that Kampfgruppe Kramer will arrive. The losses exceeded 50%, in some areas all Hungarians died in division force on the ground they were designated to defend.
Then they pulled back and fought their way all they to the Transylvanian border and then into Hungary covering thousands of kilometres. In the process they destroyed more then 400 Russian tanks and stopped the Russian tzunami twice.
In access of 800 000 Hungarians died in all this. Among them my grandfather.
How can you say that Hungarians are to blame in any degree for the disaster of Stalingrad? I have never heard such disrespectful statement. I suggest you look for the real reasons: attacking Stalingrad was the cause of the disaster. Ordering the 6th Army to stay put was the cause of the disaster. Believing Goring that he will save the situation was the cause of the disaster. And I could go on and on.
But stating in confidence that the Hungarians are to be blamed whereas they fought and held the line for days with no winter clothing, no food or ammo, no medical supplies, ill-equipped with light infantry forces against Russian Tank divisions in winter clothing, well-fed and resupplied with heavy arti support, is criminal!
Shame on you!

[Paciat]

Finns trump all. Their decoy, ambush, divide, and destroy tactics were amazing even with inferior or scarce equipment.

Think about balance for once not about elite units.

Even the Americans and Brits were contemplating sending the Finns aid, maybe even troops.

It was in 1939-1940 when III Reich and USRR were allies!

[PSIHOPAT]

The most catastrophic allied for Germany was Italy.
Their force was large,but combat skill...terrible...with some exceptions...
About Hungary...what i can say...they was beaten in history even by romanian womens when they attempting to invade transilvania.
Their population was and is less then half compared with Romania.Any comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.


Hey bozgor asculta asta
"end of romania" raspuns pt.bozgori

[GamblerSK]

Their population was and is less then half compared with Romania.Any comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.

have a lot of men ready to die is fine but you need a good equipment if you want to be effective, fact that Romania had a lot of people is one thing but without good weapons and strategy that works you cant win, defending homeland you know is another thing...

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Any comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.

History confirmed nothing between the nations
Or better; your view of history is "very short" because
Hungary was an old and strong "nation/state" ( think of the "great equestrian people - the Magyars" ).

And during ww2 hungarian forces are still interesting because of their own tanks ( Turan, Toldi, and so on ).
Romanies were "interesting" for infantry support.
And so here is my favorite problem of CoH: not so much missions for infantry -> long range, short range, suppressing, anti tank and scout.

At the end i wont belittle some of this nations but for CoH i think they werent so good to represent any "main function".
Perhaps a support role in a GERMAN Ostheer but no "key element".

[PSIHOPAT]

I think if all three doctrine represent three allied countries,and unlocking specific units would be interesting.

Or at last one unit from every doctrine(unique),and another from buildings.

P.S. maybe is good to put just hungarians in Osther,because i want to kill some.GOD I HATE THEM!!!Romanians are friendly people and this is the reason why allot people from many countries has settled here living peacefully,but this "nation" always attempt to make troubles.They love nothing than himself and hostility is all what they know.In short time in the future,they will have a "little surprise".I can't wait that
Siege of Budapest - Romanian Army vs German Army

The Battle Of Budapest 1944 - Waffen SS vs Romanian Army

[250.Inf. Div.]

please dont add traitor allieds,countries that declared war on Germany:italy,romania,ect...,i prefere only german osther or ss volunters,countries traitors who did more harm than good.

[GamblerSK]

i think its more problem of the government and political situation which makes "bad air" almost today we have a lot of Magyar people in our south side of the country and their most normal but the impulsive factor is from the politics and the nationalist movements such as jobbik...