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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2010, 11:17:40 AM »
Romania is the perfect example why WW2 cannot be interpreted without knowing WW1. In WW1 Romania teamed up with the winners (ANTANT) and took huge chunks away from neighboring countries without contributing to the victory itself. Got Transylvania from Hungary with 3 million Hungarians and only entered WW2 to be able to keep this territory because Hungary was about march thru alongside the Germans. Just twenty years earlier the Romanians were fighting against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians then switched sides to be with the appearant winners of the new world war. Turning on its former allies the French and British - the very states that rewarded Romania with huge territories. Opportunisticly I might add. The German only needed a former enemy because of the oil fields of Romania and a buffer zone between The Reich and Bolsevism. Romania did not fight against Bolsevism, Romania entered the war to sit at the table after the war and enjoy rewards again for no significant contribution in the war effort itself. Again.
Then, when things went bad and Germany was losing the grip on the war Romania figured the winners are on the other side. So backstabbed its allie Germany. Are you counting? Switching side for the third time in only three decades. Fought WITH the Bolsevists because the Romanians always wanted to end the war on the winner's side for possible rewards. Then re-occupied Transylvania once more and took it from Hungary once again with all its Hungarian population just to mistreat those people for decades to come.
Are you serious about including such a country portrayed and giving it a role? In what? Backstabbing?
Psyhopat, stop your crap about Romania's heroism! The Romanian army did not have a single achivement during either wars other then trying to make friends with the winners all the time. No principals, no real goals, no belief, no sense of partnership and no backbone to stick to its allies ever. Just the greed to take something it couldnt alone.
I am sick and tired of this horseshit about the might of Romania. Face it, your country (not you) was a backstabbing traitor, swinging from left-to right-to left again- to right again just to end the war on the winners' side. That does not deserve portraying!
The Hungarians could not make a significant contribution but at least remained allies to the very bitter end and refused the Russian offer "to end the war now, backstab the Germans" while their country was all but destroyed by the very force offered to end their suffering.
I dont care which country is gonna be given any role in Ostheer, i dont care if its the Romanians but pls Psyhopat stop blabbing about how great a country and allie Romania was and how it must be portrayed because I dont think the 2d artist on the EF team has enough resources to remake the flag every time the Romanians decide to switch sides during the play.

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #76 on: February 28, 2010, 11:33:00 AM »
Romania offered enormous help to Germany and is not his fault for defeat of Germany.Germany himself has chosen his allies(others).Idiotic strategies and courage of the chickens has bring the consequences(see how hungarians was encircled and destroyed and italians made pilaff).The Germans was confident in romanians bringing them where other was incapable,but the size of the front covered was too much for his strength in that area.In their arrogance german generals was ignored signal of alarm given by the romanian generals,and later the result has prove right what romanians  was predicted.

Decorations from generals are from battle,and don't compare them with the king who obtained his medal for betray.

Romanian king was a fool in WW2 spearing Hungary.In that time was the moment to raze Hungary from the map of the world once and for all.All hungarians must say them thx and bring flowers at his grave.

Also disinformations are always the weapon used often by hungarians,and i confess => i hate them for that

Romania has switch the side at the end of the war(more than 80% of battle was against russia),and about that i told what was necessary to be told.

This mod is about war on the Eastern Front,and Romania was against Russia all the time there.

Clear ?

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #77 on: February 28, 2010, 01:01:39 PM »
You making your country what it isn't, even in the history Romania never was an expansive nation almost only defending their homeland so stop talking this bullsh*t even today is one of the poorest countries from Europe and the ww2 shows how Romania was scared from germany and turn on their side so no patriotism no honor as your saying so stop that! Polish soldiers was more brave they stand against enemy and fight him even if they know they cant win that's heroism and not what Romania did!

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #78 on: February 28, 2010, 01:15:24 PM »
Polish are famous for one fact happened in WW2 =>has send against german tank division their famous cavalry armed with old fashioned lance from WW1 and Short-bore rifle.They thought about german tanks to be made by cartoon,but unfortunately was not.Imagine the fun of the german tank crew when they saw this "brave attack".Also imagine the shock of the cavalry when they managed to hit tanks with the lance.Very funny i must say :)

Romania was able to destroy or rout all german forces from his territory without help from no one when he decided.Polish army was crushed in the blink of the eye. Romanians strike when they are sure about victory.If is necessary to be thrown in death 300.000 soldiers in one battle romanians do that without hesitation ONLY if the final result is victory on their side.

To be brave is different than to be fool.Many countries make mistakes in confusing this two different things.
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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #79 on: February 28, 2010, 01:34:12 PM »
again stupid nonsense

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Romania was able to destroy or rout all German forces from his territory without help from no one

Really? why it don't happends? that's lie if something like that happends Romania fall because they cant face the blitzkrieg France must surrender but they fight and their economy and army machinery was better then Romanian so what you want? your just saying your version wake up and start feeling things how they really are and not how you wanna see em...

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #80 on: February 28, 2010, 01:39:52 PM »
HEY!!!
Why all of you harass me ?

Only one thing is important for this mod : Romania has fought on the Germany side in Eastern Front ? The answer is yes.

So...
Let's stop other comentaries
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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #81 on: February 28, 2010, 01:46:09 PM »
Why? because you post some things which aren't as you saying...okey lets stop commentaries like this but you stop saying like Romania was the most powerfull germany allied and Romania was so important and germany couldn't face them and all the sh*t like this...

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #82 on: February 28, 2010, 01:51:18 PM »
Search yourself clues and than make comments.
Is more wise.

Also you have something against adding some romanian units for Ostheer ?
I have nothing against other units from other countries,because this things will make this new faction more interesting and unique from the old ones.

Romanian soldiers




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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #83 on: February 28, 2010, 01:56:29 PM »
no i don't have anything against adding new units, Axis units, non German units i wish Ostheer would be mix of German and axis troops and army machinery but that's upon the developers to choose and make so...
but that's something different of what we were talking about

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2010, 02:08:46 PM »
Suggestions for romanian units

Romanian Infantry



NCO with Berretta M38, officer with Baretta M34 and flamethrower



Tank killer with grenade bundle and sniper



LMG team: ZB30 with 2 man crew




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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2010, 02:09:37 PM »
Stop!

Stop to discuss about "romanian topic" without the CoH Linking!
We all know your position Psihopat!
We know your "patriotism".
We know that Romania had soldiers and weapons ect..
And so everything about the "historical" part is said by all of you. When u want to discuss about the "history of the state romania" please use the "offtopic"board!

I will delete any new post about the romanian topic which isnt productive for the CoH-Ostheer topic!

And be sure: The dev-team will think about the Ostheer and
 the team will decide about the Ostheer ;)
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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2010, 02:17:32 PM »
This topic is for non german units for Ostheer
It is ?

In the last two post i just posted some ideas about some non german units.
What is wrong in that ?

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2010, 05:34:48 PM »
You kinda just flooded your ideas over all 6 pages?
Thza Fox was here :P

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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2010, 06:37:42 PM »
Polish are famous for one fact happened in WW2 =>has send against german tank division their famous cavalry armed with old fashioned lance from WW1 and Short-bore rifle.They thought about german tanks to be made by cartoon,but unfortunately was not.Imagine the fun of the german tank crew when they saw this "brave attack".Also imagine the shock of the cavalry when they managed to hit tanks with the lance.Very funny i must say :)

Romania was able to destroy or rout all german forces from his territory without help from no one when he decided.Polish army was crushed in the blink of the eye. Romanians strike when they are sure about victory.If is necessary to be thrown in death 300.000 soldiers in one battle romanians do that without hesitation ONLY if the final result is victory on their side.

To be brave is different than to be fool.Many countries make mistakes in confusing this two different things.


lol,please read books and search real information this charge never existed is pure propaganda,read osprey or antony beevor books,the polish cavalary use at guns,rifles,machine guns and mortar,the spears only use in parades.



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Re: Axis Non-German Troops
« Reply #89 on: February 28, 2010, 09:34:32 PM »
I think the Royal Hungarian 2nd Army should be given support role in Ostheer. They did not achieve much either in offensive or defensive action (on tactical level yes, but not much strategically) after the Curve of the Don but were often used on rear guard role and flank support by the retreiving Germans and often received German tank support for that.
It should be interesting.
Portraying the Hungarians infantry is almost just a 2d job because their M35 helmet and long coats looked almost identical to the Germans' and their gear (gas mask cylinde, mess kit, ammo pouch) also looked close enough that only a skinning job would make regular German infantry look like Hungarian infantry pretty well as they looked IRL.
Although they had interesting tanks of which the Zrínyi assault gun was particularly successful, the army received German Marder IIs, Panzer IVs, and StuGs. It is also realistic to assign German panzer support just like it often happened.

Rifles: Steyr-Mannlicher, smgs: M39 or M44, lmg: Madsen or ZB26 are simple models to make for the infantry. They can use German mortars.

My point is, that with minimum input the Hungarian Army could be portrayed and since they were historical allies to the Axis in previous wars also and remained allied with the Germans literally to the last day of the fightings (in fact about 40 thousand Hungarian troops crossed to border to Austria to keep fighting even after Hungary was forced to sign its surrender), I think it would be an asset and historically correct. Its hard to imagine the Eastern Front without the Hungarian Army, although ill-equipped and with shortcomings. Of the total number of casualties of the Eastern Front hundreds of thousands were Hungarians.

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