Mr. Scruff's Creations

[Akalonor]

If ostheer receive Pz IV It'll be too bland -.- PE- Pz IV ,W-Pz IV ,O-Pz IV ? NO too much Pz IV!!

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

Buddy, the Panzer IV is and was literally the backbone of the Wehrmacht. Bland? What is this, summer fashion? We are trying to make a credible Ostheer here. Why you people are obsessed with the Panzer III, i'll never know. They need the Panzer IV in both the Ausf. F1 and the F2.

[Akalonor]

Do you want to give every allied faction M5 since it was used widely too ?

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

No, there were other methods of troops transport, ie Trucks, in the case of the Soviets, they need the M5.

There is a difference between something that was widely used, to something that was absolutely crucial. The Panzer IV was both these things. So, according to Akalonor's scale of blandness, Ostheer should not have either Panzer IVs or Panthers, since the PE and Wehr already have them. Wow, that leaves only super heavy tanks, tank destroyers, and ofcourse the................. P4NZ3R 3!!!1!................

[Akalonor]

pfft of course not the Panzer 3 or 1, I vote for
 FLAMMpanzer Ausf. M  

 By the way I'm okay with Panthers

I just hate how AI/Humans spam Panzer IV's you people don't know how hypocritical you really are.

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

pfft of course not the Panzer 3 or 1, I vote for
 FLAMMpanzer Ausf. M  

 By the way I'm okay with Panthers

I just hate how AI/Humans spam Panzer IV's you people don't know how hypocritical you really are.

How am I being hypocritical?

[Akalonor]

did I specify ? No , It's just that everyone is always whining about people spamming certain new possibility tanks but really they enforce it by giving Germans THE SAME CHEAP STUFF

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

All I want is an end product of an Ostheer that feels like Ostheer. Without a Panzer IV I do not see how it will be so.

It would be like the creators behind Call of Duty: World at War to saying "Hmm, the Thompson has appeared in so many games up until now, let's add the M3 Grease Gun instead.". No one is arguing with the fact that the M3 was a valuable, servicable submachine-gun, but the point is, you cannot create a game that depicts US Marines in WWII and not include the Thompson SMG. Same rules apply for the Panzer IV for the East Army.

[Paciat]

Buddy, the Panzer IV is and was literally the backbone of the Wehrmacht. Bland? What is this, summer fashion? We are trying to make a credible Ostheer here. Why you people are obsessed with the Panzer III, i'll never know. They need the Panzer IV in both the Ausf. F1 and the F2.

StugIII was as important to III reich as the PzIV. Wehrmacht has only StuIV, PE has nothing (exept hetzers).
Commonwealth was no regural Shermans etc.

"People are obsessed with the Panzer III" becouse there is no PzIII, while 5800 were build!
Eveyone wants a new unit that is fast and armed enough to be good vs infantry and light tanks (faster and better AT gun than stubby but 100 HP less). Another PzIV that is compareble with cromwell/sherman would be just borring.

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

Buddy, the Panzer IV is and was literally the backbone of the Wehrmacht. Bland? What is this, summer fashion? We are trying to make a credible Ostheer here. Why you people are obsessed with the Panzer III, i'll never know. They need the Panzer IV in both the Ausf. F1 and the F2.

StugIII was as important to III reich as the PzIV. Wehrmacht has only StuIV, PE has nothing (exept hetzers).
Commonwealth was no regural Shermans etc.

"People are obsessed with the Panzer III" becouse there is no PzIII, while 9400 were build!
Eveyone wants a new unit that is fast and armed enough to be good vs infantry and light tanks (faster and better AT gun than stubby but 100 HP less). Another PzIV that is compareble with cromwell/sherman would be just borring.

5800 actual Panzer IIIs were built. Being better at AT than the Panzer IV F1 isn't saying much, the Panzer III still was outclassed as soon as it crossed over the border. The Panzer IV on the other had was still a reliable design up to the last days of the war. I won't argue with, and I don't care what you might think is "boring". That is the most absurd argument I have ever heard on these forums(I don't like the Panzer IV because it is boring). If that is how simple minded you people are, in a few months you'll be bored of the T-34 too.

If you honestly think the Panzer III contributed more to the German war effort in Russia than the Panzer IV, I won't even argue with you. I've wasted enough sense and time on this subject.

[Paciat]

5800 actual Panzer IIIs were built. Being better at AT than the Panzer IV F1 isn't saying much, the Panzer III still was outclassed as soon as it crossed over the border. The Panzer IV on the other had was still a reliable design up to the last days of the war. I won't argue with, and I don't care what you might think is "boring". That is the most absurd argument I have ever heard on these forums(I don't like the Panzer IV because it is boring). If that is how simple minded you people are, in a few months you'll be bored of the T-34 too.

If you honestly think the Panzer III contributed more to the German war effort in Russia than the Panzer IV, I won't even argue with you. I've wasted enough sense and time on this subject.

Sorry about the wrong numbers about PzIII. Polish wikipedia said only how many stugs were build but nothing about the real tanks. I saw "9400 were build" copy, paste...

If 3 allied fractions had T-34 I would be bored wit it too. Thats why I dont want a UK short barreled or Soviet Lend-Lease Sherman.

Panzer III didnt contributed more to the German war effort in Russia than the Panzer IV.
StugIV didnt contributed more to the German war effort in Russia than the StugIII.
Cromwell didnt contributed more to the UK war effort in Europe than the short barreled Sherman.
But making a UK short barreled sherman that can be upgunned with a 17lbs would be boring too.

The reason COH is fun is becouse different armies have different units but all armies are balanced.
Balance and being unique comes first. History is second.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Just a small note;
When i'm informed right then Panzer III was able with 5cm KwK L/60 to destroy armor from 57mm ( Panzergranate ) to 79mm ( Panzergranate 40 ) in a rang of 500m. The T-34 tank model 1943 hat a front armor of 45mm ( 30° ). The typical fight distance between tanks was around 400-500m. So i'm no engineer but think that Panzer III was able to knock out T-34
History confirmed this from 1942 till 1945 because Panzer III destroyed a high number of T-34.
Other point; in 1940 Soviet Union got a number of german Panzer III for the Molotow-Ribbentrop-deal. The red army inspected this german Panzer III and had following results in conclusion with T-34:
The Pz III was better then T-34 ( Prototypes ). Technique was more difficult then T-34 but was better to repair/ to service ( especially for the crew because of a number of on bord tools ). PzIII had more space for the crew inside.
PzIII had radio foor easy communication. The view out of PzIII was much better then out of T-34.
All in all red army thought that Pz III was a problematical enemy for its tank forces.
[ my note: and the 5 men crew of the german Panzer forces with a tank commander who observed the battlefield was one the biggest advantage of german tanks in conclusion with red armor ]

All in all i wouldnt say that Pz III was "outclassed"
The tank was quiet different from the T-34 and both tanks used other battle tactics. All in all Panzer III was a
acceptable medium tank which was able to destroy enemy's tanks

BUT this is all offtopic because the threadsd starts with question about MrScruffs models and for this point i want to add that when i'm informed right Elefant wasnt Scruff's model and Jagdtiger is used by different mods already.

[irik]

which mods use Jagdtiger then? I want to use it!!!!!!

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Think  that Blitzkrieg Mod and Heeresgruppe Nord Mod use this tank ( german mods ).

[Akalonor]

I've never heard of the Heeresgruppe Nord mod, explain now please!