Unit - Reward suggestions thread:

[HyperSniper999]

You mean, with exactly the same abilities, but just a different skin ?

Basicly, with maybe some special features the guards don't have, but then they wouldn't have all of the guards' abillities.

[Red_Stinger]

In january/february we talked about soviet airborne troops, but no one seem to look forward for them.

Soviet were the first, with Italians, to develop the concept of airborne troops.In WW2 they use them to reinforce partisans in Belarus and Ukraine with their experience and weapons. Due to the lack of research about airborne assault ( thanks to stalin and his purges... ) most of the soviet big air operations fail, but paratroopers who were infiltrate behind nazi's lines were very efficient and deadly!

What about a reward unit for partisans? It could be a smaller squad, but composed of elite troops, with full PPSH and satchel charge ( or demo charge ). They would be able to infiltrate the battlefield just like partisans and fallschirmjager.

[Soldie]

Hello, What do you think about the Soviet T-35 as an analogue of "Tiger II"? It can be added to the tank as a branch of the mobile fortress for 8-10 team points. This: newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-35 [nonactive]
Sorry for the clumsy language.

[Newbie.]

I don't think the T35 would come as close as the Tiger II... Even IS2 Tanks feared coming up n' personal with a Tiger II... They're hard. Last British Leval is a example of the Tiger II... Commando's fail at it, M7's can't let a lock on it, and Churchill's are damaging, but can't go 1-2-1 [haven't trided ARVE] and it';s near inpossible to hit them with a 25 Pdr or 17Pdr. So really, i'd say if we included the IS3 as a reward unit that'd be more suitable, Probs T35 as replacement for the KV.

[neosdark]

I don't know if this taken was brought up before but perhaps the T-44 tank could be a good reward unit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-44,

It had the same gun as the T-34/85 and better armor. If we would replace something with it i would say the T-34/85, LL Sherman, or the IS-2

If it replaces the T-34/85 upgrade- It would have slightly less range, but more armor for Breakthrough Ops.

LL Sherman replacement-  it would be more powerful gun wise and armor wise, but would come after the Mechs, perhaps cost 1 more CP and at minimum an increase of 100 manpower to the cost.

IS-2 replacement- Less armor and less power, but slightly longer range, faster speed, lower cost and pop. They are still accesed in the same way (by getting both tank upgrades as i believe the new patch will make that the requirement), but have a much more versitile role then the giant behemoths and can defeat Panthers by flanking and supporting their T-34 cousins.

As for the IS-3, it never saw combat anywhere on the Eastern Front, but were present at the Victory Parade. They didn't reach the Front quite fast enough (they were present on the attack against the Japanese in Manchuria, but the Japs ain't involved in this mod so we ain't adding it)

Now the T-35 is something that will be slightly too hard to include into this kind of game, too big, too slow, and too easy to blow to chunks. Its more like a weak King Tiger and im damn sure that nobody wants something that a PE player can destroy with 1 Marder or 2 PGs w/ PzSchrecks. Hell, all i need is 3 PGs and those AT-nades cause thats all i need to kill that box on treads.

[Newbie.]

heh, dunno if this'd work, but could we have a 'Reward Doctrine Ablity'?

I'm thinking Yak-9 to replace the IL-2, basiccly Anti-Infantry instead of Anti-Tank xD.

[Akalonor]

Must I say it? T-28 !, T-28 ! T-28 FTW !

[Red_Stinger]

T44 look like a very good idea for unit reward!! I think it should replace LL sherman in breakthrough doctrine, not the IS2 which is a heavy tank.

IS3 is a good idea too, I think it should replace the ISU152, but would be, like KT, available once. Also who care about historical accuracy? Pershing have seen combat by the end of the war, and you can use it in Normandy!

T-35 and T-28 arent good unit reward: they were crap tank, and were only used in the first stage of the war.

[neosdark]

Stinger, the Pershing as you said saw combat (however limited) on the Western Front. The IS-3 saw NO combat on the Eastern Front whatsoever. It was to late by about a few days to participate on the attack on the Reichstag. The Pershing did see combat against Panthers and Tigers as well as against German infantry. So while it had a limited role it was there. The IS-3 wasn't so you can't include it whatsoever. It wouldn't represent the Whole Eastern front anyway (unlike the IS-2 which was very important on it). So yea....

[Red_Stinger]

Pershing was engaged in 1945, and never saw combat in Normandy, and you can use it, because its fun to have a good tank in america side!
IS3 have never seen combat in european front as you said, but again "who care about historical accuracy?". It's a great tank which can beat even Tiger 2. That's why it would be fun to have it!

[PoldekPL]

But here's one big problem. Pershing was used on WWII (from what i remeber, 13 were sent to Europe, and one was took down by 88). IS-3 WASN'T.

[Akalonor]

Well if the IS-3 isn't used what will the soviets have ? the IS-2 can be killed easily . the Americans have the Pershing , the Germans both the Tiger 1 & 2 , the Brits have Churchills and the Firefly(the Firefly has the best gun in game IMO ) so I think for the sake of it the Soviets should get the IS-3.
But what do the devs think of this ?

[HyperSniper999]

I've seen the Pershing that was the only one to cross the bridge at Niegmegan (sp?), I think.

It could've been another bridge in another city, but it was in Market Garden.

[Newbie.]

i think that was the M26 Super Pershing.. Not sure, was only used in OMG... And still, used twice, once knocking out a Tiger II and once with a Panther.

[HyperSniper999]

i think that was the M26 Super Pershing.. Not sure, was only used in OMG... And still, used twice, once knocking out a Tiger II and once with a Panther.

Nah, that tank looked "normal" to me, but it was one of the first 20 to arrive in Europe and must've been lucky enough to dodge all the panzershrecks and Flak 88's.

Edit: Just looked it up, the "Super" Pershing was the basicly the same as the "normal" Pershing. Wikki says it sucked, but it couldn'tve of if it survived being destroyed trying to get across the Rhine. And it says the Pershings only arrived for the Bulge.