ostheer medium tanks

[Blackbishop]

Please dont do a recoverer, remeber what happend with the soveits?

Theres already a german recoverer, that should be pe's thing.

+1
It was great when mechanics could recover a wreck, they just done it too quickly.

+1
If Ostheer would have a bergetiger like vehicle, nobody will use PE , so... I'm against it .

[Killar]

- sdkfz. 231 as an early recon vehicle
   -> and as reward unit the panzer II Ausf. F "Luchs"

that fits so great!!

Sdkfz. 231: fast, weak armor
Luchs: Slower, but better armor

Armament would be the same the 2-cm-KwK

[javy52]

whatever medium tank we get it needs to be able to stand up against the t-34 both early and late game because im tired of these bs russian tanks

[Newbie.]

whatever medium tank we get it needs to be able to stand up against the t-34 both early and late game because im tired of these bs russian tanks

That was a thing most Early-war panzers couldn't do. So, we make the PzIII/IV Avainable Earlier than the T-34 [Maybe T2 with a Fuel-Muntion upgrade to make them?] Late game won't be a problem, Panthers, Tigers, Elefant will stand up to the T-34/85, until they get IS'2.

[javy52]

whatever medium tank we get it needs to be able to stand up against the t-34 both early and late game because im tired of these bs russian tanks

That was a thing most Early-war panzers couldn't do. So, we make the PzIII/IV Avainable Earlier than the T-34 [Maybe T2 with a Fuel-Muntion upgrade to make them?] Late game won't be a problem, Panthers, Tigers, Elefant will stand up to the T-34/85, until they get IS'2.

bingo, i mean panzer IV does really well early to middle game and deal with inf well too but with the t34 upgrade it becomes a joke, with the wehrmact anyway, the panzer with the pe is a joke againt any tank

[Tico_1990]

bingo, i mean panzer IV does really well early to middle game and deal with inf well too but with the t34 upgrade it becomes a joke, with the wehrmact anyway, the panzer with the pe is a joke againt any tank

That is due to the fact that the Panzer IV of the PE is the anti infantry version. It is therefore more than logical that it fails against tanks.

Cheers

[PanzerWilly]

C'mon, I really hate to see another Panzer IV and Panther again! Its like having a different faction with the same combat docterine. Panzer III should be a teir 2.5 to tier 3.5 medium tank, it should be a little more expensive than StugIII, but fullfill the role of a mainstay tank, I know that despite its undergunned and underarmored, it was crewed by experience veterans who see combat as early as 1939, and it should have some unique and nasty ability to surprise the allies.
Panzer III can have a ability to use 80-90 munition of-Aim the turrent & tracks, give it the ability to stunt a tank(only tank) for a few seconds, either to bring it down or retreat, hitting a vehicle will do the same but waste the valueble munition. And the round do the same damage or slightly more powerful.
Or the Panzer III uses 50-60 munition for HEAT round, that can punch through armor of heavy tank, which may scare ally player to retreat their precious tank and thought, what the hell?!? But this meant that Panzer III WILL GO UP THE TIER and have face regular T-34 & Shermans. But having skills and ability to either retreat, ambush and breakthrough the frontline.
The Panzer III can fullfill what most tank lacks, surprise and shock tank, which can be a dangerous tank when combine with Werhmacht and Panzer Elite but a medicore tank which require more micromangement if use own its own. It maybe very much a game breaking tank if combine well with other faction, but its a concept, so forgive me to give a tank with such ability cause I hate to see a wonderful machine bacome a joke and laugh by the Yankees, TommieS & Ruskeis.

[Ryousan]

I think everybody agrees that the Panzer III shpuld included as the MBT of the Ostheer and kinda like the concept of Panzerwilly, give the the Panzer III some cool abilities and available earlier than the T-34.

The balance issue could fixed by including an buildable Uber Tank Destroyer and that way a Tank Destroyer plus Panzer III could easily overpower more advanced tanks such as the sherman and the T-34

 

[GamblerSK]

if Panzer III as a MBT then with Nashorn or something similar...

[Versedhorison]

if Panzer III as a MBT then with Nashorn or something similar...

+1. since panzer III has pretty much been confirmed but I reckon panthers or something simmilar should be in ostheer to deal with late game tanks.

[Ryousan]

panthers or something simmilar should be in ostheer to deal with late game tanks.

To be honest Im done with panthers for a while, we have plenty of them in both PE and Wehr. To deal with the IS-2 and Up-gunned T-34 I sugest ,as many people have already said, include the Nashorn (or similar Tank destroyer) and some sort of call in, like the one of the PE.

How about a Panzer IV Battlegroup Call In? You call in a group of three fully upgraded Panzer IV with schurzen, MG gunner and sorts.

I think the trick is try not to include the units that already have the Wehr and the PE, or least no make them buildable, that way the Ostheer becomes a more unique army and just a rip off of the other axis armies

[Akalonor]

why not the Panzer IV Ausf G ?

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Why a Pz IV Ausf. G 

The problem with the main battle tanks is that
PE and WE had already germanys best main battle tanks
at their unit pool.
Panzer III is the last tank left for this role and so i think
we should try to find a place for this medium tank.
And all in all i think Panzer III would fit perfect -
it could fight T-70 and T-90 and in groups the T-34 tanks.

The problem are the heavy tanks of the red army and for this job u need something heavier then Pz III.
But what for a tank?
Panther? Tiger? Nashorn?
All in all those 3 tanks would have a qualification to be part of the Ostheer because they were developed out of the impressions of the eastern front. They were designed to stop and destroy red tanks and they were symbols for the battle of the eastern front ( try to image a battle of Kursk WITHOUT Tiger or Panther!!! Impossible! ).

So...I think there is no chance to create a Ostheer with total new stuff. Think we will see some old tanks back in action But this isnt no problem out of my view.
When Ostheer game mechanic will be special and new anyone will cry when he saw one or two old friends back in action Right?

[GamblerSK]

i think the best way is to have new buildable units and the old one (panthers, tigers, panzer IV) call in as battlegroups

also some group zeal for especially Panzer III could be so that more PIII then they are better and can more easily deal with russian tanks

[Ryousan]

All in all those 3 tanks would have a qualification to be part of the Ostheer because they were developed out of the impressions of the eastern front. They were designed to stop and destroy red tanks and they were symbols for the battle of the eastern front ( try to image a battle of Kursk WITHOUT Tiger or Panther!!! Impossible! ).

So...I think there is no chance to create a Ostheer with total new stuff. Think we will see some old tanks back in action But this isnt no problem out of my view.

When Ostheer game mechanic will be special and new anyone will cry when he saw one or two old friends back in action Right?

True, but historical accuracy isnt a top matter when it comes to developing the actual faction. Besides the alternatives are either making battlegroups or doctrinal units out of these tanks, because we planety of them in the existing axis factions or not use them at all (which is impossible).

The top matter is to fill the gap of the Ostheer unit pool and make it as unique as possible which it is ,in my thoughts, as  important as creating an unique game mechanic for the OH.    PE and WH share units, yes, but they dont share buildable units and thats whats make them unique, I think it must be attempted to do the same for the Ostheer