Ostheer Update 6: Ostheer Army Troops

[IJoe]

All of the German Panzers rushed into battle had problems on debut. Afterwards most reliability problems were fixed but the leading cause of tiger deaths was either break downs or air attacks.

One should never underestimate/overestimate the properties of particular model of a tank.
As an example: there's a relatively large number of german tank aces compared to that of soviet, or allied moreover. Why is it? A dumb person would suggest, that germans were simply "better with tank training". However, this is absolutely untrue - when T-34s were a sort of "tigers" of the time (that would be 1941-42), there was a soviet tank ace, who scored over 50 german tanks (let alone ACs and the rest of 'em) in just two months.
So, surely german tanks were more viable, and yielded more firepower, but one should think of it that way: you can build ten good tanks, or two superb ones. What would you prefer? - This is all about balancing between production time + resource cost + upkeep and repair issues / battle effectiveness.

[Goober]

If that is the case, then have you ever heard of Otto Carius? His Tiger's went up against ISU-152s and IS-2s. Both of those have better armor, armament, and better engines. You cannot say that the tiger was "superior" in that instance. The crews though, yes.

[IJoe]

That's just ONE man, so it absolutely of no representative value at all, you know.
Besides, that's just late war looser-fascist propaganda, AFAIK. The only way he could do it in RL (if he ever actually did) is to destroy all those vehicles when those were out of battle stance (i.e. transported via railroad, on a platform, or something alike).

[Goober]

He was an example, and he's not the only one. There have been plenty of times when such things happened. And it is not propaganda. I read books written by soldiers and tankers who have seen it themselves. And the tanks that T-34 (w/50 kills) you mentioned was most likely battling tanks like the Panzer 38(t) and the like, which is nothing like a T-34 compared to a Tiger. If I am wrong in this(previous sentence) tell me.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

If that is the case, then have you ever heard of Otto Carius? His Tiger's went up against ISU-152s and IS-2s. Both of those have better armor, armament, and better engines. You cannot say that the tiger was "superior" in that instance. The crews though, yes.

When u would have read (or talk with) Otto Carius u could know that he had surprised this IS-2 and ISU-152 tanks They were part of the 1st russian tank brigade Josef Stalin. After destroying a StuG-Abteilung at a small town near Daugavpils (Dünaburg) the russian tank brigade make a rest. During this rest Carius and a second Tiger rushed in full speed into this town and destroyed IS-2 and other tanks by surprise and from very low distance. Some historians call this battle "Villers Bocage of the east". Carius got the knight cross for this action.
So it was a special situation u cant use for common battle situations ^^

But in fact we can discuss till doomsday here. Fact is - like Zerstörer said - its all irrelevant to the game 

[cephalos]

"Villers-Bocage of the East" - this is going to be my next map 

[Goober]

If that is the case, then have you ever heard of Otto Carius? His Tiger's went up against ISU-152s and IS-2s. Both of those have better armor, armament, and better engines. You cannot say that the tiger was "superior" in that instance. The crews though, yes.

When u would have read (or talk with) Otto Carius u could know that he had surprised this IS-2 and ISU-152 tanks They were part of the 1st russian tank brigade Josef Stalin. After destroying a StuG-Abteilung at a small town near Daugavpils (Dünaburg) the russian tank brigade make a rest. During this rest Carius and a second Tiger rushed in full speed into this town and destroyed IS-2 and other tanks by surprise and from very low distance. Some historians call this battle "Villers Bocage of the east". Carius got the knight cross for this action.
So it was a special situation u cant use for common battle situations ^^

But in fact we can discuss till doomsday here. Fact is - like Zerstörer said - its all irrelevant to the game 

Yes I had read of that, but that wasn't what I was talking about actually. I was talking about other times, in battle. I was just trying to prove to IJoe that it wasn't so much the vehicle, like he said, but the crew. Plenty of Tigers with idiots for commander were slaughtered. But I will stop discussing this, It is as you say irreverent to the game. This is probably something to be discussed on the history forum(there is one right?)

[pariah]

See here:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=7.0 [nofollow]

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

"Villers-Bocage of the East" - this is going to be my next map 

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=488.0 

I just have to rework splats and all this little detail stuff ^^
All in all this map is finished by a long time.

[cephalos]

...
why it's not released?  another time maybe...

[Goober]

See here:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=7.0

Thanks!

[777mais777]

I think, this is intresting:
http://tankkk.narod.ru/voina.html

[pariah]

I think it would be more interesting if it wasn't in such a cool language. Think you could give us unfortunate Englishers the gist of it?

[IJoe]

I think it would be more interesting if it wasn't in such a cool language. Think you could give us unfortunate Englishers the gist of it?

That's my friendly advice, and suggestion:
Use some translator tool. I wouldn't expect anyone to spend his while translating all this info (I'm judging by myself).

[Goober]

Here is it using Google Chrome translator. Sorry, it will be hard to understand:

Edit by Zerstörer :Next time please post a link if you have to. Not a 10 page translated essay. i'm sure anyone can use the google translator and it's automatic.

And for the record, IS2 was far from amazing. 2-3 rounds a minute is apauling, and carrying 28 rounds in total is pretty pathetic and wouldn't last more than 20-30 min in combat. Ammo was exposed and cooked off easily. Also, what is forgotten is that a Tiger1 had amost a 1to1 with/length ratio making turning the tank alot easier + neutral gear. The Tiger2 on the other hand was the first tank to be equiped with the ability to reverse on track while the second one was running forwards also making it very accurate and agile. The proof is that during the Ardenes Offensive, not one of them had any problems traversing what is considered the worse terrain for tanks. German crews considered the tigers more nimble than the IS