1.4.0.0 Command Squad

[Dzierzan]

Hello people

My question is - for what command squad has molotow?

Let's see:

1. They are the best tier 0 unit.
2. They have big armor or a lot of HP.
3. They have arty for free.
4. They have binoculars.
5. They have ability "charge".
6. Their guns and pistol are powerfull.
7. They have ability, which gain power or defence for units.

And that's it. The end. Command squad is enough OP, they do not need molotow. Molotows are for conscripts, and don't change it please. Remove molotow from command squad.

IF you don't want change it, write why.

[RedGuard]

haha CS is not OP, they dont scale well into the late game with no vet mods

yeah its a good tier 0 unit, its also the most expensive by far

it wont be changed its clearly not OP even a little bit

[Otto Halfhand]

The CS is not OP IMO. The molotov ability provides two capabilities:
1. It can force a squad in heavy cover to disengage.
2. It provides  limited anti vehicle capability.

Q. What is the muni maintenance cost for the Command Squad?

[Dzierzan]

@RedGuard - maybe you're balanser but i don't think so that you have to have always right. Molotows should be only for conscripts. CS don't need it. Hmmm know CS is only little OP, that is ok. Even if molotows will cost, i will still think that this ability for CS is stupid. Of course, my impressions i wrote on the basis of PvsP.

[GodlikeDennis]

I think the CS is fine. Molotovs in general are getting a hefty nerf in the next patch. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Dzierzan]

What mean word "nerf"? And i'm still waiting to anser my question "for what command squad has molotow?".

[Killar]

A "nerf" is a little troll that hacks in the unit files and makes it weaker. That is called "nerving"

 

[Cranialwizard]

What mean word "nerf"? And i'm still waiting to anser my question "for what command squad has molotow?".

Nerf means reduce the effectiveness or the power of a unit, ability etc.

Buff- Gets better
Nerf- Gets worse.

So if I were to give Volks squads more health that's a buff. But if I give them less health that's a nerf.

Cran's guide to balance 101 Lesson 1: The 2 definitions

[Dzierzan]

Thank you guys, but i still don't know many strange words in english .

[Cranialwizard]

IIRC it's not really english, it's CoH Slang

[Otto Halfhand]

I think the CS is fine. Molotovs in general are getting a hefty nerf in the next patch. I wouldn't worry about it.

I agree with you whole heartedly.

Re: nerfs.
If a nerf is necessary I think it should be in reduced throwing range, (Less than PE incendiary grens, who complains about them). Sure Molotovs require a lot of micro to counter but they are area effect weapons and can be maneuvered away from. In vCoH most thrown anti vehicle stick. Incendiaries don't. Don't nerf the critical engine hits please.

[Blackbishop]

I think the CS is fine. Molotovs in general are getting a hefty nerf in the next patch. I wouldn't worry about it.

I agree with you whole heartedly.

Re: nerfs.
If a nerf is necessary I think it should be in reduced throwing range, (Less than PE incendiary grens, who complains about them). Sure Molotovs require a lot of micro to counter but they are area effect weapons and can be maneuvered away from. In vCoH most thrown anti vehicle stick. Incendiaries don't. Don't nerf the critical engine hits please.

Correct, their range was decreased and their cooldown doubled. The critical engines were removed except when the vehicle has lower health(i would say 1/3HP).

I don't know how the criticals work, but if we could add that nothing happens to your engine more times than getting a critical engine would be good .

[BurroDiablo]

What mean word "nerf"? And i'm still waiting to anser my question "for what command squad has molotow?".

OT, the term stems from the US Toy manufacturer 'NERF' who make Toy Weapons that fire Foam projectiles.



In gaming terms, it essentially means 'To make weaker'... that is, to make weapons so weak, they might as well have NERF guns

[Dzierzan]

One stupid question, many answers. One serious question, no answers...Żałosne...

[Paladin88]

As already stated above, the command squad is not OP. It is expensive and even on Vet III if they all die you're back to vet 0. You have to work to get their abilities unlocked and their PPsh upgrade doesn't even come earlier than Volks MP40s

(Shrugs,)

I dont think there's much more to discuss.

By the way, if you reckon its still OP Dzieran please post a replay or something to back up your OP claim. Otherwise you're just speculating and who knows if its exaggeration or not.

1. They are the best tier 0 unit.
2. They have big armor or a lot of HP.
3. They have arty for free.
4. They have binoculars.
5. They have ability "charge".
6. Their guns and pistol are powerfull.
7. They have ability, which gain power or defence for units.

And that's it. The end. Command squad is enough OP, they do not need molotow. Molotows are for conscripts, and don't change it please. Remove molotow from command squad.

IF you don't want change it, write why.

1 And for 350 manpower they bloody better be.
2 As compared to conscripts which are cannon fodder
3 Only on Vet 1 and by that stage you will be in serious combat
4 So does the sharpshooter team is that OP? By the way, commanders often carry binoculars u know.
5 So? Thats like a looie for the Brits is that OP?
6 They are pretty shit overall for 350 manpower and you can only get one. Only PPsh makes them godly...
7 You are talking of vets. That comes down to how well a match is played.

Molotovs... have already been addressed
Post Merge: June 15, 2011, 11:43:33 PMThe molotov if it acts like an incindery grenade then there should be no issue since the command squad is like 4 conscripts plus bad ass major. Conscripts throw molotovs therefore why not command squad.

P.S. I wish Command squad was like DoW (Imperial General) where you could upgrade actual leaders Gave a customised feel and touch to it but I know that would be bloody hard though
Post Merge: June 16, 2011, 05:44:39 PMAlso note that if the major gets sniped, the abilities disappear.