Naval Infantries in next patch ( i hope so)

[Otto Halfhand]

I guess that makes LGF the weakest unit in the game health wise . Its probably best to leave them in your Inf. HT so they can fire but be protected.

IIRC PGs have 55 HPs too. Conscripts weigh in at 37 HP.

[Tankbuster]

Ah! that is why they melt away in combat. What sort of armor do conscripts have?

[Otto Halfhand]

I believe Conscripts have "soldier armor". The default personnel amor type.

[GodlikeDennis]

The default armour for infantry is infantry armour. Volks, basic grens, riflemen etc. have it. LGF and Conscripts also have it. Soldier armour is found on PGs, falls and British units only.

LGF are basically a volks squad with 5 less health per man. Overall, that's 275hp vs 300hp on volks.

PGs have 55hp per man, but soldier armour. Against M1 Garands for instance, soldier armour reduces incoming damage from them by 40%. Therefore, PG squad health jumps from 165 to 231 effective squad health. BARs are even less effective against soldier armour than Garands - reduced accuracy and 60% less damage.

Tommies have 65hp and soldier armour, giving them a whopping 455 effective health against volks in early game. (Volks also have 0.6 damage vs soldier)

NI in EF 1.4 are basically a rifle squad but with elite armour instead of infantry armour. This is -25% received accuracy and -25% received damage.

[Pac-Fish]

Thx for clearing that up

[Tankbuster]

Hence Mathematically proved that conscripts suck at everything.

[Blackbishop]

Hence Mathematically proved that conscripts suck at everything.

PanzerGrenadiers don't think the same .

[Tankbuster]

Do they? A conscript squad versus a PanzerGrenadiers squad with upgrades = A lot of dead bodies in khaki uniforms.

[Blackbishop]

I think that was the outcome they were expecting . More vet for their.

[Cranialwizard]

Do they? A conscript squad versus a PanzerGrenadiers squad with upgrades = A lot of dead bodies in khaki uniforms.

You are forgetting that conscripts are cheaper, have more men, more rifles, can throw molotovs for free, do well with the command squad, and are great in numbers. With vet they recieve full weapon packages in 1.4 and become pretty damn formidable.

It takes quite a bit of teching and upgrading for Pgrens to get to a formidable combat force of assualt rifles and G43 aggressive vet mayhem.

[Tankbuster]

But when they do, conscripts start crying AND dying.

[Seeme]

And Frying

[Cranialwizard]

But when they do, conscripts start crying AND dying.

By that time you should have better units (NI Strelky Guards Partisans) on the field. Do you expect Conscripts to be godlike? They're early game units.

[Otto Halfhand]

Hence Mathematically proved that conscripts suck at everything.

PanzerGrenadiers don't think the same .

Yeah the Krauts of the Kampf Gruppe don't think like the Red beet-eaters. Must be something in their diet. 

NI may be Elite but they are only light infantry. Vanilla NI with SVT40s and airborne armor at 2CP is about right. Converting NI to Guards at vet3 (and allowing them to keep their SVT40s) as per MaxiKing6's suggestion with Conscripts> Strelky, would be a great concept addition to CoH and EF! Elite armor at vet1 or vet2; deleting the PTRD and adding KRAK grenade ability as an upgrade would further smooth the transition from Light Infantry with limited anti-vehicle capabilities to full fledged multi-purpose Assault Guards. And it would be historically relevant too. 
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=6428.0

... You are forgetting that conscripts are cheaper, have more men, more rifles, can throw molotovs for free, do well with the command squad, and are great in numbers. With vet they recieve full weapon packages in 1.4 and become pretty damn formidable...

All this conscript discussion is pretty academic considering all Soviet Infantry will undergo significant changes in coming patches. However...

... Do you expect Conscripts to be godlike? They're early game units.

I do expect early infantry like conscripts and Amis rifle squads to retain some utility throughout the game.

[Mr.ious.Q]

But how do you guys think about adding PPS-43s or PPSh-41s for the NIs ? so that the NIs will have 2 upgrade available first one is upgrade with 4 SMG and the 2nd one is upgrade with long range support 4 SVTs and 2 DPs. And at start they will all be equipped with 5 Mosins and 1 SMG. About the Guards i want to suggest that they all can have SVTs at start.