Russian Armour

[Loupblanc]

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 He sort of meant 'You are joking, trying to deceive us'
 etc, etc. I agree that Garand was kickass compared to
 K98. Tiger was better, but alone, with no air support...
 Squish.
 
 As for US strategy/balance. Well, it's a chess game,
 not a simulation. Can go play Men of War for that

[GI John 412]

Thank you good sir.  Your statements have helped.  I just needed a little rant and it seems like so many others can get away with it I might as well get in on the fun.  I shall now get some chocolate milk to ease my frustration and avoid any more unnecessary outbursts.

[luz777]

Sure the game is balanced by win/loss but not for casualties.  The US takes more killed to do the same job as the Wher in game and this affects how people play. 

The US can crush if you put winning before your peoples lives.  This is my biggest issue with the game.  American commanders cared about their troops, we fought the war to rid the world of tyranny while the Nazi officers cared not for individuals but only for their fascist ideals.  The US rushing strategy is so vastly different than how the war was actually fought. 

My statement about the US winning with a better Army is true, but not specifically tank on tank battles.  A US rifleman with a semiautomatic M1 Garand is far more deadly than a German grenadier with a K98 no matter how experienced he may be.  The Germans did have better technology but not in enough numbers to close the gap.

Everybody uses the Tiger VS 7 Shermans scenerio but that rarly happened.  More often than not the Tiger kills a Sherman or two then runs then is killed by a P-51.  Then the Shermans support the superior US infantry in annihilating the kraut troops who are left behind without tank or air support.  For every time a Tiger kills a Sherman, a Sherman kills another 20 Volksgrenadiers.  For every time a time an MG 42 cuts up a fireteam, an infantry squad blows away a jerry grenadier section. 

Firepower wins wars and no one past, present or future will ever match the US army in the realm of individual killing power.                   

Whilst I do agree with most of this you cant really say that German Generals didn't care about their troops. Many of them weren't Nazi's in the first place. Besides I'm sure Fascists still have emotions...despite being awful bastards. 

Cheers

[WartyX]

Firepower wins wars and no one past, present or future will ever match the US army in the realm of individual killing power.

It is foolish to expect the US to be the most powerful military force for the rest of eternity. Every power has a downfall, whether they are Rome, the British Empire or the United States.

[Toxic19813]

Firepower wins wars and no one past, present or future will ever match the US army in the realm of individual killing power.

It is foolish to expect the US to be the most powerful military force for the rest of eternity. Every power has a downfall, whether they are Rome, the British Empire or the United States.

I agree, but the guy has spirit. 

[Loupblanc]

 GI John 412 :
 - Calm self with chocolate milk?! How old are you 8?
 Either that or you are a girl Girl happiness all starts with
 chocolate
 - HuRAH! Marine cry is 'Hourrah' from France!!! 'YEAAAH'
 is what it'd translate to. But the Marine battlecry is definitively
 french
 
 Americans, Germans - nazis cared about GERMAN lives
 just not non-german lives. And a lot of german officers
 in the Wehrmacht were not nazis. Heck, even Japanese
 cared more about their own soldier's lives than we
 generally know of. But some artistic license was taken
 or else, we'd all have generic chess pieces.
 
 Every dog has it's day. Armies rise and fall. Life goes on

 

[GI John 412]

One does not have to be 8 to enjoy chocolate milk. I personally start every day with one glass of chocolate flavored instant breakfast, a crude sexual joke and an episode of the A-Team.

My rant about the value of life is purely relative. The American way of life values the individual over the whole, sure the German officer corps valued life but their society told them to put the objective first.  American officers never ordered their troops to die valiantly for Roosevelt.  When Americans die valiantly it is because somebody effed up.

[ford_prefect]

"When Americans die valiantly it is because somebody effed up."
yeah mostly that is a president because he could not lead to a negotiable peace 

[Fhurion]

"When Americans die valiantly it is because somebody effed up."
yeah mostly that is a president because he could not lead to a negotiable peace 

Oh snap. It just got real...

[ford_prefect]

"When Americans die valiantly it is because somebody effed up."
yeah mostly that is a president because he could not lead to a negotiable peace 

Oh snap. It just got real...

YAH BOY!
Post Merge: January 05, 2010, 05:38:11 AM

"When Americans die valiantly it is because somebody effed up."
yeah mostly that is a president because he could not lead to a negotiable peace 

Oh snap. It just got real...

YAH BOY!

lol no

[Panzerjager]

Speaking of Russian armor; I love the skin of the IS-2 or JS-2 or whatever you want to call it(yes I've seen a book call it a JS-2) I can't wait to use T-34s and IS-2s to push the facists back to berlin

[Tim270]

My statement about the US winning with a better Army is true, but not specifically tank on tank battles.  A US rifleman with a semiautomatic M1 Garand is far more deadly than a German grenadier with a K98 no matter how experienced he may be.  The Germans did have better technology but not in enough numbers to close the gap.

Everybody uses the Tiger VS 7 Shermans scenerio but that rarly happened.  More often than not the Tiger kills a Sherman or two then runs then is killed by a P-51.  Then the Shermans support the superior US infantry in annihilating the kraut troops who are left behind without tank or air support.  For every time a Tiger kills a Sherman, a Sherman kills another 20 Volksgrenadiers.  For every time a time an MG 42 cuts up a fireteam, an infantry squad blows away a jerry grenadier section. 

Firepower wins wars and no one past, present or future will ever match the US army in the realm of individual killing power.                   

               Except the Marines.  Ooh fuckin' Rah.

I dont know what History book you have been reading, but it seems a little off. :p

The garand was not what won the war for the allies, had the US still been using Springfield I doubt it would have made any difference.

@ the last point, the USA is a fairly new country in the scheme of things, everything has its day.

[ford_prefect]

Sure the game is balanced by win/loss but not for casualties.  The US takes more killed to do the same job as the Wher in game and this affects how people play. 

The US can crush if you put winning before your peoples lives.  This is my biggest issue with the game.  American commanders cared about their troops, we fought the war to rid the world of tyranny while the Nazi officers cared not for individuals but only for their fascist ideals.  The US rushing strategy is so vastly different than how the war was actually fought. 

My statement about the US winning with a better Army is true, but not specifically tank on tank battles.  A US rifleman with a semiautomatic M1 Garand is far more deadly than a German grenadier with a K98 no matter how experienced he may be.  The Germans did have better technology but not in enough numbers to close the gap.

Everybody uses the Tiger VS 7 Shermans scenerio but that rarly happened.  More often than not the Tiger kills a Sherman or two then runs then is killed by a P-51.  Then the Shermans support the superior US infantry in annihilating the kraut troops who are left behind without tank or air support.  For every time a Tiger kills a Sherman, a Sherman kills another 20 Volksgrenadiers.  For every time a time an MG 42 cuts up a fireteam, an infantry squad blows away a jerry grenadier section. 

Firepower wins wars and no one past, present or future will ever match the US army in the realm of individual killing power.                   

               Except the Marines.  Ooh fuckin' Rah.

right how much propaganda do they put you guys now

[Loupblanc]

 Well americans were on the offensive...
 Of course they'd have more casualties.

[BurroDiablo]

I don't see the point in this discussion. WW2 was a team effort, not USA vs Nazi Germany. Had it been a football game, Russia would be man of the match. The Allies would have never accomplished anything had it not been for the Germans expending the majority of their resources on the Eastern Front in the first place. Except maybe defeating the Japanese... but even then you had to Nuke them... twice.

Speaking of Russian armor; I love the skin of the IS-2 or JS-2 or whatever you want to call it(yes I've seen a book call it a JS-2) I can't wait to use T-34s and IS-2s to push the facists back to berlin

This is the newer model here with its final skin

http://www.moddb.com/members/burrodiablo/images/is-2-render

It is currently being integrated.

IS-2 or JS-2 are both the same... JS is the Westernised 'Joseph', IS is more correct to the Russian cyrillic since Stalins first name in Russian is Иосиф 'Iosif'.