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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 11:23:03 PM »
Thompson.
1st is the best.
It wasnt a 1st smg but it was a first good and reliable smg.

2nd is Suomi. A very early and good design. It should be on the list. In a 9 man Finnish squad the bravest had Suomi.

3rd is STEN. It was so easy to build that the Polish move of resistance made them in bicycle shops! 9mm Parabellum ammo is a advantage too becouse you could use British, German and Italian ammo. Even PPSH cant beat that.
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2010, 12:27:38 AM »
As I read, army used the box magazine for ППШ-41, the same way as for Thompson. Although there are more disk magazines on photographs. That's probably for the style, just like capes (cloaks).
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2010, 01:17:04 AM »
Should I add the Suomi. I actually knew about it. I thought the PPSh-41 is basically just a continuation of it. The Suomi was more accurate and reliable than the PPSh-41, but is was very time consuming to produce as only around 70-80 thousand were built. Hmmm if you guys want it included, tell me.
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2010, 01:21:26 AM »
As I read, army used the box magazine for ППШ-41, the same way as for Thompson. Although there are more disk magazines on photographs. That's probably for the style, just like capes (cloaks).

That's a good point Artemis. In fact, I recently read about this: Soviet war time photographers preferred to take pictures of Soviet soldiers with the drum magazine instead of the box magazine because that's how ordinary folk recognized the weapon.

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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 10:16:04 AM »
Should I add the Suomi. I actually knew about it. I thought the PPSh-41 is basically just a continuation of it. The Suomi was more accurate and reliable than the PPSh-41, but is was very time consuming to produce as only around 70-80 thousand were built. Hmmm if you guys want it included, tell me.

+1 you should include it!
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2010, 08:52:15 PM »
Suomi M/31
Weight: 4.6 kg
Cartridge: 9x19mm Parabellum
Rate of fire: 750–900 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 396 m/s
Maximum range: ~500 m
Feed system: 20, 36, 40, 50 box or 71-round drum. Also modified German MP 38 u. 40 32 round box magazine

Well, good.
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 02:10:38 AM »
I only picked Pshh Because thats the only ww2 weapon I Held and Fired.

I expected more recoil, I was impressed. Hard to aim though,
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 01:51:29 PM »
Should I add the Suomi. I actually knew about it. I thought the PPSh-41 is basically just a continuation of it. The Suomi was more accurate and reliable than the PPSh-41, but is was very time consuming to produce as only around 70-80 thousand were built. Hmmm if you guys want it included, tell me.
Were talking about a small Finnish army. Suomi werent produced for export much becouse every country had pride tomake itsown smg.

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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2010, 06:11:36 PM »
for me
1st MP40 , the only flaw was its hard to fire prone,
2nd Sten , because its similiar to the Mp40 but solves the prone firing problem
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2010, 10:04:20 PM »
ppsh41

less recoil then Mp40, higher rate of fire, easy to fire prone, and more accurate at ranges.

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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2010, 03:45:31 AM »
hmm can some one confirm that the PPsh41 was more accurate than the MP40 ?
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2010, 04:12:17 AM »
hmm can some one confirm that the PPsh41 was more accurate than the MP40 ?

Not looking at anecdotal evidence we can see that the PPSh has a longer barrel (269 mm vs. 251 mm) than the MP40 and also has less recoil. Given this, it makes it more accurate.

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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2010, 02:32:59 PM »
I've heard that, in close-combat, MP40 was much more efficient because of its handiness and reliability, than PPSH41.

Also, the PPS42 should be added, it was a good SMG too!
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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2010, 03:25:25 PM »
Also, the PPS42 should be added, it was a good SMG too!
Yes, I agree. The PPS-42/43 was a reliable and tough personal-defense weapon (PDW). I still have some of my great-grandfather's old possessions (good thing he managed to hide away a lot of them before he was captured!), including the PPS-43 that he brought back from Narwa and used until Berlin '45...I was told that he accidentally dropped it in mud and deep puddles a lot of times, but it still fired. That's how tough it is.  ;) It remains in serviceable condition up until this very day, since my family regards it as a valuable heirloom.  :)

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Re: Best Submachinegun of the Second World War
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2010, 03:32:12 AM »
The Italian Mochetto M-38.

There weren't many made until after Italy fell, but many Americans and Germans used it from picking it off of dead Italians. And the fact the gun looks neat to me.
I've always liked it since I've played Medal of Honor Allied Assault's Breakthrough expansion. Probalbly were never see a game based on tha front again.
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