Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation

[sniper_bow]

Now this is one badass tank, get it in you know you want to, possibly as a Centurion Mk1 as they were built during ww2 lol.

 "An Australian Army Mk 3 Centurion Type K, Army Registration Number 169041, was involved in a nuclear blast test at Emu Field in Australia in 1953 as part of Operation Totem 1. Built as number 39/190 at the Royal Ordnance Factory, Barnbow in 1951 it was assigned the British Army number 06 BA 16 and supplied to the Australian Commonwealth Government under Contract 2843 in 1952.

It was placed less than 500 yards (460 m) from the epicentre and left with the engine running. Examination after detonation found it had been pushed away from the blast point by about 5 feet (1.5 m) and that its engine had stopped working only because it had run out of fuel. Antennas were missing, lights and periscopes were heavily sandblasted, the cloth mantlet cover was incinerated, and the armoured side plates had been blown off and carried up to 200 yards (180 m) from the tank. Remarkably the tank could be driven from the site. Had it been manned the crew would probably have been killed by the shock wave.

169041, subsequently nicknamed The Atomic Tank, was later used in the Vietnam War and is now located at Robertson Barracks in Palmerston, Northern Territory. Although other tanks were subjected to nuclear tests, 169041 is the only tank known to have withstood atomic tests and subsequently gone on for another 23 years of service, including 15 months on operational deployment in a war zone.

[pariah]

Oh, yeah, i totally forgot that W.W.II stretched into the 1950s!

[HyperSniper999]

What does that have anything to do with the Soviets or the eastern front?

Although it must've sucked for the crew to drive a tank probably covered in radioactive particles.

[RedGuard]

If thats correct it would appear the brits beat the soviets in creating the nuclear safe tank by a few years

soviets first was the t54/55

I sometimes dream 'what-if' the war dragged on another decade into the late 50's early 60's. we would been able to see all the badass new series of tanks and weapons slug it out. like the rise of the cold war main battle tanks vs super heavys. and the always classic m16 vs AK47 haha

hey thats actually a awesome idea for a mod!

[Blackbishop]

Oh, yeah, i totally forgot that W.W.II stretched into the 1950s!

lol .

I don't think brits need one of those.

[sniper_bow]

@pariah because i said the war went into the 1950's didn't i? crow bag 

[Blackbishop]

IS-3 fought in WW2, in small numbers though, but was a functional model and wasn't a prototype (or at least not in the same condition than the Centurion). In other hand the production of Centurions started in 1946.

[sniper_bow]

I don't claim that the Centurion Mk1 fought in ww2 - "Manufacture of the Centurion began in January 1945, and six prototypes arrived in Belgium soon after the war in Europe ended in May 1945" - Wikipedia.

I thought the IS-3 was only deployed to Manchuria in 1945 pretty similar to the centurion being rushed into germany in may 1945

"The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria" - Wikipedia.

Now i'm not debating it being in the game i see this as a good thing and i'm not trying to say you must have a centurion Mk1 in the game either, but i've searched the internet to find an IS-3 in combat during ww2 and came up with nothing so far...

[Blackbishop]

I don't claim that the Centurion Mk1 fought in ww2 - "Manufacture of the Centurion began in January 1945, and six prototypes arrived in Belgium soon after the war in Europe ended in May 1945" - Wikipedia.

I thought the IS-3 was only deployed to Manchuria in 1945 pretty similar to the centurion being rushed into germany in may 1945

"The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria" - Wikipedia.

Now i'm not debating it being in the game i see this as a good thing and i'm not trying to say you must have a centurion Mk1 in the game either, but i've searched the internet to find an IS-3 in combat during ww2 and came up with nothing so far...

I don't think you will find it otherwise we wouldn't have to think it twice to add it. Possibly all the tests of the IS-3 in WW2 surely were covered, and unlike the T-44 (that wasn't approved, hence released the information) will never be known.

Now, RMC won't have the Centurion, not only because they already have the Comet (we could argue that soviets already have IS-2 and ISU-152 in that case)... but because won't fit with RMC, where would you put it if would be allowed to be there?? We need to make sure where this stuff goes before thinking how good it looks.

[sniper_bow]

Thankyou for being honest, regarding my opinion, having a grown up discussion and meeting me half way.
Centurion Mk1 couldn't fit in the game even as a reward unit for the kangaroo carrier?

[pariah]

If it can survive a nuclear explosion, then i would say it's about on par with the Kangaroo Carrier.

[Desert_Fox]

Kangaroo Carrier is a Reward Unit too...it can't be replaced.

[RedGuard]

Thankyou for being honest, regarding my opinion, having a grown up discussion and meeting me half way.
Centurion Mk1 couldn't fit in the game even as a reward unit for the kangaroo carrier?

brits have all their reward slots already in use, roo replaces the cromwell. brits have the Comet, dont forget, which is already one of the best tanks in the game!

I find one time callins and super heavys opposite to coh brit doctrine, there's multiple balance issues there. I guess you could say super tanks just aren't the brits cup of tea

ps- sniper your the one millionth poster to try and tarnish IS-3's credability as a legitimate addition - in an attempt to advance their own agendas

[Blackbishop]

I don't think it would make a bad reward unit, but brits don't have anything to offer for that. Reward for the Comet? Don't think so, über tanks should be doctrinals and limited to one.

Besides we have a no writen rule that we'll make up to 2 reward units for each faction:

• US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo
• Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC
• Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.
• PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and
• SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and

So, there's no place for such unit... let alone that Lord Rommel will scold us again for including units with doubtful fighting reputation on ww2 .

[TheReaper]

- Wikipedia.

The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.