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« on: June 01, 2010, 06:32:13 PM »
I believe that we should not add the SS, the Panzer Elite is the disguised Waffen-SS.
Sorry, but I have to correct you here: The Panzer Elite is supposed to be the Panzer Lehr Division - Wehrmacht, not Waffen-SS.
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« on: May 29, 2010, 01:51:44 AM »
I think that's a pretty good compromise. After all, the case that the Waffen-SS was a branch (like Marines, Airborne, etc) and not a denominator is pretty solid.
HyperSniper999:
Get over it.
That aside, the ban on Nazi-Symbolism goes all the way back to the terms of the Allied occupation. So, as an American it all still comes back to you.
Wartyx:
Can you tell me what pattern the Waffen-SS inspired unit(s) will wear? I'm really into camo-patterns, and I'm just curious whether it'll be plane-tree (platanenmuster), oak-leaf (Eichenmuster), pea-dot (Erbsenmuster) or whatever?
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« on: May 27, 2010, 10:23:55 PM »
Rommel, while I'm generally indifferent about the inclusion/exclusion of an Waffen-SS Unit/Doctrine/Whatever, I do think that you could do some interesting gameplay stuff with them.
Some Examples:
*The Waffen SS had a brutal and fanatic reputation. As such, you could simulate the effect this had on the enemy by increasing their ability to suppress the enemy, giving them an ability/chance to put them into flight or the like.
* Again, going back to their reputation for fanaticism, a 'No Suppression' ability, similar to that of the US-Paratroopers could be included.
* Ironically, the Waffen-SS ended up being the most multi-ethnic and multi-cultural army of the war. Bosniaks, Turks or even British could be included.
* The Waffen-SS gained a reputation for being the 'Firefighters of the Army', being sent to help out Wehrmacht units wherever need may be.
(This was a job they took over from the Fallschirmjaegers after most of them were transferred to fight in Italy and the Western Front)
As such, they could receive added speed or be bought as an off-map unit, as is the case in the normal CoH.
* The Waffen-SS were the first to employ camouflage uniforms and employed a variety of designs throughout the war. Visual variety aside, this could be used, for example, as an Upgrade (Better Design -> Better Camouflage, going from Invis-when-standing to Invis-when-moving)
Those are just a couple of ideas I thought of right from the get-go. Of course you could probably do most, if not all of them without referring to the unit(s) as Waffen SS, but that would of course only serve personal reservations.
PS: With regards to the legal worries for German Players/Developers:
The simple reference of the Waffen-SS is not punishable in any form, art or not. It only get's illegal when you employ the double Sig-Rune. You could even name a unit "Waffen-SS Grenadiers" or whatever, and as long as you don't write it with the Sig-Runes, you're fine.
Furthermore, since the Waffen-SS units mostly used 'Schluepfhemde' and Helmet covers in the field which covered the collar tabs, the mappers wouldn't even have to draw the undesirable symbols.
I'm not even going to go into the arguments of videogames being art and therefore exempt from the ban on NS-symbols.
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« on: February 07, 2010, 12:22:26 AM »
Are we going to see four leaf clovers or rabit feet as a sign of evil after an oppressive, genocidal regime happens to use them on their flag?
Short Answer: Yes Of course the Swastika wasn't invented by the Nazis and has had different significance to different cultures at different times. But we live in the Western culture in the 21st century, and for us, the Swastika has become associated with Nazism, Racism and the Holocaust. There are three main reasons why a lot of people prefer to avoid the Swastika in their games, even if they are set during WW2: 1) Respect for other people's sensitivities. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who are offended by the display of Swastikas in a Game. They believe the subject matter to be too serious and that a video game, in which you really defy all history (no matter how 'realistic' the game attempts to be), isn't the appropriate medium for it. You might not be offended, but respect the fact that other people might. 2) Foresight. The developers usually do not wish to see a large part of their community consisting out of Nazis, White Supremacists, etc - it's bad PR. The ability to play as Nazis under the Swastika somehow tends to magically attract these kinds of folks. Sure, they can always mod the game so that they do get Swastikas anyway, but then the developer can point at just that. It's not their problem then. 3) Legal reasons. There are several countries in which Swastikas are banned symbols, most notably of course Germany and Austria. Together they alone have a GDP (PPP) of $US 3.25 Trillion - that's a significant market. Therefore, almost every Game that includes a Swastika has to have it removed and replaced in the respective countries. This is an additional (though) minor strain on the Art resources of the Developer, and most of the developers consider the necessity of including the symbol as so negligible that, alongside the other reasons, they just choose to avoid including it in the first place.
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« on: February 06, 2010, 04:24:14 PM »
No way are those SS.
It's Reenactors playing SS. And making a grave mistake by singing the Tanker's song. Also, you children don't understand the differance between WAFFEN SS and the "POLITICAL SS". The Waffen were field troops and the forefront of German military campaigns at the time, nothing is wrong with them. Actually, especially during the early war, there was a significant overlap of regular SS members who joined the Waffen SS to fight. While this got less and less as the war went on, it's still true. Also, Waffen SS units were preferably used for Anti-Partisan actions, which by contemporary German doctrine meant taking and killing hostages (according to the 10 for 1 rule established by the Italians in Africa), burning down entire villages to deny the Partisans food & shelter and executing anybody suspected of supporting/being a partisan. Waffen SS members would also immediately execute captured Jews and Bolsheviks, rather than wait for Einsatzgruppen. The Political side of the SS is the one to blame for carrying out the Holocaust and guarding Nazi officials.
Waffen SS (and to a much lesser extent, Wehrmacht) would regularly be used by Einsatzgruppen to seal of and clear ghettos. They would also sometimes be used as security detail for Einsatzgruppen when those committed massacres outside the Concentration Camps. Additionally, wounded Waffen SS members would be used as Concentration Camp guards during their rehabilitation, though they were generally considered less sadistic than the non-German Handschar that was usually reserved for that. It was also considered unhonorable work, and many of them did there best to get transferred back to their unit or somewhere else as quickly as possible. But still.
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« on: February 04, 2010, 03:57:36 AM »
Wow, calm down. You're taking this way too seriously.
Tragedy + Time = Comedy. It's a simple reality.
If everybody always took everything as serious as you seem to do, humanity would have probably already collectively committed suicide out of depression.
Company of Heroes - and with it, this Mod - is entertainment. That means that some things are going to be exaggerated, untrue, modified, adjusted, etc.
If you want history, read a history book. This is entertainment. At one point or another, the developers will always come across an intersection where they'll have to choose between history and fun - and any good developer will choose fun.
Because that's what Games are about. Live with it.
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« on: January 31, 2010, 03:20:34 PM »
It's fascinating how the old War propaganda is still in circulation today.
After all, people still speak about "Liberation" rather than "Conquest", despite it being just that...
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« on: January 30, 2010, 10:36:04 PM »
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« on: January 27, 2010, 11:38:47 AM »
you could also call it Hitlers fault for starting a war and trying to commit genocide?
I don't seem to have put fine enough of a point on it, but I was being sarcastic. While it is technically correct, you obviously can never blame a defender for resisting.
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« on: January 27, 2010, 04:29:26 AM »
You could also call it the Ally's fault for defending themselves.
As Von Clausewitz said so nicely 200 years ago:
"A war doesn't start until the defender resists."
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« on: January 27, 2010, 01:51:10 AM »
I guess this depends on a number of factors.
Purely geographically speaking (that is, including the European Russian territories), the Center would be among the axis of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary.
Politically speaking (that is only including EU countries), Germany would be the dead center of Europe.
Another factor could be ethnicity/ancient tribes: Latin Europe being the West and South, Germanic Europe the Center and North, and Slavic Europe the East.
The Iron Curtain obviously also did its part in classifying Center, East and West quite profoundly.
Germany became the Center, split in two between the Capitalist West and Communist East, and therefore, everything East of it was Eastern (aka Communist) Europe.
This, of course, explains the preference of many former USSR countries to consider themselves Central instead of Eastern - 'Eastern European' has become associated with Soviet Communism, Backwardness and Economic weakness, while 'Central European' is relatively neutral.
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« on: January 26, 2010, 11:00:56 PM »
Well, this might be completely off-topic, but a question to that Polish user:
It's interesting that Poland seems to consider itself Central Europe - everywhere else it is considered Eastern Europe, with Germany/Austria/Switzerland being considered the Center - everything West of it is Western Europe, South is Southern, North is Northern and East is Eastern Europe.
I wonder why Poland calls itself Central Europe - is it because of the Stigma attached to being "Eastern European"?
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« on: January 25, 2010, 10:32:59 PM »
Do you know the quote by Pastor Martin Niemöller about the passivity of the German people to counteract the Nazis?
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.
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« on: January 25, 2010, 09:35:51 PM »
You can see this in the controversy surrounding the movie "Downfall". Some people didn´t like seeing that Hitler was human...
Yeah, that was pretty ludicrous. The Left has grown way too powerful in Germany by now - there's no balance between Left and Right, as in other countries. And the Lefties always fear that, as soon as you depict any Nazi as anything but a baby-raping, uncharming asshole, you're downplaying the Nazis. In my eyes, that makes the German people themselves look even worse. Because if you fall victim to an evil but charismatic charmer that's a lot more understandable that falling victim to an evil dick with no charisma at all.. It's reached the point of absurdity, really...
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« on: January 24, 2010, 07:22:59 PM »
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