The SS

[Newbie.]

I'd love to see the SS in the OstHeer.

It is my unit concept.

 Großdeutschland sqad

"Born in blood, live in Hell and inspired by the Valkyre"

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Cost: 450 MP

Abilities:

Ability 1: Add one or two light MG34s to squad weapons complement (75 munitions)
Ability 2: Add one or two PPSh41s to squad weapons complement (75 munitions)
Ability 3: Add one or two MP40s to squad weapons complement (50 munitions)
Ability 4: Use med-pack (35 munitions)
Ability 5: Throw bundled grenade (40 munitions)

The Großdeutschland was a division of the Heer ( German Army ) , They;d be possibly more elite than the Waffen SS Ever Was.

And i also agree that we can include the SS with 'Unique names' Like...
Scarfuehrer ( SS Officer )
StormPanzerGrenadier
Panzer IV Ace.
Etc.

[PetikeHUN1984]

I own i was wrong:) I wake up 20 min ago, and now i drink a coffee

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Jeah. Großdeutschland was the first "elite division" of the german army. But i think u cant say that division x is better then division y. All in all u can say that Großdeutschland was
better equipped and get faster and more supply then a number of formations ( same for Panzer-Lehr-Division at the western front ).

And about the Gestapo; well. What for a function had your "Gestapo" squad Have your unit not in mind.

[kitekatus]

i like TheReapers idea that ss should be included trough doctrine,but i think it would be enough is ss would get just on side of doctrine.
well if i would make this on side, it would look like this:

foreign SS
cost-350mp,2CP.
5 man squad
equipment
4x kar98
1x g43-for squad leader(acts as sniper,same way like in british infantry section with scout upgrade)
upgrades
2xMG-34(50 munitions)
or
2x panzershrecks(60 munitions)
abilities
-sprint(active-30seconds,cooldown-45seconds)
-grenade(15 munitions,cooldown 25seconds)
-Incendiary grenade(25munitions,cooldown 35 seconds)
-grenade charge(40 munitions,cooldown 1 minute)

ss panzergrenadiers
cost-650mp,3CP.
comes with Sd.Kfz. 251
6 man squad
equipment
3x mp40
2x stg44
1x panzershreck
upgrades
3x stg44(40 munitions)
abilities
-sprint(active-30seconds,cooldown-45seconds)
-grenade(15 munitions,cooldown 25seconds)
-panzerfaust(25munitions,cooldown 35 seconds)
-panzerfaust charge-fires 4 panzerfausts(100 munitions,cooldown 2 minutes)
-camouflage(turns on when unit is in cover)

SS Heavy Panzer Battalion support
cost-2000mp,8CP
2 tigers
1 king tiger
truck with repair squad(would work like WH repair bunker and needed to be set up to start repairs)
abilities
-tank horror, even sound of tigers will make russian infantry retreat(active-15 seconds, cooldown 70 seconds)
-rapid fire,sacrifce mobilty to tear apart t-34's and other soviet tanks fast and from safe distance
-top speed ,take them by suprise and make chaos behind russian lines(50 munitions,cooldown-50 second)

[PetikeHUN1984]

SS Heavy Panzer Battalion support
cost-2000mp,8CP
2 tigers
1 king tiger
truck with repair squad(would work like WH repair bunker and needed to be set up to start repairs)
abilities
-tank horror, even sound of tigers will make russian infantry retreat(active-15 seconds, cooldown 70 seconds)
-rapid fire,sacrifce mobilty to tear apart t-34's and other soviet tanks fast and from safe distance
-top speed ,take them by suprise and make chaos behind russian lines(50 munitions,cooldown-50 second)

Wtf? Ballance?

[kitekatus]

SS Heavy Panzer Battalion support
cost-2000mp,8CP
2 tigers
1 king tiger
truck with repair squad(would work like WH repair bunker and needed to be set up to start repairs)
abilities
-tank horror, even sound of tigers will make russian infantry retreat(active-15 seconds, cooldown 70 seconds)
-rapid fire,sacrifce mobilty to tear apart t-34's and other soviet tanks fast and from safe distance
-top speed ,take them by suprise and make chaos behind russian lines(50 munitions,cooldown-50 second)

Wtf? Ballance?

well..yeah this would be a bit too over powered 

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Hm. It was very rare that Tiger I fought with Tiger II in one group I just know the 503. and 506. sHeeresPzAbtl. with this "unit combination".

Anyway i still think that the Ostheer wont need an unit with the name "SS-X-Unit". Perhaps some skins will be orientated by the SS but out of my view nothing more is needed for CoH ( look at the old factions; the Stormtroopers of the Wehrmacht-doc seems to be SS-troops and that they arent names SS-Stormtroopers hadnt killed any gamer ).

[kitekatus]

why you are so against that "ss" would be included in name of ..ss units,well i think ss should be included in the name ,not because it just sounds cool or whatever ,but because ss wasn't part of official german armed forces(heer) ,so including them in ostheer but not clearly saying that they are ss troops just sounds a bit illogical to me ,but ok thats just my opinion.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Like i had already written;
I personally wont have problems with a unit called "SS-Unit"
but i got a lot of PNs, mails and feedback of a number of sources and all in all i know that there is a number of people which are totally against the Waffen-SS.

I personally prefer a neutral calling because out of my view it is a good and acceptable compromise.

[TheReaper]

@kitekatus: I think that would be the wunderwaffen doctrine.
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I had in mind something that the heavyest armour the faction would have the Panzer 4s, maybe the Panther. IN that case the faction would recommend some heavyer armour, placed in a doctrine, or the other doctrine should add some anti tank ability.

[Headlock]

Like i had already written;
I personally wont have problems with a unit called "SS-Unit"
but i got a lot of PNs, mails and feedback of a number of sources and all in all i know that there is a number of people which are totally against the Waffen-SS.

I personally prefer a neutral calling because out of my view it is a good and acceptable compromise.

+1

[TheReaper]

Second attempt:

Elite Troops assistance

Left side
Ostheer sturmgrenadier


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Cost: 470MP
Possible Abilities:

Ability 1:Upgrade one or two MP44 Assault Rifle (60 munitions per squad member)
Ability 2:Add one light MG42s to squad weapons complement (75 munitions)
Ability 3:Add one Panzerschrecks to squad weapons complement (75 munitions)
Ability 4:Throw bundled grenade (40 munitions)
Ability 5:Use med-pack (35 munitions)         
Ability 6:Use sprint  free cost (45 sec)

Note:
Basic weapons: 3xMauser 98K +1 MP40 (sq. leader)

Tiger call-in


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Cost 900 MP
Possible Abilities:
Ability 1:Armour Piercing Shell (30 munitions per shoot)
Ability 2:High Explosive Rounds (30 munitions per shoot)
Ability 3:Tank Commander (increase Line of sight)

Elefant call-in

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Cost 1000 MP

Right side

SD presence
Whit this you’re infantrys can’t reatreat, but increase the HP and accuracy. (not drastically)

Heroic Charge
Sturmgrenadiers get this ability. Same as the british.

Crusade against Bolseism
Sturmgrenadier squad recevie +1 squad member. Or maybe other infantrys get one plus member. Dont know the whole picture of the Ostheer.

So tis is more "Ostheer-ish" I think, waiting for the feedback.  Oh, and the real Ostheer.
Post Merge: June 01, 2010, 01:39:43 AMOr put some real evilness, something like this:


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It would be the Über unit or doctrinal ability. Sorry for this, rough day... 

[UeArtemis]

the Red Army raped the half of the Eastern Europe. They fought for Vodka. The German regime and the soviet were the same

They raped the half of the Eastern Europe for Vodka.
Are not you ashamed? In the Red Army were all Soviet people, and all Eastern Europe is their children. If you want to talk about the evil forces - talk about the NKVD troops. We say that the SS is evil, because there was the Nuremberg Tribunal, which proved their guilt. But your western view of the Red Army is a subjective opinion, not the Holy Truth.

Please, refrain from Russophobian and anti-Soviet claims.

I believe that we should not add the SS, the Panzer Elite is the disguised Waffen-SS.

[PetikeHUN1984]

Dear UeArtemis!

I am hungarian citizen, and noble. My famili has a mill and many factory in the war and never make millitary equipment. But when the russians and his loyalists came to hungary stolen in the name of communism. My famili was made flour and give bread for hungarian peaples in the war. Vorosilov Marshall stolen my grandmothers (grand Barones) residence, and take my famili to the street. Also stole 4 car 2 truck, and all furniture in the house. This house was a Russian HQ in budapest.
My grandfather was killed in the war by russian, but he never fight just work in the flour factory. This is my family storry and this was true. The Russians was agressive and brutal peaple in the war by civilians.

Ui:

I dont hate the Russians! Many people change in the war. But after the war the Russians in Hungary terrorize the citizens, and kill many. Read one book in this theme if you not belive me.

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[Schuultz]

I believe that we should not add the SS, the Panzer Elite is the disguised Waffen-SS.

Sorry, but I have to correct you here: The Panzer Elite is supposed to be the Panzer Lehr Division - Wehrmacht, not Waffen-SS.