OH Heavy Tanks

[Todstyak]

So are the OH Pz.IV, Panther and Tiger I equivalent to the Wehr versions (or PE vesion for the Panther) or do they have unique stats?

[The Failicus]

I don't know, but it feels like they have different stats, but I don't actually know. 
But, hey the Panzer IV feels just right! 

[m4chineSpirit]

I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

[Sotahullu]

Panzer IV's ambush skill is quite nasty. One shot from ambush almost killed T-70 (second shot killed).

But I like PzIII as it's cheap and veterancy upgrades makes it very nasty so I usually just spam those (hate me if you want!) althought 1 KV is often a better reason bring bigger cat's to play...

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

All 3 of them are specialised for anti tank duties. the stats were modified for this combat role (e.g. PzIV is close to US M10 combat stats).

[Jeff 'Robotnik' W.]

I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

that M10 had to have been vet 3  or something to do that lol

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

I mean the pzIV is a kind of cheap and good tank killer (when u compare prize and combat stats) like us m10.

[m4chineSpirit]

I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

that M10 had to have been vet 3  or something to do that lol

I am almost certain it was not, I was skirmishing with hard computer on Angoville to see how Ostheer plays (great in my opinion), computer even exposed its rear armor on retreat and saved me at least one shot. So, were there any changes to basic Panther armor stats? It might just have been a fluke.

[Jeff 'Robotnik' W.]

maybe jojo added back the unit health modifiers which the AI had

also, it doesnt matter which way an M10 faces, a panther will always penetrate it

im not sure if changes were made to panther armor stats though

[m4chineSpirit]

I know that Panther always penetrates M10, what I meant was that when M10 turned around, turret turned with it and disrupted his firing, he had at least one shot in him before it was scrap metal. Sorry for not being clear. It happens all the time with the AI, they neither save their tanks with such moves nor do they maximize damage.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

Panther penetrates M10 and sherman armour with every shot. A m10 takes 3 shots to die and Panthers take 5 shots.

The armour stats from Ostheer Tiger, Panther and Pz IV are equal to their Wehrmacht counterparts. However, their main gun is different:

Tiger I and Pz IV are armed with Pzgranate 39, which is an armour piercing shell. So both Tiger I and Pz IV sacrifice anti-infantry power for better performance against enemy tanks and for more attack range (45m compared to 40m). The Panther gun is unchanged and the same as the Wehrmacht/PE Panther gun.

In general: Tiger I is the strongest Ostheer tank in slugfests against IS 2s, T34 and ISU tanks because he has huge health and a powerful gun which can penetrate all soviet tanks reliably. The Panther is almost as strong in terms of damage/penetration, and it combines very good maneuverability with good accuracy (15% more on the move compared to other tanks). The PzIV is very useful for setting up flanks and ambushes with its cloak ability, and also decent against T34 and Shermans/Cromwells.

[Tom]

M10 misfire. The oldest bug ever. Iwonder why it wasnt fixed in this mod. Maybe because this mod wasnt intended to.be played as allies but anyways it.would be great to be fixed.
Any chance of seeing tournaments in the near future.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

M10 misfire. The oldest bug ever. Iwonder why it wasnt fixed in this mod. Maybe because this mod wasnt intended to.be played as allies but anyways it.would be great to be fixed.
Any chance of seeing tournaments in the near future.

It's a model issue and can't be fixed.

[Blackbishop]

The M10 in EF is using the CMP model that had that issue "fixed". And that's is as fixed as you will get it.

I use quotes because there is no real fix to that AFAIK, but it can be just reduced. So, it will happen from time to time, but not as common as it used to be.

[Tom]

How about replacing the model with a different one with a flawless gun but with the same stats.