Mines

[ford_prefect]

Just for the record it was Flippis who you had the long chat about Finland with. I think I just wondered into the scuffle and told you both to increase the love haha 

Also, about the last page of this should be done by PM methinks

Cheers

yeah there were alot of people at that debate (you all ganged up on me!!!!!!!!)
Post Merge: November 10, 2009, 01:24:59 AM(To all the sadistically Stalin wannabes, you can still run your men into the mines. )

great thanks!
I can't wait to throw 50 conscripts into a minfield to make way for the t-34's

[Loupblanc]

 The sad thing is, that's pretty much exactly what did happen.
 Men were considered a lot more disposable than tanks...
 The Soviets responded that it was warranted considering the
 need for wartime expediency and the typically low battlefield     
 life of their tanks. They were right, but... god damn!

Post Merge: November 10, 2009, 08:27:49 AM
 Voop_Bakon : But... ... the Presbyterians need to be in :p Wouldn't be eastern front without them being in-game. We must do something! :p
 
 Ford_Prefect : Finns/Hungarians. TOTALLY a shame. Germans being pure in the West, I understand.  Italians were busy down south. But the EAST? The east was truly a joint action.

 The two principal belligerent powers were Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The Soviet-Finnish Continuation War may be considered the northern flank of the Eastern Front. In addition, the joint German-Finnish operations across the northernmost Finnish-Soviet border and in the Murmansk
 region are also considered part of the Eastern Front.

 At least, I am not asking for the finns to have their own faction

 Call-ins would be perfect in this case.
 Yes, there's nothing I like more than beating a dead horse. They don't fight back :p

 Just kidding.

 !!! Fix your game! So I can blow you up repeatedly for my amusement!!

 SavageWorld:
 XP Mechanics. Actually, I was worried about the gigatons of soviet conscripts giving out too
 many XP to the opposing axis. Thank you much for the explanation, it is much appreciated

[ford_prefect]

(Ford_Prefect : Finns/Hungarians. TOTALLY a shame. Germans being pure in the West, I understand.  Italians were busy down south. But the EAST? The east was truly a joint action.)

hey I wanted Romanians so don't blame me I'm not a dev. If you want to learn more about that whole "other axis country" thing look down the forum. I think it may be on pg.1 or 2 or even 3.
Don't blame me and don't start another of these debates (these can go up to 50 posts or more)

Post Merge: November 10, 2009, 02:35:30 PMIts on pg.2 of eastern front mod general discussion

[Loupblanc]

 Logic is then that is what the DEVs wanted all along
 Another pure German faction That's why they made
 the soviets. Not out of interest, but so they would have
 an excuse to put more germans.

 Which is why they're against more finnish/hungarians.
 It goes against that whole idea.

 Logical, yes?

 Note that quite a few of the DEVs are german
 
 It is odd, though. Hmm, The west was mostly german
 with a tiny bit of Italian help, Africa, the same. German
 core, with a lot more (innefectual) italians. Italian campaign
 also has italians of course, with the Germans being the
 core.

 But in the East... you had a LOT more countries helping out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29

 Rumania, Bulgaria, Finland, the Czhech republic, Italy, Hungaria, Slovakia (and perhaps more) Norway ! were
 a part of the conflict. Enough pure german factions
 already. USA has only 1, isn't it time to allow other
 factions a peek? Although, yes. Germans should definitively
 be the core of the East Front. Don't see finnish, etc
 having their own faction But call-ins would be quite
 suitable

 Someone made a Ostheer suggestion where Army group
 north would have Finnish call-ins and Army group south
 would have Hungarian call-ins, for example. What is wrong
 with that?

 Otherwise, it gives the impression that it was the whole
 world against germany, and germany alone.

 Please?

[ford_prefect]

I don't have any power in making this and I think the reason the devs are not responding is that it has been said 50 million times want to hear it "no" (that is a quote from a dev)

[BurroDiablo]

Its up to us as a group, so far we haven't discussed adding in an Allied-country call in but that's because we've barely even discussed the Ostheer. I'm in favour of a Finnish/Hungarian/Romanian etc call in (I mean, the Brits call in Canadian units), but not an entire Faction.

[ford_prefect]

Its up to us as a group, so far we haven't discussed adding in an Allied-country call in but that's because we've barely even discussed the Ostheer. I'm in favour of a Finnish/Hungarian/Romanian etc call in (I mean, the Brits call in Canadian units), but not an entire Faction.

realy great!!!!! so would that mean a army group north would have finish support

army group center would have slovakians, Italians, hungarians

and army group shouth would have Romania???

[Loupblanc]

 BurroDiablo : ! That's exactly what I said
 I don't see Finnish, etc having a whole faction to themselves, but I feel the OstHeer should be heavily multinational. Call-ins  would be pretty sweet. Even perhaps, Finnish tanks But that would be limited to, say, 2. And
would be sorta equal to StuG/Hetzel, or StuH42/105.
Nothing overpowered. Just a little flavor thrown in, yknow?
 
 Shush! He said no a whole faction, but perhaps call-ins!!!
 
 Whoo-hoo !

 Ostheer says it all, though, no? Eastern Army


 

[Voop_Bakon]

Put in Slavs and ill give you an e-cookie, and maybe even a generous donation 

I, along with my family, was born Yugoslavia, so having the balkans represented in any way would be amazing 

[Loupblanc]

 I'm game for that
 Although, hmm... did Yougoslavia fight against the
 soviets??? If it's historical, I'm all for it. I seem to recall
 the Yougoslavs were pretty much #1 Partisans
 (Although they were hugging 4-way civil war for awhile)

 - I am thoroughly amazed they didn't completely wipe
 one another out, seriously. Tito and that... other dude...
 (The croatian one was really something, though).

 If anything, make the partisans Yugoslavs

[Voop_Bakon]

Yah, it was bad but its gotten better, sort of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Front_%28World_War_II%29

Shameless wiki post. Though notice how it says Yugoslav partisans and the soviet involvement, right at '44-'45

Just and idea 

[Aouch]

Mhhh, seems like at least one DEV changed his mind.
Around 2 months ago, if you only said Finns, you were literally spammed with answers like "NOES!!!11 NEVAR EVAR!11!!!" 

I could see them as Doctrin-Units (however, not every doctrin should have one foreign-call-in-unit) or as part of the reward-system.
Implementing those non-German-units into the Reward Unit system is IMO even the best way.
So noone who wants to play a pure German Ostheer is forced to have Yugoslavian/Hungarian/Romanian units.

But I'm against any kind of Partisans on the Ostheer-side. Sorry, but the Red Army already has them, so I see no need in giving it to the Ostheer, too. They have to be regular fighting forces. Maybe Chetniks count as regulars, maybe they don't...

So as far as I'm concerned, I think Finns and a Hungarian/Yugoslavic regular infantry unit are enough. Maybe a tank, Toldi as replacement for PzKpfW. II, TACAM T-60 for Marder II, 41M Turán II (for PzKpfW. IV) or LT vzor 38 (model WIP).

Look at my Ostheer proposal, I think I've found a nice compromise. 

BUT: This doesn't belong into this thread and also most of the foreign-countries-supporting-Ostheer-stuff was already mentioned!

[Loupblanc]

 Thread, uh?
 I think Ostheer should have finnish, hungarian call-ins.
 (Even if they are alternate rewards) if only to soak up
 mines so that the true-blood germans don't need to
 soil their hands with such matters

 How's THAT ?

[ford_prefect]

 Thread, uh?
 I think Ostheer should have finnish, Hungarian call-ins.
 (Even if they are alternate rewards) if only to soak up
 mines so that the true-blood germans don't need to
 soil their hands with such matters

 How's THAT ?

Romanians took on a larger role than Hungry, and also Italy (some people think that Romanina did more in ww2 than the Italians because of the large amount of petroleum that they gave to German tanks)

[Loupblanc]

 I heard rumanians also gave syphillis to a lot of Soviets, lol.
 When soviets rolled in, they captured germans with tons of
 prophylactics (spel?) in their pockets. Laughed at germans
 for being such horndogs. Within two months, tons of
 venerial casualties. Ugh. Too, in those days, it wasn't the
 lame VD we got now. I'm talking life-threatening here.