Mod plan: COH Chinese battlefield

[Seeme]

How did easternfront get its own page?

[Akalonor]

They pay for it I think ,

[Newbie.]

heh, i'll think i'll have a try, main thing i can do is suggestions as my vCOH Pack isn't with me atm. [] I'll send  a add.

[moknin]

Do you use 3d max for the models and animations ??

I use 3D max for the models but I dont know how to make animation nor skin them
believe me, include today its my fourth day to use the 3d max......

Heres are the first two model I made:


"Box cannon" Mauser Military Pistol (actually its an Astra 900, a Spanish copy of Mauser C96 which extensively equipped and homemade by the Chinese armies along the regular C96s in 1930s)


Astro 903 machine pistol, aka "20 shots", or auto C96, was the equal of submachine gun in the National Revolutionary Army

[Newbie.]

Those are EPIC Models! Can't wait to see what Rifles etc model'd are.

So, the auto mauser pistol is the main SMG of the NRA? Nice/

[moknin]

Nice idea! Just a suggestion, Whampoa cadet, Instead of upgrading to the Thompson, i'd say MP18, Light tank, i think the PanzerI was supplied to china? [It'd have MG's, redcing Chinese AT Capablity] or the Carden-Loyd, the FT17.

Can't wait to see a Japanese-Chinese mod, if it ever happens.

Yeah, the Panzer I was used by China also, there's missing a Bazooka squad...  I don't know a s...t about chinese history so i don't know how to represent the infantry.

Where would you put the Panzer I?? I would say t2; but I think that Dodge GMC 3/4(or Dodge GMC M31 I don't know exactly which one is) fit that role.

In my originally plan the Panzer 1 WAS the doctrinal tank for Central faction. It was planned to have AP bullets ability and is perfect to reflect the German influence within the NRA (My original dream is to see Chinese use German tank to scarp the Japanese junk )

BUT the NRA only bought 10 of them and all were lost in the Battle for Nanking, so to add in the more numerical M3 stuarts would be more realistic

Post Merge: June 18, 2010, 07:19:26 PM

Now I remember, animals would be hard to animate, are you sure that you want to use animals :-S. But I remember read somewhere in this forum about a german soldier riding a donkey...

I retract about using that italian light tank, I was reading about the T-26 and it could take its role; it had been upgraded at the time was used and I list some of them; some could be granted by doctrine though.

Abilities:
- AP Shells.
- Flank Speed.
- Mark Target(like schwimmwagen).

Upgrades:
- Anti-aircraft MG(Top MG).
- KhT-133 flamethrower(replaces main turret).
- TOP-1/TOS telescopic(like Spotting Scope in hetzer, improved optics, it could be on two levels first TOP-1 and then TOS).
- Armor upgrade(like armor skirts more hp, it could be implemented on vet1 perhaps).

Another upgrades:
- 76.2 mm KT tank gun mod/artillery tank(replaces main turret).
- KMT-26 mine roller.
- 71-TK-1 radio station(for US naval artillery call-ins).

China just used the "T-26 model 1933" but with most of these upgrades could make it a better support tank.

China use the type F vickers(47 mm gun+7.7 mm Vickers MG+Marconi Type G2A radio), but I don't think it would be necessary to include the vickers 6-tons.

I also think that some infantry could use "Button enemy vehicle".

What about doctrine call-ins of M4A1(76mm) shermans instead of M3 Stuart. You could use stuarts as T2 anti-infantry unit along with T-26 and Tier 3 with L&L vehicles and elite infantry, i.e. the M4 sherman and the M18 Hellcat.

Buildings:
- Company Headquarter.
- Recruit Post (like a bunker perhaps ).
- Arsenal.
- Stable.
- Workshop.
- Field hospital.

T0:
- Peasants/Militia.
- Recruit Officers.

T1:
- Footman.
- CCKW truck.
- Dodge GMC3/4(Bren like armor).
- Type 24 HMG Support Team.

T2:
- Stuart/T-26.
- Type 31 60mm mortar.
- Pak 36.

T3:
- Combat Medic.
- Dare-to-die troops.
- M4 Sherman(after some L&L upgrade, "ultimate non-doctrinal chinese AI").
- M18 Hellcat(after some L&L upgrade, "ultimate non-doctrinal chinese AT").

EDIT: Perhaps there's only place for one light tank, but I prefer the T-26 over the M3 Stuart, it is more versatile.

Sorry but I dont get the tier system....? My idea is that the Chinese can freely build all the main building they like just like the Soviets. So that may not necessarily be a tier system

The Recruit Post is the result of the recruit officers squad being deploy. It MAY looks like a bunker in the sense that they can defend themselves but it would be only the personal weapon of the squad members.

About tank: T-26 and "button tank" seem a good idea. However I object the addition of M4 and M18:
1. In reality they were primarily equipped to the Chinese Expeditionary Forces that was sent to Burma, not mainland China itself. And if the Chinese is to be modelled after the CEF than it would just mean a simple copy of US
2. The concept for Chinese is to emphasize on infantry, and the use of M4 and M18 are opposed to this concept: They are simply TOO powerful that the NRA tactic would be degenerated into another European-style armor-oriented and lost its uniqueness
3. If the M4 and M18 are to be non-doctrinal is it mean that they can be mass produce? That, again, oppose to the concept, and dont forget that the Chinese was never able to produce tank in the entire war
Post Merge: June 18, 2010, 07:27:35 PM

Those are EPIC Models! Can't wait to see what Rifles etc model'd are.

So, the auto mauser pistol is the main SMG of the NRA? Nice/

Yes, coz before the war an arm embargo was place which forbidden the importation of SMG into China,but pistol was not in the list. Therefore the local modified/ Spain Astra/ original design C96 which have selective fire capacity become kind of a SMG for the Chinese. Of course there were some other real SMGs in China as well (like MP-18) but they are just not as famous as those "20 shots" in China

I havent start on rifle yet, cant find a good quality frontal & rear& side photos of the Hanyang 88
Post Merge: June 19, 2010, 11:37:40 AMAnd: OMG did I just see "call in US naval support"? There was no US naval presence in the Chinese theater! Not to mention that most of the Chinese front line was just so inland that effective naval support is impossible

[Newbie.]

just noticed, the 'Big Sword Troops' [lol]

i think it's a bit hard to animate meele combat... so what would they be? like a large squad of lieutenants?

[moknin]

just noticed, the 'Big Sword Troops' [lol]

i think it's a bit hard to animate meele combat... so what would they be? like a large squad of lieutenants?

Thats why this concept is just a draft......
Originally the big sword troops are kinda a desperate measure employed by the northern warlord and some NRA units who was unable to equip all their men with guns. However when utilize in good hand they were surprisingly successful.
The most famous use of big sword troops was in the 1933  defense of Xifengkuo by the 29 Army, where 500 specially selected troops who armed only with grenades and big swords (Dadao) launched a night assault against Japanese position. Before the Japanese found out, at least a hundred sleeping Japanese soldiers have already been chopped. Even when the well-armed Japanese engaged the big sword troops, they are unable to sent in artillery support and tanks in such chaos, and the Japanese bolt action rifles and bayonets proven inefficient to against the Dadao in melee warfare, which were weirded by men specialize in martial art. The attack soon become a victory for the 29th Army. There was even one song composed in the war in memory of the battle
As the only form of identification in night is touching, to identify friendly soldiers in night assaults, legend have said that the unit were ordered to UNDRESS in combat -- so if uniforms were touched they must be the enemy......Perhap we should made them cloakable?

[namnam]

Might start some work on the Japanese. Not very familiar with this so might be messed up.

[cephalos]

just noticed, the 'Big Sword Troops' [lol]

i think it's a bit hard to animate meele combat... so what would they be? like a large squad of lieutenants?

that's not a problem. guys from zombie COH mod used granate throw animation as hitting, so removing granate and giving sword to hand would be possible.

[moknin]

hey folks I have published the Japanese concept in the first page and updated some aspects in the NRA concept:
- The upgrade for NRA medic to pick up enemy wound is cancelled
- Warlord faction - Zapai army: add a new first ability "Trap awareness" – All infantry can detect and disarm landmines when static
- Dong River column and Gong Bing can detect and disarm mine
- The unit CCKW truck is cancelled, represent now by an upgrade which allow artillery piece to be towed/carried by ox

[Newbie.]

Nice work witht he IJA Concept, might give some suggestions.

I don't know much about the IJA... Or if these units saw action in china, but...

Type 5 Chi-Ri... Basiclly a upgrade on a medium tank, armed with a 75mm gun.However, it has very poor armour.

Type 1 Ho-ha... Basiclly a halftrack. Maybe a reward unit for the truck?
[Armour and a MG at the cost of speed + more cost ]

[moknin]

Nice work witht he IJA Concept, might give some suggestions.

I don't know much about the IJA... Or if these units saw action in china, but...

Type 5 Chi-Ri... Basiclly a upgrade on a medium tank, armed with a 75mm gun.However, it has very poor armour.

Type 1 Ho-ha... Basiclly a halftrack. Maybe a reward unit for the truck?
[Armour and a MG at the cost of speed + more cost ]

Type 5: well this tank was not developed beyond prototype......What a shame coz its completion would meant that the IJA would finally have something to up against the Allies armor

but the Type 1 is a good idea. Perhap make it into an upgrade to the truck?

[namnam]

Found out alot about Japanese vehicles. Most of them were outdated or never produced. There were however two tanks, a light and a medium, which were widely used and not that bad.

Type95 Ha-Go light tank which later was updated with a 57 mm low velocity gun from the other tank (below) It wasn't the exact same, but not that different. 

Type 97 Chi-Ha 57mm tank gun, widely used and almost the only Japanese tank to be mass-produced. It was later a "base-model" for many other tanks and self-propelled-guns.

None of these were produced in many high numbers, but they might be units you can get under one of the doctrines?

[Newbie.]

he put in both of them i think. XD.

With the type 1. Just had a idea, like how we upgrade the T-34/76 to manufacture T-34/85's? Basically same, just Truck-To-Type-1.

Few more suggestions xD!

Forced labour - dunno if this is possible, but when the officer dies, they 'change team' to the Chinese, arming one of them with the officer's pistol and their tools?

Unit:

Royale Sniper

3 men in a sharpshooter squad.

1 Spotter, armed with a Type38. 1 Sniper, armed with a Scoped Type I rifle, and a radio operator, armed with a Nambu.

Can call in airstrikes from Zero Fighters, aslong as the radio operator is alive.

The Snipe ris unique as it must use it's 'LOAD RIFLE' Ablity before firing,
ABLITIES:

Load Rifle

Loads the Sniper's rifle, so it can fire ONCE.
5 Munitions

Call in Zero'

Calls in a strafing run from a Zero Fighter.

REQUIREMENTS: RADIO OPERATOR ALIVE.

Cost: 20 MUNI. 35 FUEL.

Big Sword troop ideas

'CAUSE DISRUPTION'

Cause's a fake random disruption on a point of the map, such as 'Mine's Found' 'Sniper Spotted' 'Unit Under Attack', confusing the enemy.


for a AT Squad [Japan]

Upgrade the 20mm AT Rifles to the more powerful, Type 4 70mm AT Rockets.

EDIT: The T4 was never used in china, my bad.

I'll think some more stuff up xD!
Post Merge: June 19, 2010, 08:50:59 PMne wunits:

Specialist Greandier Squad

4 men, 3 Armed with Type44 Carbines and 1 with a Type 10 Greande Discharger.

Ablitys:

FIRE TYPE 91:

Fire's a Type 91 Handgreande.

FIRE TYPE 11:

Fire's a Type 11 Smoke Greande.

FIRE TYPE 10 FLARE & SIGNAL:

Fire's the Type 10 Flare & Signal Greande, temporary locking down any allied sectors.

TYPE TYPE 91P:

Fire's a Type 91 Pryotenic Greande.

FIRE TYPE10B:

Firer's a fake Blank Type10 Greande, suppresing nearby squads.