Veterancy

[bopokippo]

Ok I'm just trying to say that veterancy for units is really lackluster compared to U.S.
I understand that maybe it should be a little weaker because of the Command Squad bonuses (btw what bonuses do these exactly give for each defensive or offensive vet?), but I still feel that for some units like conscripts, that things like vet 3 should really be good considering how difficult it is to get vet as them. Just slightly better veterancy would be great for me.

On a side note , I got vet 3 conscripts today for the first time. It was a 4v4 compstomp with all experts and I only made a conscript, command squad, sniper ace, and KV-2. The Command squad got vet 3 offensive and my conscripts got an amazing 35 kills (full rifles). They got helped by some molotovs and combined with the (45 kills) command squad with off. vet 3, the full rifles demolished volks and grens. The sniper ace got 70 kills.

[Pac-Fish]

Originally conscripts were not suppose to recieve vet (the scary days of 1.5 ) so the fact they have vet now is suppose to be a plus. However I too have no idea what the vet for SU units are. Its never really explained anywhere. IMO there should be a specific, locked page for it

[bopokippo]

eh my info was from the patch notes 1.6 page on the changed veterancy notes so that's that but yeah, agreed. Some list should be there. However, from the Command Squad Vet and weak individual unit vet, it encourages relative blobbing and makes it hard to spread out (like the vetted riflemen which can cap like no end and are strong individually, especially with nades and BARs). I mean, vet 1 conscripts get like a reduction in reinforcement? It seems really weak. 

[Pac-Fish]

The veterancy for CS doesnt encourage blobbing . Its a GLOBAL veterancy effect, so no matter where you are in the battlefield, you recieve tha bonus. Its like Wehr vet. Always applies to your troops, so long as the CS is alive 

[bopokippo]

WOW!!! :O I never knew that! I thought it was like lieutenants

[stealthattack1]

if of course you can vet up your CS. which i personally try and fail.

[GodlikeDennis]

Not only do Soviets have a little weaker vet than US, they get it quite a bit faster too. You'll have more vet3 squads running around than a US player would.

[777mais777]

What receive other armies ( bonus ) for the level of CS?

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

As far as I know the CS veterancy only affects your own units, not allied units.

[777mais777]

As far as I know the CS veterancy only affects your own units, not allied units.

What receive my armies ( bonus ) for the level of CS? (sorry)

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

Each level in offensive: +10% dmg, each level in defensive: -10% received damage. However, I havent found the values in Corsix, this is from my memory and I dont claim to be right on this.

[bopokippo]

Not only do Soviets have a little weaker vet than US, they get it quite a bit faster too. You'll have more vet3 squads running around than a US player would. And are you sure they get it faster? because my conscripts hit vet 2 at 15 kills and vet 3 at 30, which seems average for a riflemen squad.

Are you sure? Maybe its fine for red-banner-strelky and guards, but conscripts I feel could really use a buff in veterancy, considering how fast they die usually.

Each level in offensive: +10% dmg, each level in defensive: -10% received damage. However, I havent found the values in Corsix, this is from my memory and I dont claim to be right on this.

Hmm... Seems a bit weak. Was expecting more of something like PE veterancy.

[Pac-Fish]

Are you kidding? 10% plus in off or def is huge once it starts stacking up with other veterancy . I honestly dont know any veterancy bonuses for SU units but lets take Conscripts for example. At veterancy 3 they get like +20% to attack efficiency (something like that). Add that to 7 rifles from FTML and a additional +20% from say the CS and you are looking at a total of +40% offensive bonus with 7 rifles . And they are cheap to reinforce.

That also means your vanilla units can reciee a additional +30% to any region. And then some (for example, RBS)

PE vet IMO gives you a small bonus but for serveral regions. CS vet gives you a large bonus but for one region.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

CS vet 1 also unlocks the heroic charge ability, the CS Artystrike and grants a bonus on you manpower upkeep. Getting veterancy on your CS is really powerful, you should always try to get him to high vet levels.

The values are multiplied with each other, means individual bonuses become even stronger when combined with CS vet. They also make most your units quite a huge bit tougher.
You'll notice the quite huge difference between dual def vet Shock Guards and Guards without command vet bonus.

[Cranialwizard]

Conscripts shouldn't be the main stay of your army in the late game anyway.