Comp stomp

[jcraven33]

I enjoy playing the comp, but at hard the hard level I cannot imagine what would be required to beat the soviets with germany. I use FOW cheat, pause to see what is being developed so I can counter, and even then the overwhelming mass of infantry by the 10-15 minute mark is just incredible. I would give anything to see a good player as Germany against hard or expert Soviet on Angoville with the new patch. I know you can't post comp stomp replay in the replay section so I am not sure where I might be able to get one of the experts to partake in the challenge? If it's not possible I understand. Maybe some advice then. I would imagine mg's to block them from fuel and in the buildings, but they cocktail me with a 2nd unit (Ai is getting craftier everyday it seems :-) or cocktail the building and when I exit they pounce hard and force a retreat with maybe one survivor. I mine all over the place, I guess I could just go for quick AC to wipeout infantry but I would like to accomplish other ways if possible. Thanks for any input.

[Pac-Fish]

The AI get more resources as you go up in difficulty which is why you may be experiencing this............. dilemma

[jcraven33]

I checked out the numbers. On normal it is easy for me, but hard just blankets the field. I am going to do expert just so i can laugh my ass off at the whole battlefield being covered in soviets over running me LOL

[Pac-Fish]

I checked out the numbers. On normal it is easy for me, but hard just blankets the field.

Hard AI = 125% more MP
Expert AI = 150% more MP

That is why bridge maps are so desirable. Since so many units swarm the field, people need a easy solution to contain the enemy.

I accept your challenge to beat the Soviet AI on hard or expert

[jcraven33]

Cool. Let me know if it was easy for you (like first or second attempt success) or if it challenging even for the better players. Thanks. I look forward to seeing how it goes 

[Pac-Fish]

It'll please you to know I have completed the task you requested . I did it on the 1st attempt

Edit: I was Wehr against SU Hard AI on Langres with 500VP so it is possible on a balanced map (compared to a bridge map) but its hard  . I'll try PE later

[Dann88]

Where is the proof, man?

[jcraven33]

I believe him....but I want replays so I can see where I am going so wrong. I just dont understand what I am missing   

[Tehcumseh]

I'm not that good but playing as Wehr on Leningrad i couldn't block of the bridges fast enough to stop an onslaught of 2 russian enemy's on Normal. My pioneers just die too fast then i cant put up buildings and if i do get them my MG's/Volks die so fast do to mass hoards of Conscripts/Ingy/Command Squad. I'm not even sure how to stop them on Normal 

[Pac-Fish]

I took out Hard AI SU on Angoville as PE with 500 VP just now . Pretty hard  . So it IS possible, just requires some work

Replay? Well, I was having a......strange conversation with someone in my Wehr Game but here is the PE game:

Its a pretty long game (and certainly not my best played game >_<). Bring popcorn . Oh and just so you know I forgot to uncheck Schwimm and Hetzer from my last game which is why they're there XD

[Dann88]

Our conservation ruined your game? Sorry

[Pac-Fish]

No it's just that I'd rather keep it private . I'll play another game for jcraven33 so that he can learn (even though my 1st game had an epic Tiger Ace destroying everything  . I really like the TA now)

Edit: Okay so here is a new Wehr game I played on Semois. Same scenario as b4. Pretty short game (alot of carnage on SU side )

[Dann88]

@Fish: yeah, that's why it's a PM:P
jcraven33: AI hate snipers, they will try to preserve their squads and retreat from 1-3 sniper shots, give you more room to breath. After that try to have 2 Puma to deal with mass infantry, let them run around the map and kill everything on sight, just don't lost Puma and you can build more stuffs and win. You don't have to apply any specific tatic to AI, just keep cool head and win

[Otto Halfhand]

... You don't have to apply any specific tactic to AI, just keep cool head and win

+1

Hi guys! From what I am reading here it sounds like quite a few people are having difficulty coming to grip with Sov AI. Here are some suggestions that may help you turn the Red Tide:

•     "Know your enemy" -Sun Tzu: Play as the Sov faction and learn how the Heer AI factions work. If you easily defeat Wher or PE increase the AI difficulty. Watch how the AI operates at various levels. Then Switch back to play vs Sov's
• "Know yourself" -Sun Tzu: The AI is very inflexible (rigid?). It is all to easy to find a strat or Doctrine that beats the AI at almost any level. PE Scorched Earth is the most effective Doctrine to use against AI. Don't use it. Don't use Your favorite Strats. Don't use Doctrines at all. (When you have learned this lesson then Ignore my advice and Play as you please -The object IS to have fun). Be Flexible.
• "An Army marches on its stomach" Napoleon. Pay attention to your Economy. The AI receives that 1.25 or 1.5 multiplier on MP, muni and FP.  In pvp good tactics overcome good economics. Not so in stomp play. The AI has the numbers on its side in resources and as a tactical advantage. (The AI responds 8 times a second. Human response time is 1/sec average). It is necessary to use your economy. Cost effectively. "Psst! Here's a little secret"  - I can't use Corsix but I can read LUA (aka SCAR) files. I don't read  the unit stats. I Study the AI routines and programming; The AI runs on a economics based model for almost everything. Its not the best model to use because it can't react quickly enough to events happening on the map. In this regard the human player has the tactical advantage in response time).
• "Those who do not Learn the Lessons of History are Doomed to repeat it" -George Santa Anna: All to often I see the words: "Its not History its a game". Each of my suggestions has a Historically relevant adage associated with it. -the lessons of History. The difficulties you'all describe in this thread relative to difficulty levels and the CPU mode baffle me. I always play at Hard or expert level and frequently 3v4 AI or 2v3 AI. I win maybe 80% of the time.

Maybe George was right. Hope this helps.

[Pac-Fish]

IMO you are worrying too much about your economy. Is it important? Sure. Can it make or break a game? Most definetly! But while you're playing you don't sit there saying to yourself "Alrightly, I bought 3 volks squads and 2 snipers. Therefore my opponent must have maybe....errr.....(pulls out calculator)....ah! 6.54 conscript squads!"

That doesn't happen in RL. We all know your opponent has more things in general. Simply getting things that supposedly stop spam don't work all that well (MG). You need to utilize cover to over power your opponent as Axis and not panic which in turn will prepare you for PvP. In my Hard AI games I had like what, 1 MG that I usually lost and never got back? Its all about micro and counters. The AI can make as many conscripts as it wants, as long as it has no AT, my Tiger Ace will destroy everything.

And you don't necessarily need to pay both sides to know how to win. it's helpful but not required. I have a friend who's been kicking my ass as PE lately and he's played US like once and lost XD.