Partisans vs Black Sea marines

[Ipazza]

I don't really get the Partisans. Those were farmers that picked up guns. But in EF they are better equipped and trained than the regular German soldiers?

I think they should keep the partisans, but as a ambush/demolish/stealth unit and also put in the awesome Black Sea Marines. (* leave out the freaking flametrhowerupgrade for engineers!)

Maybe a paradrop unit, capable of upgrading with PTR AT guns (much like the US airborne, but less strong, no re enforcement through air, elite unit)

Any thoughts?

[Rokossovski]

I think black sea marines could be interesting maybe with special water abilities.

[Saavedra]

The Red Army did not use paratroopers.


Also, Partisans should be armed with a mix of weapons, instead of all armed with PPSH. Something like a mix of rifles and SMGs, maybe one or two men with pistols or with no weapons at all.

[UeArtemis]

The Red Army used paratroopers ("descenders" - десантники, desantniki), but never successfully.
Naval Infantrymen are more famous in the Second World War.

[Ipazza]

http://www.2worldwar2.com/russia.htm [nofollow] and http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaarticlesww2russiaparatroops.htm [nofollow]

facts i guess.

Russia trained millions of paratroopers. I thought they were black sea marines, but they were normal troops aswell. Giving them paratroopers should be fun.

[Polkovnik_Petr]

The red army did use paratroopers, not much though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper#Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Airborne_Troops#Interwar_and_World_War_II

So paratroopers are not a bad idea.

[Ipazza]

One problem,

How to implement it in the game ?

My idea 6 man squad

4 rifles
2 Mg's

upgraded to

2 rifles
2 Mg's
2 PTR's

When upgraded they lose effectiveness vs infantry.

Abilities
- upgrade to PTR (at guns)
- Suppression unblock, heriocchargy (something like that)

[ford_prefect]

The Red Army did not use paratroopers.


Also, Partisans should be armed with a mix of weapons, instead of all armed with PPSH. Something like a mix of rifles and SMGs, maybe one or two men with pistols or with no weapons at all.

they don't have all PSSH's scroll down and pres alt and you will see a bunch of guns

[stufu]

red army used para drops!!!!! airborne units born in ww2 and become elite in the same war!!!!  cause soviet army had in WW2 long range aviation why they had no airborne units??)

[Saavedra]

The red army did use paratroopers, not much though.

So paratroopers are not a bad idea.

This is a mod based on Enemy at the Gates, and the most famous Russian method of war. I don´t see the incredibly obscure Russian paratroopers EVER being implemented.

Nevermind the fact that that would be stepping on the American Airborne´s toes, and the Russians are already stepping pretty hard on the Brits´.

[Blue]

Russians were the first to use gliders effectively in combat. Though this would cause all Brit players to scream bloody murder if a glider was ever within the Soviet's reach.

[thebomb]

This is a mod based on Enemy at the Gates, and the most famous Russian method of war.

This mod is definitely not and should not under any circumstances be "based" on Enemy at the Gates. The whole thing is a joke to anyone even remotely familiar with military history.

I don´t see the incredibly obscure Russian paratroopers EVER being implemented.

Nevermind the fact that that would be stepping on the American Airborne´s toes, and the Russians are already stepping pretty hard on the Brits´.

You said that the Soviets did not use paratroopers and that's where the replies contradicting you came from. In actual fact the Soviets were the second to experiment with airborne forces (after the Italians) and the first to use them on a large scale basis. In any event, there's plenty of potential for Soviet airborne forces in this mod. They could certainly be implemented in a way where they wouldn't have overlapping roles with American paratroopers.

[Artillerist]

Yep, that would be great!

Crying "Polundra!!!!", "black demons" will rush the enemy without any fear

Very nice uniform indeed.

[ford_prefect]

"This is a mod based on Enemy at the Gates, and the most famous Russian method of war. I don´t see the incredibly obscure Russian paratroopers EVER being implemented"
Saavedra do not EVER say that again you just puked on every person who likes this mod and every single dev.

[UeArtemis]

Well, this mod isn't realistic, so it is based on "Enemy at the Gates" stereotypes.