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Offline WartyX

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 08:41:14 PM »
Type 'DShK' into google images then.

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2009, 09:30:41 PM »
it's postwar ДШКМ or an anti-air version, not of infantry.
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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2009, 09:46:11 PM »
We have a BA-64 model, I made some skins for it, but I'm not sure if we'll add it at this late stage. Can always push...



This the one your talking about?

Personally I dont mind waiting for you guys to finish this vehicle,

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2009, 10:03:48 PM »
It isn't necesarily that it takes extra time to put the vehicle in. The Soviets are already well balanced without a light vehicle. Who needs special equipment for recon when you have an unlimited amount of Conscripts?

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2009, 10:25:06 PM »
Go play CoH, you will find...

Flakvierling - Anti Air, primarily used in an Anti-Infantry role
Wirblewind - Anti Air, primarily used in an Anti-Infantry role
.50 Quad - Anti Air, primarily used in an Anti-Infantry role
Bofors - Anti Air, primarily used in an Anti-Infantry role

See a pattern emerging? A tripod DShK wouldn't be out of place.

This is from 1941... looks quite capable of shooting infantry.





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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2009, 10:29:24 PM »
I am not against tripod. I simply said that it was rarity. I think that green Maxims on tripod will be good too, for example.

P.S. The Soviet is't "well balanced". There is no systematic. For example, your Red Army doesn't have anti-sniper unit.
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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2009, 10:34:49 PM »
It isn't necesarily that it takes extra time to put the vehicle in. The Soviets are already well balanced without a light vehicle. Who needs special equipment for recon when you have an unlimited amount of Conscripts?

i agree with WartyX, conscripts can be used for recon, because they dont cost any population and can be produced in massive numbers because of that

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2009, 10:36:21 PM »
P.S. The Soviet is't "well balanced". There is no systematic.

What makes you say that?

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2009, 10:59:36 PM »
Well, a balance isn't only a differentiation of Tiers. There is what I call as gameplay roles.

Scout units are first vehicles in a game and they are anti-snipers. Who needs Kettenkrad when you have the Scout Car? But we need it because there is a system. We can build Kettenkrad always, but it is unarmed. And we need some building for the Scout Cars.

A number of roles is same in all armies. An example of roles is an AI-tank role: Ostwind, Crocodile, Panzer IV of the PE. Of course, roles can be mixed or distribute (as British do), but a sum of all roles are always same.
But, possibly, there is a small exception for doctrines ^_^

Who needs Hordes of Conscripts and a handful of guards if they have a same role, but only different powers? Should be different capabilities (is it a right word?), not just different powers. For example, Volks are a closebattle units (after an upgrade), and Grenadiers aren't and can be an AT-infantry. It is different roles, not just the "veterans and newbies" idea.

And last: every units should can be useful even in a late game, because all roles are unique in army.
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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2009, 11:51:32 PM »
Conscripts are useful late game. The Shock Factor of being able to triple your infantry force (which is going to be primarily Strelky and Guards) with minimal cost is a massive advantage.

Guards have a strong anti-tank role (only being mediocre at killing infantry) and Strelky can be upgraded with SMG's and LMG's to take on light vehicles and infantry.

There are 'anti-sniper' units - even if it isn't a complete clone of the current factions as you are suggesting. Large squads are used as cannon fodder to draw fire, by which your Sharpshooter team guns down the German Sniper.

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2009, 01:23:43 PM »
This is one reason why I think this mod is goin to be so interesting.

The fact that the Soviets dont just have an "opposite" to what the current factions have. You need new tactics and the lot if you want to win with them. Like the difference between the original factions and the Opposing Fronts ones.

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2009, 06:08:21 PM »
Yes, fresh meat for snipers is interesting.  :P
An "opposite" is in the WCII. CoH factions need a systematic analysis. Do not confuse this with a mirror system.
Especially, I am afraid that only one tactic will be possible for the Soviets.
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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2009, 08:18:51 PM »
how can you say something like "unbalanced" without playing EF before? it's hard to figure out how everything works ingame. lets just wait and see...

another question: is there a / what's the russian detector unit?
Jagd[tiger] is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2009, 08:33:39 PM »
There is no detector unit... yet. If we ever add the BA-64, that will probably be the detector unit.

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Re: Russian jeep
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2009, 09:02:22 PM »
detector=scout unit =)
Yes, all is balanced. ;)

I'm studying a systems analyst at the Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Management. I look theoretically at it. Of course, you can do/make something, and then check it in practice. And Russian do so, but you're not Russians :)

We found that there is no detector, I think it's not all problems.

   
But seriously, I know that you do not listen to me. Of course, you will not remake your tremendous work. Just pay attention to detector.
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