quanitity vs quality. T34 op

[crytek7]

Okay, first off the T34 is good balanced in most cases. but quantity is a little bit overrated / exaggerated in the MOD.  at the same time the Tiger's superiority is understated.

For example 3 T34s vs 1 Tiger and the Tiger will lose for only one T34 lost. In other words the Tiger is nearly worthless? and when 3 T34s attack one Panther, not even a single T34 is lost for a destroyed Panther.

I know the best way is to out number german tanks but i think the T34 does too much damage on the frontal armor. we have to consider even though this is only a game but anyway in real the T34 (i mean the short gun) could not penetrate Tigers/Panthers frontal armor only side and rear. i know this is game/mod is not based on realism but 3 T34s for 1 Tiger....that's too much overrated. I mean the Tiger is too expensive to be lost for only 3 cheap tanks...

[Fuhrious]

You're looking at this tank battle in a vacuum. If three T34's are allowed to circle the tiger at will then yes they would probably own it as you said. But in any reasonable game contest there will also be support units nearby. The true power of the tiger is it's ability to strike in and deliver short devastating blows at little risk to itself before being backed off for repairs etc. If you rush your tiger in on a suicide mission and it gets encircled then you will simply suffer the consequences.

Also worth mentioning it's main gun's devastating effect on infantry which sets it well apart from normal tanks.

[Capt. Malashenko]

Tiger should have better preformance against T-34, right now it`s a waste of resources to call it in, better make 3 PaK`s and get instant kill. If someone would ask me (as they don`t) range on tigers and KT`s should be at least 60, not spit range like now...

[crytek7]

@Fuhrious no i didn't attack with one Tiger the enemy attacked me with 3 T34s somewhere on the map where my Tiger was alone. and unfortunately i had no other units near the Tiger i could send to the battle. so it was a 3 vs 1 fight. anyway i think the Tiger should be able to deal alone with 3 T34s... I mean, we are talking about the TIGER you know anything about this tank? it was not a cheap and medium tank like the panther...it was more heavy and good armored... there were battle reports where 1 Tiger killed over 30 T34s in one battle!...russian crews feared this weapon like hell!

@Capt. Malashenko good you agree with me at this point. but why 3 PAKs if the Tiger could do the same job? i don't understand. its not the range im talking about its only the comparison of T34s gun vs Tiger's armor which seems a little bit unbalanced.

[xenotype]

/76s or /85s?  3 85s should handily beat a tiger.

[Capt. Malashenko]

Actually some Tiger company`s had 10:1 ratio of killed/lost tanks (or more), but for the sake of balance Tiger was made a joke in CoH.
Why?
It cost`s 900MP and many many command points to even reach the privilege to call it in,
If you want to have a Tiger on the battlefield you have to give a lot of resources and pop, 2 things witch could give you far more capable and resilient fighting force,
Not only it has the range of 40 (while the 88` has 100- even they used exacly the same gun in RL) but it`s damage is 137.5 (88 = 225)
If Tiger would at least have 190dmg (even with the range of 40) it could handle him self well, even against the hordes of PaK`s.

@Capt. Malashenko good you agree with me at this point. but why 3 PAKs if the Tiger could do the same job? i don't understand. its not the range im talking about its only the comparison of T34s gun vs Tiger's armor which seems a little bit unbalanced.

You ask why comrade crytek7? This is why:

T-34 hit points = 650
T-34 damage 76mm=87.5 / 85mm upgrade = 115 (as PaK)
T-34 range = 40
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Tiger hit points = 1064
Tiger damage = 137.5 ergo 4-5 shoot`s to kill T34 (if you`r lucky)
Tiger range = 40
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PaK38 hit points = 300 (not that it matters)
PaK38 50mm damage = 115, 115x3 = 345dmg > T-34 dead in seconds
PaK 38 50mm range = 60
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1 Tiger = 9 command points, 900MP, population 14
3 PaK`s = 0 Command points, 930MP, pop 9

damage by Tiger = 137.5
damage by 3 PaK`s 345 + 20 extra range on T-34

the comparison of T34s gun vs Tiger's armor is non-existent, couse upgraded T-34 is a mobile PaK.
As you see in every aspect it pays off to build PaK`s then Tiger`s and thats why I said Tiger became a joke in CoH? Psychological weapon? - hardly ...

[xenotype]

If the T34s have any infantry support the paks are all dead.  not the same with just a tiger.

[Capt. Malashenko]

Who said PaK`s were out of support? And honestly, I haven`t seen much people combine inf. with tanks, T34 is almost never supported with inf (unless you count tank riders-but that`s a doctrine and expensive one too).
It all about the gameplay, we all have our wimps....

[hgghg4]

If handled properly then the Tiger can kill those T-34 rather easily... particularly if you are good micro... just back up against a building or other non crushable object.... then just piss off the commanders while you bring up support...

[CommissarGears]

3 of any tank vs 1 of any other tank = Victory for 3 of any tank. 

OP 3 conscript squads just killed 1 Volks squad.  rage.

[hgghg4]

I have seen a Tiger take on 4 Shermans and win... granted an M10 came flying down while the Tiger was limping away and shot it in the ass....

[xenotype]

that had to be some hilariously bad micro, and a t34/85 is WAY better than an upgunned sherman

[Capt. Malashenko]

3 of any tank vs 1 of any other tank = Victory for 3 of any tank. 

Any one remember this one ?   
3 Hotchkiss vs IS 2 [nofollow]

[Venoxxis]

T-34 hit points = 650
T-34 damage 76mm=87.5 / 85mm upgrade = 115 (as PaK)
T-34 range = 40
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Tiger hit points = 1064
Tiger damage = 137.5 ergo 4-5 shoot`s to kill T34 (if you`r lucky)
Tiger range = 40
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PaK38 hit points = 300 (not that it matters)
PaK38 50mm damage = 115, 115x3 = 345dmg > T-34 dead in seconds
PaK 38 50mm range = 60
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1 Tiger = 9 command points, 900MP, population 14
3 PaK`s = 0 Command points, 930MP, pop 9

damage by Tiger = 137.5
damage by 3 PaK`s 345 + 20 extra range on T-34

the comparison of T34s gun vs Tiger's armor is non-existent, couse upgraded T-34 is a mobile PaK.
As you see in every aspect it pays off to build PaK`s then Tiger`s and thats why I said Tiger became a joke in CoH? Psychological weapon? - hardly ...

Hey where did you get this data from?
Because like that the T-34 seems pritty much op to me 

The IS-2 has surely compareably data like a tiger i guess.

Really show us where you got that mod-secific data from^^

[Capt. Malashenko]

The data is from Corsix Mod studio of the EF, T34 is not op at all since it`s 76mm gun can`t hit anything, only with 300MUN "/85" upgrade you get a chance to build a usable tank. By then Shrecks reek havoc on the field and T-34 quickly go to flames if not supported by some other unit.
IS-2 data is as follows:

IS-2 hit points = 1500
IS-2 damage   = 150
IS-2 range      = 40
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Tiger hit points = 1064
Tiger damage = 137.5
Tiger range = 40

Everyone will say OP, but IS-2 does NOT deflect shoots , so every PaK/75mm shoot is a full  dmg (even Hotchkiss beats the crap out of him)
Compared to a Tiger - it can kill him and that should be fixed by IMPROVING THE TIGER, Tiger 88mm dmg 137.5? I`m mean c`moon, PaK`s 50mm is 115 for crying out loud.