Mr. Scruff's Creations

[irik]

I really hope that the models will be somewhere safe if it isn't going to be featured. What do you guys think? PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS A THREAD ON THIS!!!!!!
PLease, Please vote!

[ford_prefect]

yes!

[Blackbishop]

yes!

Indeed... yes

[luz777]

Well the Elefant is most definately going to be included as its been in the Promo videos along with the Jagdtiger.

However theres abit of dispute over whether the latter should be included in the Ost, as it was primarily a Western Front unit.

I'd quite like to see it as a reward unit to replace the KT, and have the KT in the Ostheer somewhere perhaps.

But dont worry, you'll be able to play both of them if you really want 

[Paciat]

I voted for safely stored becouse I want
Elephant - Be featured in Ostheer
Jagdtiger - Be deleted and destroyed

I just dont want a Jagdtiger (same armor as KT/Jagdpanther, 2500-3000HP!) beceouse it will take 5 minutes to circlestrafe and kill it. A cheaper Elephant (1500-2000HP, Tiger I armor) is enough.

Playing Kursk without the Elephant(Ferdinand) will be wierd too.

Please show some pics of this Elephant. Pleaseee!

[Versedhorison]

Well the Elefant is most definately going to be included as its been in the Promo videos along with the Jagdtiger.

However theres abit of dispute over whether the latter should be included in the Ost, as it was primarily a Western Front unit.

I'd quite like to see it as a reward unit to replace the KT, and have the KT in the Ostheer somewhere perhaps.

But dont worry, you'll be able to play both of them if you really want 

+1

[ford_prefect]

I voted for safely stored becouse I want
Elephant - Be featured in Ostheer
Jagdtiger - Be deleted and destroyed

I just dont want a Jagdtiger (same armor as KT/Jagdpanther, 2500-3000HP!) beceouse it will take 5 minutes to circlestrafe and kill it. A cheaper Elephant (1500-2000HP, Tiger I armor) is enough.

Playing Kursk without the Elephant(Ferdinand) will be wierd too.

Please show some pics of this Elephant. Pleaseee!

Not all things should be in but I would like to see many of his things (not the erm...Jagtiger though)

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

Elefant/Ferdinand for sure. But why destroy the Jagdtiger? ET44 and other mods could certainly use it.

[Akalonor]

Question- Is Mr. Scruffs Stug IV going to be used for ostheer, cause I'm sick of the damn things used by Wehrmacht.

[Paciat]

Question- Is Mr. Scruffs Stug IV going to be used for ostheer, cause I'm sick of the damn things used by Wehrmacht.

So you want a stugIII?
German infantry belived that untill there is a stug on the field they can win a fight. Anyway, Gwagons are weak vs AT rifles so +1 for the early (mid game) stugIII.

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

Question- Is Mr. Scruffs Stug IV going to be used for ostheer, cause I'm sick of the damn things used by Wehrmacht.

Its not about what we are "sick" of. Do you want them to create new helmets because you are sick of the stahlhelm? Would you dare to suggest the Panzer IV to not be included? Don't forget, the "East Army" was still the Wehrmacht. It is correct to say the East Army fought with different weapons and tactics than the western German armies, due to the fact that they fought very different enemies, but let's not get out of hand here, this is still the Heer we are talking about.

That being said....it would be a crime not to add the StuG III, the most produced AFV of Nazi Germany, but why not keep the StuG IV(if only for aesthetic variety, the combat performance of the two vehicles was not much different) in a more minor role, to better represent its numberical contribution, perhaps as a call-in. (9500 Stug IIIs produced, 1100 Stug IVs produced)

[Paciat]

Question- Is Mr. Scruffs Stug IV going to be used for ostheer, cause I'm sick of the damn things used by Wehrmacht.

Its not about what we are "sick" of. Do you want them to create new helmets because you are sick of the stahlhelm? Would you dare to suggest the Panzer IV to not be included? Don't forget, the "East Army" was still the Wehrmacht. It is correct to say the East Army fought with different weapons and tactics than the western German armies, due to the fact that they fought very different enemies, but let's not get out of hand here, this is still the Heer we are talking about.

That being said....it would be a crime not to add the StuG III, the most produced AFV of Nazi Germany, but why not keep the StuG IV(if only for aesthetic variety, the combat performance of the two vehicles was not much different) in a more minor role, to better represent its numberical contribution, perhaps as a call-in. (9500 Stug IIIs produced, 1100 Stug IVs produced)

There were 11000 StugIII build. Youre probably talking about 7,5cm long barrel versions.

Anyway I "dare to suggest the Panzer IV to not be included".

PzIII (more armor and AT firepower than staghound/ostwind) StugIII and Tiger I will probably be in the Ostheer.
A quad halftrack can replace Armored cars and Ostwinds while JagdpanzerIV can be the late game tank destroyer.(doctrinal or not)

And thats it. All 5 armies have only 3 non doctrinal medium(or heavy) tanks/SP guns. There is no more room for more.

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

11000 chassis, yes, only 9500 StuG IIIs, the rest were StuH self-propelled howitzers.

Ok, the Panzer IV, the reason why Germany lasted as long as it did, not to be included? I find this an insult to the legacy of that tank. The Panzer III might seem exotic to you now that you've seen the relic Panzer IV for years but do not let that eclipse what is really important. The Panzer IV is absolutely necessary, who would even want to play an Ostheer without their most important tank.

[Akalonor]

No panzer IV's , Panzer III Flamethrower would be better.

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

Again, I find myself at a loss for words here. The Panzer II deserves representation, but not at the cost of the Panzer IV, and i'm going to stop there.